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[00:06] techwraith: For server side, look in server.js
[00:07] techwraith: for client side, look in scripts.js
[00:07] techwraith: Also, what browser are you working with?
[00:13] Jezek: me?
[00:13] techwraith: jezek yep
[00:13] Jezek: oh sorry i got it working, didnt know i needed a callback in the server code
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[00:18] techwraith: Yep :)
[00:18] techwraith: Glad to hear you got it working :)
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[00:22] eponym: I'm trying to follow along with this tutorial on couchdb and haml (http://www.robsearles.com/2010/05/28/nodejs-tutorial-with-couchdb-and-haml-erdnodeflips/) but I'm running into the same error as the last commenter: SyntaxError, unexpected token...fail.
[00:22] eponym: Does anyone know how I might fix it?
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[00:24] roberthahn: hey everybody!
[00:24] roberthahn: hi, pHcF, were you able to make progress since last night?
[00:25] pHcF: hey roberthahn!
[00:25] pHcF: yeah, i'm starting to get it working asynchronously
[00:25] pHcF: with events
[00:25] pHcF: :)
[00:26] pHcF: but it is not working properly yet
[00:26] roberthahn: that sounds interesting!  What's the context for your problem anyway? I'm having trouble imagining what async operation you'd want to do in a helper/view context…
[00:28] pHcF: roberthahn: a blog system with plugins
[00:28] hdon: how does tty.open() work? i want to do something like forkpty()
[00:28] pHcF: the async operations are for plugins :)
[00:28] pHcF: like to get twitter stuff
[00:28] pHcF: and performing http requests
[00:28] roberthahn: oic
[00:29] roberthahn: pHcF:  I think I'd still want to keep that in the controller logic, but i'd design my controllers such that they end up being wrapped in a larger function
[00:29] pHcF: roberthahn: hmm
[00:29] pHcF: yeah
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[00:30] roberthahn: that function would then call a before() method and an after() method, which could be the integration points for your plugin
[00:30] pHcF: i have an express helper that fires an event to perform async stuff
[00:30] roberthahn: *plugins
[00:30] pHcF: well, if you can write some code, send me a pull request on http://github.com/pedrofranceschi/blogoe
[00:30] pHcF: https://github.com/pedrofranceschi/Blogode
[00:31] roberthahn: second link works, thanks :)
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[00:32] roberthahn: when I work with mvc frameworks, I like to make my C as light as possible, but I also want it to be responsible for gathering together all the data I need in one place before passing it all into he V
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[00:39] roberthahn: pHcF:   how were you imagining people to add and configure plugins exactly?
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[00:41] pHcF: roberthahn: just a moment
[00:42] roberthahn: sure, pHcF 
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[00:53] isaacs: ryah: ping
[00:54] creationix: my msgpack implementation fails! http://pastie.org/1374780
[00:54] creationix: I wonder why it's so much slower, it's pretty simple code
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[00:58] Jeffrey_: I am creating a client in node.js using net.Stream. I have a problem though, the first time I call write() after a connect event, it actually sends the data(I get a drain event a instant later). The next time I call write() it doesn't write, and I have setNoDelay(). How can I force the sending of what I write()?
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[01:03] creationix: Jeffrey_: does it send eventually?
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[01:04] Jeffrey_: Well I have waited about 5 minutes and I still did not get a drain event or a message back from the server.
[01:04] creationix: not sure
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[01:11] mjr_: Jeffrey_: are you sure it is being read on the other end?  If the other end's TCP doesn't ACK, sending node might not be able to send.
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[01:13] Jeffrey_: mjr_: Well I don't think node.js is sending any of my data after the first write(), because I am required to respond to heartbeats the server sends out and I have a on('data') handler handling responding to the heartbeats and I never see a 'drain' event. The drain event is essentially saying that the entire write buffer is empty... Correct?
[01:14] mjr_: drain event means the socket is writeable again.
[01:14] mjr_: Which will only happen after the write queue has been sent.
[01:15] mjr_: The most common reason for this is that the remote end is not reading from its socket.
[01:16] mjr_: You could confirm this with tcpdump or whatever.
[01:16] Jeffrey_: Ok so technically I shouldn't see a drain event after every write(), but its weird because on('connect') I write() the login packet and it sends immediately and I get a drain event right after, and sure enough the next write()s do not emit a drain even... Yeah I am going to go try it out real quick.
[01:16] mjr_: oh, you don't get a drain event after EVERY write
[01:16] mjr_: Only after write returns false.
[01:17] Jeffrey_: Ok. Cool thanks I am going to try it out real quick....
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[01:27] shlainn: hi all
[01:28] shlainn: short question does node.js have a function similar to pack/unpack from PHP?
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[01:51] jashkenas: has anyone taken a look at the "Yacc is dead" paper? http://arxiv.org/pdf/1010.5023v1
[01:51] mscdex: shlainn: not yet, i've just been doing the bit shifting manually
[01:51] shlainn: mscdex: thx
[01:52] Wyverald: I think I bookmarked that about a week ago...
[01:52] jashkenas: Their speed results for hundreds of thousands of tokens sound sorta interesting, as does their general pragmatic approach.
[01:52] jashkenas: I was wondering if anyone has tried to port the Scala parser to JS yet...
[01:52] jashkenas: http://www.ucombinator.org/projects/parsing/Parser.scala
[01:53] jashkenas: lazy-computing suffixes, matching the possible parses, and picking the longest match.
[01:54] mscdex: what do i get for spotting a misspelling in that pdf?
[01:54] mscdex: :p
[01:55] jashkenas: I wish the code was commented ... I don't quite get what Eps vs. Emp vs. EqT classes are.
[01:56] ryah: apparently we're going to have a live feed from node camp all day tomorrow
[01:56] ryah: maybe even with a slide channel
[01:56] ryah: videos will also be up online (after a bit of postproduction) by the end of the week
[01:57] jashkenas: what time is the first talk going to be?
[01:57] ryah: 9am PST
[01:57] jashkenas: thanks.
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[02:08] cloudhead: is there a way to check if stdout is a file, or a tty?
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[02:14] Jezek: anyone know how to broadcast a message from socket.io to all the connected users
[02:14] mscdex: cloudhead: require('tty').isatty()
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[02:16] Jezek: i tried client.broadcast
[02:16] Jezek: nvm might have got it now
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[02:18] cloudhead: mscdex: thanks, that's what I was looking for
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[02:25] Jezek: socket.io is the worst application ever
[02:25] mikeal: ryah: just replied to your email
[02:25] ShiZWeaK: Jezek: why is that?
[02:27] Jezek: impossible to setup
[02:28] SubStack: ?
[02:28] SubStack: it's actually pretty easy now
[02:28] ShiZWeaK: exactly my thoughts, I think its great
[02:28] SubStack: you even get a default route for the client source
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[02:33] Jezek: maybe im missing something
[02:33] Jezek: trying to send a message to all connected users
[02:33] Jezek: http://pastebin.com/ZnZMEEkU
[02:34] Jezek: http://pastebin.com/a0PwG16u
[02:34] softdrink: if i have a rest api, and i request http://foo.com/project/abc  and project with id 'abc' does not exist, is it better to return a 404, null, error....?
[02:34] jashkenas: That's what 404 is for.
[02:37] softdrink: should i send back {error: 'not found'} or similar in the body of the response?
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[02:43] inimino: softdrink ⋱ An HTML response body is typical.
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[02:58] TheEmpath: im at a loss... exports in this module simply isn't working
[02:58] TheEmpath: https://gist.github.com/739946
[02:59] Jezek: nothing works
[03:00] whyme: TheEmpath: you can't use module.exports and exports in a same file
[03:00] whyme: pick one and stick to it
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[03:00] TheEmpath: aww damn it
[03:00] TheEmpath: i am
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[03:00] TheEmpath: thank you
[03:00] whyme: np
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[03:29] sgharms: we are studying node in san francisco
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[03:42] comster: ouu, I'm excited for some Node learning tomorrow... can't wait for any stream / vids to come my way.
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[03:48] mattcodes: is there a way to control the formatting/indentation of Jade (use with Express), so its prettified (not 1 big line)
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[04:08] AAA_awright: How many nested functions can everyone tolerate working with before they just think the programmer is just crazy?
[04:08] edwardchuajh: 3?
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[04:10] AAA_awright: At the very worst, I have a function factory defined inside a function inside a function inside a function/object
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[04:11] AAA_awright: ... nah that's not crazy, that's closures being awesome
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[04:22] joemccann: oi!
[04:23] joemccann: npm still hates me
[04:23] joemccann: can't ever seem to update on my linux box
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[04:24] Aria: Permissions?
[04:24] joemccann: Aria, no...npm telling me a file doesn't exist
[04:24] isaacs: joemccann: what's the issue?
[04:24] Aria: Which?
[04:24] joemccann: when attempting to run
[04:24] isaacs: 
ACTION heads for the log...

[04:25] joemccann: isaacs: https://gist.github.com/739998
[04:26] joemccann: isaacs: is there quick way to completely wipe npm?  
[04:26] ShiZWeaK: joemccann: OS?
[04:26] isaacs: joemccann: rm -rf /usr/local/lib/node/{.npm/,}npm*
[04:27] isaacs: joemccann: rm -rf {$(npm config get binroot),$(npm config get root)}/{.npm/,}npm*
[04:27] isaacs: more complete^
[04:27] isaacs: or just rm -rf /usr/local/{bin,lib/node}/{.npm/,}npm*
[04:28] joemccann: isaacs: cool thx...gonna try curling/install again
[04:28] isaacs: sure
[04:29] joemccann: isaacs: so using:  curl http://npmjs.org/install.sh | sh
[04:29] joemccann: isaacs: install 0.2.12-1
[04:29] joemccann: is the latest?
[04:30] isaacs: joemccann: yes
[04:30] joemccann: ok cool
[04:30] isaacs: yikes, 0.2.4-1
[04:30] isaacs: that's old
[04:31] isaacs: sorry, seems like some old version of npm was misbehaving.
[04:31] isaacs: that does happen less and less these days
[04:32] joemccann: so, wait 0.2.12-1 is NOT the latest?
[04:32] isaacs: it is
[04:32] isaacs: but hte problem was removing a file from 0.2.4-1
[04:32] isaacs: (in the gist)
[04:32] joemccann: right
[04:33] joemccann: isaacs:  -bash: /usr/bin/npm: No such file or directory
[04:33] isaacs: joemccann: whu?
[04:33] joemccann: yeah
[04:33] joemccann: wtf right
[04:33] isaacs: why is it looking for /usr/bin/npm?
[04:33] isaacs: ls -laF /usr/bin/npm
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[04:33] isaacs: maybe you installed it in /usr/bin once upon a time, and now it's the first thing found in your PATH?
[04:34] joemccann: isaacs: i think so bc now it is saying there's no such directory at '/usr/bin/npm'
[04:35] isaacs: ok
[04:35] isaacs: here, just for kicks, try this:  locate npm
[04:36] joemccann: locate: can not open `/var/lib/mlocate/mlocate.db': No such file or directory
[04:36] joemccann: which npm -> /usr/local/bin/npm
[04:36] joemccann: so it's looking in the wrong spot
[04:36] isaacs: wait, what's the "wrong spot"?
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[04:37] isaacs: (also, looks like you don't have locatedb setup on that machine.  no matter.)
[04:37] joemccann: isaacs: yeah i don't have it setup
[04:38] joemccann: isaacs: when i call "npm install connect" for example it is not looking in the right directory
[04:38] joemccann: for npm
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[04:38] isaacs: that's odd
[04:38] isaacs: what's npm config ls output?
[04:38] joemccann: can't do "npm config"
[04:38] joemccann: because 
[04:38] joemccann: npm is not there
[04:38] isaacs: please gist the whole output
[04:39] joemccann: -bash: /usr/bin/npm: No such file or directory
[04:39] isaacs: see, that's really odd
[04:39] isaacs: source your profile or log out and back it
[04:39] isaacs: *in
[04:39] Aria: hash -r
[04:39] isaacs: it's caching the `which` result.
[04:39] Aria: That clears the cache
[04:39] isaacs: or that
[04:39] isaacs: Aria: nice, i knew there was a command to do it, but cba to look it up
[04:40] isaacs: thanks
[04:40] joemccann: logged out and in
[04:40] joemccann: then which npm
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[05:01] CIA-18: node: 03Felix Geisendörfer 07master * re27418c 10/ (src/node.js test/simple/test-require-cache.js): (log message trimmed)
[05:01] CIA-18: node: Prefer require.cache over native module cache
[05:01] CIA-18: node: This patch changes node's module loading behavior so that the
[05:01] CIA-18: node: require.cache is always the first place to consider when loading a
[05:01] CIA-18: node: module.
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[05:02] CIA-18: node: 03isaacs 07master * r3d0627d 10/ doc/index.html : 
[05:02] CIA-18: node: link windows/cygwin build to the wiki docs
[05:02] CIA-18: node: Suggested by temp01 in IRC.
[05:02] CIA-18: node: http://irc.npmjs.org/node.js/2010-12-12#NODE-JS-2010-12-12T18-59-36-270Z
[05:02] CIA-18: node: 18:59:36 temp01: I feel like the build section on nodejs.org should link
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[05:02] chapel: isaacs << ircretary gave me my notes finally
[05:02] isaacs: chapel: hooray :)
[05:02] chapel: haha
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[05:04] micheil: fuck yeah that's awesome.
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[05:04] micheil: 
ACTION is going to be able to easily write a node library to control a phidget

[05:04] micheil: :D
[05:04] micheil: nothing like some hardware hacking with node.
[05:05] ShiZWeaK: micheil what is a phidget?
[05:05] ShinMei: How many opened connections can a HTTP server with NodeJS Handle ?
[05:05] micheil: it's sorta like an audrino
[05:05] micheil: ShinMei: heaps.
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[05:07] ShinMei: there is no operating system limitation (linux) about that ?
[05:08] ryah: ShinMei: there is a limit on ephemeral ports
[05:08] micheil: but really, when you start running out of ports, that's a barrier that any server will hit.
[05:08] ryah: ShinMei: 
[05:08] ryah: % cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_local_port_range 
[05:08] ryah: 32768	61000
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[05:09] micheil: ShiZWeaK: this is what I've got running on a phidget board: http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg610/scaled.php?tn=0&server=610&filename=z5sz.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640
[05:09] ShinMei: ok that mean there can be 61000 - 32768 simultaneous connexion ?
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[05:10] ShinMei: ok that mean there can be 61000 - 32768 simultaneous connections ?
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[05:10] ShiZWeaK: micheil: hah, cool - it goes red at 5PM?
[05:10] micheil: not quite
[05:10] micheil: goes red when a build fails
[05:10] ryah: ShinMei: yes
[05:11] ryah: ShinMei: per server
[05:11] ShinMei: thanks ryah and micheil !
[05:12] ShiZWeaK: micheil very cool
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[05:12] micheil: and, like, there are drivers for phidgets in heaps of languages, but not one for node, so I'm going to write that
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[05:15] creationix: 
ACTION misses dtrace

[05:15] creationix: how do you profile node programs on linux?
[05:15] halfhalo: 
ACTION gives creationix a cookie

[05:15] ryah: creationix: oprofile
[05:15] ryah: apparently
[05:15] creationix: 
ACTION rejects all third-party cookies

[05:15] creationix: ryah: hmm
[05:15] halfhalo: 
ACTION eats the cookie.  it was a chocolate chip one as well

[05:16] creationix: ryah: I can strace, but that doesn't tell me anything useful
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[05:16] ShiZWeaK: creationix: You can use node-inspector afaik
[05:16] creationix: ShiZWeaK: it supports v8 profiling?
[05:16] ShiZWeaK: https://github.com/dannycoates/node-inspector
[05:16] ShiZWeaK: Scroll down to Profiling
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[05:19] creationix: ShiZWeaK: oh well, only supported on node v0.3.1
[05:19] creationix: my code already runs a lot faster on 3, but I need to deploy it on 2
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[05:21] micheil: ryah: do we still need to use wscript for C addons to node?
[05:22] ryah: yes
[05:22] ShiZWeaK: creationix: shame, not sure what else is out there
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[05:22] micheil: ryah: okay. hmm, also, you'd probably like this C library I'm working with at the moment. It's all non-blocking.
[05:23] micheil: and it controls hardware.
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[05:27] chapel: I think it would be awesome to use node for a local server monitoring app, and have it on an embedded system on a nice screen somewhere in your office
[05:27] ryah: micheil: what's it called?
[05:28] micheil: ryah: phidgets
[05:28] micheil: 	CPhidget_set_OnAttach_Handler((CPhidgetHandle)ifKit, AttachHandler, NULL);
[05:28] micheil: is some of the stuff in it.
[05:28] Jezek: an anyone comment on the usablity of node.js for a real-time game application
[05:29] micheil: Jezek: can you explain exactly what you mean by that?
[05:30] Jezek: tl;dr: making a game in node.js. good idea or not?
[05:30] Aria: 'sure'
[05:30] ShiZWeaK: Jezek look at the node knockout apps
[05:30] Jezek: none of the urls work :/
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[05:31] creationix: hmm, the node-inspect profiler doesn't seem to work right
[05:31] Jezek: so ideally it could work though?
[05:31] creationix: reports everything as (program) and (gc)
[05:32] creationix: but nothing in my code
[05:32] Jezek: o
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[05:33] ShiZWeaK: Jezek it could, yes
[05:33] pquerna: Jezek: well, there are issues, like its hard to contorl the GC pauses
[05:33] Jezek: GC?
[05:34] pquerna: garbage collection
[05:34] mjr_: creationix: try running the profiler manually and make sure that the tick processor reports the same thing.
[05:34] Jezek: no idea
[05:34] mjr_: Then you'll know if it is a V8 profiler issue or node-inspector.
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[05:35] mjr_: Jezek: Chances are that future V8's will have multi-threaded garbage collection, or that they'll come up with some clever new way to minimize GC pauses.
[05:35] creationix: mjr_: yeah, that's too much work for tonight, I don't want to stay up late
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[05:36] mjr_: lack of good profiling is really bumming me out lately as well.
[05:36] mjr_: I'm hoping that someone will build the linux oprofile module for V8 and that'll reveal all.
[05:36] creationix: that would be nice
[05:37] ShiZWeaK: 
ACTION nods

[05:37] Jezek: ok but right now.. hypothetically speaking, say i made the app, and 1000 users used it, would node.js be a reliable system to run the game on? (in it's current state)
[05:37] creationix: I guess I could implement a stub Buffer api and profile in the browser
[05:37] creationix: this particular library is mostly portable
[05:37] creationix: and CPU bound
[05:37] mjr_: browser profiler has the same limitations.
[05:37] creationix: but I'm thinking the Buffer allocations are the meat of the problem
[05:37] creationix: it's twice as fast on 0.3.1
[05:38] mjr_: fastbuffers then, eh
[05:38] creationix: I guess I could use my own fastbuffer
[05:38] pquerna: Jezek: i think it would be a viable choice for the server side component of a 1000 player game.
[05:38] Jezek: ok
[05:38] creationix: they are implementable on 0.2.x as long as you don't mind a modified api
[05:38] pquerna: Jezek: it is still young, so you'll have to be willing to cut your teath though
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[05:38] Jezek: lol
[05:38] Jezek: will it work? or what do you mean?
[05:39] micheil: good damn. I need to get myself a phidgets board.. this thing is awesome.
[05:39] pquerna: i think it can work. I think it wouldn't be the best thing if you aren't willing to sometimes have to patch something in the core.
[05:39] pquerna: i'd say go for it, but anyways.
[05:39] Jezek: oh hrm
[05:39] mjr_: If you are willing to put some effort into it, the result would be awesome.
[05:39] pquerna: i'll stop being a negative nancy
[05:39] creationix: where was ryah's fastbuffer prototype from way back
[05:39] Jezek: lol i just want to get the facts straight before trying this out
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[05:40] Jezek: so you can give it to me straight
[05:40] mjr_: Node is still young.  It's got lots of rough edges.
[05:40] creationix: Jezek: some things are easier in node, some are harder
[05:40] Jezek: i see
[05:40] mjr_: Overall though: pretty badass
[05:40] pquerna: creationix: there is a old branch on github... but don't think that even maintained the 0.2 api
[05:40] creationix: it was just a buffer pool right?
[05:40] pquerna: well, there was the buffer pool thing
[05:40] pquerna: we did that first
[05:40] Jezek: i guess i'll try it out
[05:41] pquerna: but it didn't help much, maybe 15%
[05:41] creationix: pquerna: oh, it's different now
[05:41] mjr_: Is it bad if it is slower on 0.2?  Is that really a factor for anybody?
[05:41] pquerna: killing the C++ objects made the big difference
[05:41] Jezek: i want to try some kind of spy / espionage like game
[05:41] creationix: mjr_: since I'm hoping this library eventually makes it to core, then by definition, it won't work for 0.2.x
[05:42] creationix: mjr_: but I can use it today at work if it's fast for 0.2.x
[05:42] creationix: pquerna: yeah, when I said pool, I mean one large buffer that slices get taken from in pure-js
[05:43] creationix: I wish there was a fast resizable buffer object
[05:44] creationix: even if it's just a wrapper around several smaller buffers
[05:44] ryah: creationix: https://gist.github.com/541543
[05:45] creationix: ryah, yeah, that's the one
[05:45] creationix: the stuff in node_buffer.cc is only for API sugar, right?
[05:46] micheil: wow. this c api is so damn awesome :D
[05:46] SubStack: creationix: what do you need resizable buffers for?
[05:46] creationix: just easier to use
[05:47] creationix: I'm building a message a byte or chunk of bytes at a time
[05:47] creationix: but I don't know how long it will end up being
[05:47] SubStack: check this out: https://github.com/substack/node-binary 
[05:47] pquerna: buffer.resize does seem reasonable.
[05:47] pquerna: even if it might be expensive, we can optimzie later.
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[05:48] heckacopter1: this may be a horrible question, but how do i include an external js file in node.js without converting it into a module?  i swear i looked through the docs for this.
[05:48] creationix: pquerna: I want to be able to push and copy/write off the end of a buffer
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[05:49] creationix: heckacopter1: eval(fs.readFileSync(...))
[05:49] heckacopter1: creationix: thank you!  makes sense.
[05:49] SubStack: heckacopter1: http://nodejs.org/api.html#script-100
[05:49] creationix: or better, use the Script api and async file I/O
[05:49] creationix: but that's the idea
[05:49] heckacopter1: i'll check them out
[05:49] heckacopter1: thanks to all
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[05:50] SubStack: creationix: if you pass a stream to binary, it buffers your async actions until enough bytes are available
[05:50] creationix: so what is the fastest way to build out a protocol message a byte at a time?
[05:51] creationix: SubStack: how does it work internally?
[05:52] SubStack: creationix: it just has two buffers, a remainder and an active buffer
[05:52] SubStack: before I wrote bufferlist which had a linked list of buffers but I found that it wasn't necessary
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[05:54] creationix: SubStack: hmm, yeah, a linked list seem overkill
[05:54] SubStack: creationix: and then when buffers come in as 'data' events the module sees if it can execute any actions
[05:54] creationix: but I don't want to have to copy stuff around
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[05:54] pquerna: hmm, wasn't the last tick time on process. somewhere?
[05:54] creationix: pquerna: if it was, I've never seen it
[05:55] creationix: but I haven't use 0.3.x much
[05:55] ryah: 
ACTION got oprofile working :)

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[05:55] creationix: ryah: really? do tell
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[05:57] unlink: There seems to be a race condition with the 'data' request event. That is, if the handler is set up too late, the request data will be missed.
[05:57] SubStack: unlink: events aren't buffered
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[05:58] Aria: Hehe. That surprised me at first, too. I was thinking threaded. But until you're done setting up, the event loop doesn't run.
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[06:04] unlink: Right.
[06:04] SubStack: weee my socks5 server and client code nearly works
[06:04] ShiZWeaK: nearly? :)
[06:05] SubStack: well, I have the test written mostly
[06:05] SubStack: and most of the code is in place
[06:05] mjr_: I can't believe that socks5 is still a thing
[06:06] SubStack: useful for this particular browserling feature
[06:06] mjr_: I sat next to the guy who wrote the previous socks version at NEC, and I figured socks would die completely once stateful packet inspection got fast enough.
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[06:06] mjr_: And SPI *is* fast enough, and yet socks5 is still in use.
[06:06] mjr_: 
ACTION boggles

[06:07] SubStack: mjr_: it's a lot more work to configure some network device or local service
[06:07] SubStack: than to just update browser config
[06:08] mjr_: for one-off, sure.  But how many people ever change that config?
[06:08] mjr_: Anyway, clearly is has a purpose, or it would have died.
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[06:08] mjr_: Hard to predict the future is all I'm saying.
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[06:14] Zem: hello
[06:15] creationix: hmm, setting a buffer's length longer than it's actual length really breaks things
[06:15] ryah: http://wiki.ecmascript.org/doku.php?id=strawman:i18n_api
[06:15] ryah: ^-- new in v8
[06:15] Zem: has anyone here done ajax over https?
[06:15] Zem: with node.js, of course
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[06:16] mjr_: ryah: how do you get an i18n object?  It's in the global scope?
[06:17] ryah: mjr_: looks like you have to enable it specially with scons
[06:17] ryah: when buildin
[06:17] mjr_: oh, OK.  I wasn't finding any of those objects mentioned in my latest node build.
[06:17] mjr_: Looks cool though
[06:17] ryah: (or not...)
[06:17] Zem: i have a little webchat ajax app, which works fine over plain http.  when i setSecure() and run it over https, however, the ajax requests take literally minutes to resolve
[06:18] CIA-18: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r1d78159 10/ (98 files in 19 dirs): Upgrade V8 to 3.0.1 - http://bit.ly/eyeyze
[06:18] Zem: i'm doing a 100ms timer on the clientside to work around the IE issue that it only has 2 XHRs available per site
[06:18] CIA-18: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r7d73779 10/ (deps/v8/SConstruct wscript): Make oprofile work - http://bit.ly/eWJ2Lj
[06:18] ryah: Zem: https is broken
[06:18] CIA-18: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r1dad95a 10/ Makefile : Print 'make clean' commands - http://bit.ly/dGOxXs
[06:18] Zem: ryah: oh, in node.js?
[06:18] Zem: that would explain it i guess
[06:18] ryah: Zem: yes
[06:18] pquerna: ryah: cute, but the message formating stuff really seems overkill.. bleh
[06:18] creationix: if node's Buffer(array) constructor fast or just API sugar
[06:19] Zem: ryah: do you know what the deal is, or a timeline on getting it fixed?
[06:19] Zem: i've been searching the web all over and i can't find info on it
[06:19] ryah: Zem: working on it. probably by january it will be usable
[06:19] pquerna: Zem: use stunnel for now
[06:20] mjr_: pquerna: BTW, that stunnel patch you sent me ends up only applying the forwarded-for to the first request if that connection is kept alive.
[06:20] mjr_: Which makes sense, but was surprising to me.
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[06:21] creationix: hmm, making binary protocols fast is hard...
[06:22] Aria: Sometimes. 
[06:22] creationix: so, assuming I have a callback that will be called n times (with either an integer byte value or string/buffer values)...
[06:22] creationix: how do I store the results of all those callbacks into a buffer effeciently
[06:22] creationix: pushing to an array and then calling new Buffer(array) works ok, but that seems like a lot of extra copying
[06:22] Aria: Keep a bigger buffer, and allocate another bigger one and copy if you really need to. Then just write and keep a counter.
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[06:23] pquerna: mjr_: ah good point
[06:23] creationix: Aria: so double in size or something as it fills up?
[06:23] mscdex: ryah: what do you think about having the node api in a descriptive json format? the docs could then be generated using this data
[06:23] Aria: That's reasonable.
[06:23] creationix: mscdex: json for docs?
[06:23] SubStack: creationix: I wrote a node-put to do that
[06:23] mscdex: creationix: yeah
[06:23] Aria: Or add 128K, or something like that.
[06:23] creationix: mscdex: I would think markdown much easier
[06:24] SubStack: it buffers all the results until you call buffer() when it actually builds the buffer
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[06:24] Aria: The exact pattern might depend on your app. (Doubling is bad if you go from 2 to 4gb, perhaps!)
[06:24] mscdex: creationix: the problem though is the markdown isn't easily parseable and is missing information still
[06:24] SubStack: 
ACTION has done a crazy amount of binary data mangling in node

[06:24] creationix: mscdex: textile is extensable
[06:25] creationix: SubStack: what do you know, VM's don't have any binary, it's all text-based xml
[06:25] creationix: :P
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[06:25] Zem: well, thank you for the info, ryah :)
[06:26] SubStack: creationix: well there are all these binary protocols to get data in and out of them
[06:26] mscdex: creationix: not as easy as if it were in json imho
[06:26] creationix: mscdex: sure, parsing is easier, but what human wants to write docs in json?
[06:26] creationix: newlines aren't even allowed in text
[06:26] mscdex: huh?
[06:26] mscdex: \n ?
[06:27] creationix: mscdex: exactely, it has to be escaped
[06:27] mscdex: that's not really a problem
[06:28] creationix: mscdex: writing multi-line text in json/js is the reason things like jsonml exist
[06:28] creationix: people don't like having to escape white space
[06:28] creationix: anyway, we could probably parse the markdown to generate json
[06:28] creationix: and then use that json to power everything
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[06:30] mscdex: you're not escaping white space, just newlines
[06:31] mscdex: i dunno, i had a hard time reliably parsing the current docs
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[06:33] creationix: yeah, markdown is ill defined
[06:33] creationix: regexps and all
[06:33] creationix: 
ACTION is implementing a growing buffer

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[06:35] mscdex: it's not so much a problem parsing the structure, but parsing the content for things like return values, data types, etc
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[06:45] jdalton: hiya, any way to access something like chrome's high res timer (chrome.Interval) (microseconds)
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[06:47] mjr_: jdalton: I didn't know that Chrome had a sub-ms timer.
[06:47] mjr_: There have been lots of proposals to add hi-res timers to node, and I think they always end up being slower than Date.now()
[06:47] jdalton: yep
[06:47] jdalton: yuck
[06:48] mjr_: And then I think people stop asking for them.
[06:48] jdalton: so like ringoJS (and others based on java can access a nanosecond timer)
[06:48] mjr_: But I can't remember.  I know I'd like them as well, so I always take notice when someone else starts that thread on the list.
[06:48] jdalton: cool
[06:48] jdalton: to enable benchmarking in at least Chrome 7 -> --enable-benchmarking flag
[06:49] jdalton: then you will have access to chrome.Interval
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[06:49] mjr_: I think it's just hard to beat V8 at making a timestamp.
[06:49] ryah: mscdex: i like markdown
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[06:50] sechrist: http://techspot.zzzeek.org/files/2010/sqla_070b1_large.png
[06:50] sechrist: I want one of these for v8 :]
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[06:50] jdalton: mjr_: http://codereview.chromium.org/3126029/patch/24001/3004
[06:50] jdalton: its just that timestamps only go to 1ms
[06:51] jdalton: so for greater precision u would need the high res timer
[06:51] mjr_: I wonder why they need to patch V8.
[06:51] mjr_: Like, why wouldn't V8 just include that?
[06:51] Jezek: hrm
[06:52] jdalton: it used to be a chromium thang
[06:52] jdalton: then they exposed it to chrome
[06:52] Jezek: i wish any of that code made sense to me
[06:52] jdalton: ok so another queston -> what do yall use to parse the node.js docs (it looks like githubs md render and I like it)
[06:53] creationix: wohoo, got my msgpack serializer only 110%  as slow as the strtok based one
[06:54] creationix: still about twice as slow as JSON.stringify though
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[06:55] creationix: jdalton: possibly showdown, I don't remember what we decided on
[06:55] creationix: a quick peek in the make file should tell you though
[06:55] sechrist: creationix: I do binary marshalling with one of substack's modules.. can these be made more efficient? https://github.com/substack/node-bufferlist/blob/master/lib/binary.js#L406-439
[06:55] creationix: sechrist: not sure
[06:56] creationix: I'm still amazed at the things that don't hurt performance and the things that do
[06:56] Aria: Me too.
[06:56] sechrist: Are you doing cstructs in a cpp or are you marshalling in js?
[06:56] creationix: I'm using pure js
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[06:56] creationix: trying to avoid the C++ <-> JS bridge
[06:56] creationix: though msgpack is highly optimized for c
[06:56] sechrist: Did the new JIT give any real performance gains?
[06:56] SubStack: sechrist: I would guess that Math.pow could probably best be done with some bitshifting
[06:57] SubStack: but << behaves really strangely so I haven't bothered yet
[06:57] jdalton: creationix: thanx found it
[06:57] creationix: try converting a number into the proper 8 integers that are the IEE double
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[06:57] SubStack: oh I could *= 256
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[06:57] sechrist: must bench
[06:57] creationix: SubStack: << >>, and especially >>> are awesome when they fit your case
[06:57] creationix: but, yes, they typecast stuff
[06:58] creationix: and limit the size of the number too
[06:58] SubStack: sechrist: more benchmarks for perf/ would be highly excellent
[06:58] creationix: considering I haven't been able to beat pgreis's strtok library, I hereby deem is awesome code
[06:59] creationix: still, I hope we can do better in pure js
[07:00] sechrist: this just in
[07:00] sechrist: v8 faster than c++
[07:00] sechrist: sound the alarms
[07:00] mjr_: I think we can once we can speed up the JS access to buffers.
[07:01] creationix: mjr_: I think since most binary protocols need things like UINT32_LE and DOUBLE, node could help a lot by implementing those in C and exposing them in a fast way
[07:01] creationix: probably as methods to buffers
[07:03] jdalton: speaking of benchmarks...
[07:03] creationix: Buffer.prototype.writeUint32LE(num, offset) Buffer.prototype.readUint32LE(offset)
[07:03] creationix: etc...
[07:03] jdalton: bout to add Node.js, RingoJS, Narwhal, and Rhino support to benchmark.js (powers jsperf)
[07:03] sechrist: wow storage wars is pretty interesting
[07:03] sechrist: I need to stop programming and get into this
[07:04] Jezek: what?
[07:04] sechrist: when people default on their storage units
[07:04] mscdex: little endian!
[07:04] mscdex: 
ACTION shakes a fist

[07:04] sechrist: they get auctioned off
[07:04] Jezek: lol
[07:04] sechrist: and people buy them and sell the stuff
[07:04] Jezek: nice
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[07:05] pquerna: so like how many terabytes on average?
[07:05] pquerna: i've always wanted a 40u tape transfer robot thing in my cloest
[07:06] mjr_: pquerna: you are hilarious
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[07:07] mjr_: also, in 10 years, that storage robot will be in someone's defaulted storage unit, so it'll come full circle.
[07:07] sechrist: hahaha
[07:09] creationix: Again, I come back to this proposal https://cvs.khronos.org/svn/repos/registry/trunk/public/webgl/doc/spec/TypedArray-spec.html
[07:09] creationix: especially the last part
[07:09] creationix: not so much interested in arrays of uniform data types
[07:09] creationix: look for DataView
[07:09] sechrist: Anybody in here use fisheye?
[07:09] Jezek: nope
[07:09] pquerna: mjr_: when your startup spends a million bucks on stupid backup systems.. well it s good sign its not a startup anymore and its time to run away
[07:10] sechrist: because companies that aren't startups are bad
[07:10] creationix: sechrist: we use jira at work
[07:10] creationix: but I haven't tried fisheye yet
[07:10] sechrist: we use jira and we're looking into fisheye
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[07:10] sechrist: we have git hooks and stuff for it
[07:11] creationix: I should get sleep, I have to catch the 6:55am train to SF
[07:11] sechrist: milllbraeeee
[07:12] creationix: 
ACTION lives way down in Sunnyvale

[07:12] sechrist: oh pssh I live in downtown SJ and work in SC
[07:12] sechrist: I hardly ever go up to sf
[07:13] sechrist: moar south bay node events plz
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[07:13] creationix: lol, fine with me
[07:13] creationix: but not tonight
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[07:13] creationix: 'gnight everyone
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[07:13] jameshome: Knox
[07:13] jameshome: "release 0.0.1"
[07:13] jameshome: that's ready for production, right?
[07:14] jameshome: great. thanks guys!
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[07:16] mjr_: Man, 8AM is going to come around early tomorrow, I can tell already.
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[07:21] mscdex: hmm, is 'drain' ever emitted for a fs.writestream?
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[07:22] mscdex: looking at the code it doesn't seem like it ever is unless someone explicitly calls .flush() and the write queue is empty
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[07:31] SubStack: I hate how hard it is to kill servers
[07:31] SubStack: server.justFuckingDieAlready()
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[07:31] SubStack: I don't care if there are outstanding connections, kill them
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[07:43] AAA_awright: SubStack: Or zombie processes
[07:44] AAA_awright: (I love that name, who came up with that)
[07:44] AAA_awright: Say, why not write a build system with semantic markups and Javascript?
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[07:50] jonaslund: the only buildsystem i use is a glorified concat tool in an ant script (to run automatically inside eclipse)
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[07:52] pquerna: AAA_awright: and you thought bikeshed colors were painful
[07:53] AAA_awright: pquerna: ... are build systems that bad?
[07:53] pquerna: AAA_awright: a quagmire
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[07:54] AAA_awright: I don't want to tell my build system how to compile things, I want to tell it what each file does and let it figure out how to compile the stuff
[07:55] AAA_awright: There's nothing that does that?
[07:55] SubStack: I like how I don't need to build stuff very often
[07:56] AAA_awright: "This is documentation (so that will install with the man pages), this is compiled into a binary, this is compiled into a library, this is supposed to be dymanically linked..." etc
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[07:57] AAA_awright: Scan the file to see what dependencies it needs, and generate a ./configure script that searches for them or just straight compile the thing, or generate a package after that, etc
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[07:57] jonaslund: you can do that with a ant script i think
[07:58] jonaslund: anyhow
[07:58] pquerna: so, how do you know when a client has disconnected in http req/response? response.writable?
[07:58] jonaslund: i do 2 things
[07:58] jonaslund: i make a big script file for the web side of things (the concat stuff)
[07:58] jonaslund: but the server-side is all js right now
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[07:58] jonaslund: though, being able to update with a batch update (zip?) could be a nice feature in the future if you had many servers
[07:59] jonaslund: but that's a long way off :)
[08:00] pquerna: because writable never seems to change, and I can't find any event I can listen to
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[08:03] pquerna: response.connection.writable seems accurate if evil.
[08:04] jonaslund: why evil ?
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[08:04] pquerna: well, reaching into the insides of an object with a TODO to remove it
[08:04] pquerna: feels evil
[08:05] jonaslund: true
[08:05] pquerna: like an api that will break :)
[08:05] jonaslund: like the "binary" encoding of buffers
[08:06] jonaslund: (yes there are points to both sides about the usability of that :))
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[08:06] jonaslund: nah
[08:06] jonaslund: off to work
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[08:56] mscdex: pquerna: what about the 'end' event for request.connection ?
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[09:03] jacoblyles: what's the best way to upgrade my version of node form 0.2.4 to 0.2.5? Do I just delete the binary and remake and install?
[09:04] chapel: just make/make install the new version
[09:04] chapel: it will replace it
[09:05] jacoblyles: cool, thanks
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[09:26] eponym: I'm trying to get started using node-router, but the example is too bare bones. Does anyone know of a fleshy project which is using it that I could take a look at?
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[09:27] chapel: what are you wanting to make?
[09:28] Jezek: nope
[09:32] eponym: Once I have server.get("/", function (req, res, match) { }); I'm not sure how to write out anything. I can return a string, and that gets written out with a header, but res.write doesn't work and I can't figure out how to use simpleJson or simpleHtml or anything else
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[09:34] spetrea_: can I write oneliners in node.js ?
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[09:35] spetrea_: like I do with    perl -ne ".." or    perl -e "..."
[09:35] spetrea_: I'd like to be able to do that
[09:38] foxulet: Hello guys, I wrote a simple implementation of Firebug's Wildfire protocol for node.js If anyone has time for some little feedback, here's the code https://github.com/foxulet/fireNode
[09:41] eponym: doh. I was forgetting that my database query was non-blocking. facepalm.
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[10:30] lorinc: Hi! With mongoose, how can I work on collections? In their docs, they don't mention a word about collections...
[10:31] lorinc: Or, what other Node.js driver would you recommend for MongoDB?
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[10:42] rauchg_: lorinc: 
[10:43] rauchg_: a model equals a collection
[10:43] naneau: lorinc: just use the mongodb-native driver
[10:43] rauchg_: so for example
[10:43] naneau: mongoose does a lot of magic, that you may or may not want/like
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[10:43] rauchg_: mongoose.model('Test') => equals collection tests 
[10:43] rauchg_: naneau: it doesn't really do any magic beyond getters/setters and casting 
[10:44] naneau: too much for my liking ;)
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[10:44] naneau: but I like working close to mongo, that's a personal thing
[10:44] naneau: it may be very suited for you lorinc
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[10:49] lorinc: thanks naneau , am digging into it :D
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[10:53] mbrochh: damnit a few days ago i found a repo on github for tokenizing sentences and detecting the sentence's langauge... I can't find it any more. Anybody knows about it?
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[11:05] mscdex: saschagehlich: pong
[11:05] saschagehlich: mscdex: ah, cool :) did you read my message yesterday?
[11:05] mscdex: saschagehlich: didn't see it
[11:06] saschagehlich: mscdex: I'm writing my own node-mailer now and I'm still having problems with the encoding. the best encoding would be ISO-8859-15 right?
[11:07] mscdex: i suppose so
[11:07] mscdex: it's good to have options though
[11:10] saschagehlich: mscdex: well yea, but what shall I use to convert to the charset? iconv?
[11:10] mscdex: that'd probably a good way to go
[11:10] saschagehlich: I tried iconv.toCharset(charset) but everything that comes out is crap
[11:13] ruxkor_: @saschagehlich I discovered that if I don't tell iconv from which charset I am converting, he does something stupid sometimes (such as producing garbled text)
[11:14] ruxkor_: I have never used the JS bindings for it, but I suppose it should be possible to define there the initial charset too
[11:14] saschagehlich: ruxkor_: well looks like I can set it in the constructor... give me a sec
[11:15] mscdex: yeah i was about to say that
[11:15] mscdex: the constructor takes in the source and destination charsets
[11:15] mscdex: i've never used the iconv binding yet though
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[11:21] lorinc: naneau: And don't you find the long list of nested callbacks disturbing some times?
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[11:22] lorinc: rauchg_: And how can I use the usual functions on models? I defined a User model which was in the example, and User.count() is undefined....
[11:22] saschagehlich: This one looks like a good ISO-8859-15 quoted printable, right? https://gist.github.com/66e62bc5f7872e739cf6
[11:23] rauchg_: db.model('User').count() should be defined 
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[11:28] naneau: lorinc: I abstrahise the first couple away
[11:28] saschagehlich: mscdex: hm okay, setting the charset to UTF-8 and sending the data without any encoding works fine
[11:28] mscdex: saschagehlich: cool
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[12:20] foxulet: \clear
[12:20] foxulet: :)
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[12:28] Floxxx: anyone here ever run into "invalid_lhs_in_assignment" when using node-mongodb-native?
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[12:30] Rv: hi
[12:30] Floxxx: nvm, programmer error ><
[12:30] Rv: any channel for express.js on freenode?
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[12:38] mscdex: Rv: not that i'm aware of, i think most people ask around in here
[12:39] Rv: ok thanks
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[12:40] Rv: i try to use app.error function to catch instance of NotFound exception but the function in body of app.error never firesup even if exception was throw
[12:41] Rv: any suggestion :) ?
[12:41] Rv: of course i use express.js
[12:42] foxulet: Hi guys, anyone around using firePhp, I wrote a little clone for a project of mine, feedback appreciated (https://github.com/foxulet/fireNode)
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[12:57] stagas: foxulet: cool, I don't like the all caps methods though
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[12:57] chapel: Rv: is NotFound defined?
[12:57] Rv: yes
[12:57] Rv: body of NotFoun function is executed but body of app.error no
[12:58] chapel: http://expressjs.com/guide.html#Error-Handling
[12:58] Rv: i read this
[12:59] stagas: foxulet: maybe alias them like exports.LOG = exports.log = funct... ?
[13:00] chapel: did you use the part under that about app.error()?
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[13:01] Rv: chapel, When an exception occurs body of app.error shoul be executed if i understand correctly?
[13:01] chapel: well, yeah, it should handle all errors by default
[13:02] Rv: but it does not
[13:03] Rv: mayby some app.use definition is required?
[13:03] chapel: mind sharing code?
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[13:05] Floxxx: good luck and have fun all attending node camp!
[13:05] Rv: chapel, http://pastie.org/1375953
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[13:09] chapel: Rv: there are two app.error calls there
[13:09] chapel: on the example
[13:09] chapel: you are only using one
[13:11] Rv: chapel, yeah but in the example one checks if error is instance of NotFound and the second one should handle all errors
[13:12] chapel: well yeah, I would assume so, but best to test the code as given, and edit from there, at least thats what I do
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[13:14] Rv: chapel, even when i add first one app.error body of function does not execute
[13:15] chapel: well, I dont know if it matters, app.configure should be up top, though again I dont know if it matters
[13:15] chapel: I am not an expert in express, learning myself
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[13:16] Rv: isee thanks anyway
[13:17] prinzdezibel: Hi! I try to familarize with event driven concepts. What does non-blocking mean in this concrete context: A node.js web server that reads a file asynchronous from disk and returns the file's  content as response. My problem: The file is read asynchronous, but the server needs to wait anyway until it can ship the result, right?!
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[13:19] chapel: well, non-blocking means, if you have other requests come in, they can be handled while the process of getting the file to display to the first request
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[13:19] chapel: or if you have other parts of your app
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[13:20] prinzdezibel: chapel: Other frameworks do serve multiple requests as well, but probably not in the same os thread, right?!
[13:20] chapel: where as if it were blocking, no response could come in until the first response was handled
[13:21] chapel: php/apache for example opens new threads for different connections
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[13:21] prinzdezibel: ok
[13:21] prinzdezibel: yes
[13:21] Floxxx: hmm, does anyone know if there's a maximum run time for a http.createServer request? i'm trying to insert a large number of records in mongodb but at some point it stops inserting
[13:23] prinzdezibel: chapel: Could you give me a (un-)biased view between narwhale and node? Ok, maybe the (un-) prefix is asked a liitle bit much :)
[13:23] broofa: Am I missing something or does http://camp.nodejs.org not say where the camp is actually being held?
[13:23] chapel: well I know nothing about narwhale
[13:23] chapel: broofa: it is a secret
[13:23] chapel: if you dont know, then you aren't invited
[13:24] broofa: chapel: apparently.  Anyone know?
[13:24] chapel: :P
[13:24] chapel: idk
[13:24] broofa: Ah, found it.  Mission Bay conference Center at UCSF: http://campnodejssf.eventbrite.com/?ref=ebtn
[13:24] chapel: prinzdezibel: if you are comparing for research into what to use, well all I can say is node has a nice growing and helpful community
[13:25] chapel: and my views are very biased at this point :P
[13:25] prinzdezibel: sure
[13:25] prinzdezibel: but I think there must be a reason for both projects to exist side-by-side
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[13:26] chapel: don't doubt it, but I know nothing of narwhale so I cant speak of it
[13:26] prinzdezibel: thx
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[13:29] chapel: prinzdezibel: just looking at narwhal, it looks a lot like if you use js instead of ror in rails
[13:29] chapel: s/rails/ror
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[13:33] prinzdezibel: I've seen some node.js examples and naturally they are dealing with  (real-time) data processing like streaming, chat, etc. rather than business logic that deals with databases etc.  Is node.js suited for this kind of applications ? 
[13:35] iszak: it's suited for both.
[13:35] prinzdezibel: are there db-agnostic database adapters?
[13:35] chapel: it is suited for whatever you want to make with it
[13:35] iszak: prinzdezibel, there are some, but not baked into node itself.
[13:35] prinzdezibel: ok
[13:35] chapel: dont think of node.js as a web server engine or something, think of it as javascript on the server
[13:35] prinzdezibel: the modules, I assume
[13:35] iszak: mysql is definitely out there.
[13:36] iszak: yes
[13:36] chapel: node is really low level
[13:36] iszak: prinzdezibel, plus node.js is blazing fast.
[13:36] chapel: compared to ror or django
[13:36] chapel: instead of running a server, you make the server :P
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[13:37] chapel: but yeah, node.js is fast
[13:37] iszak: you can cut out the middle man (apache/nginx/lighttpd too)
[13:37] iszak: the thing I love about node.js is that it's performance basically backed by Google.
[13:37] chapel: though, I may use nginx for static files
[13:37] iszak: I would too.
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[13:38] iszak: when's node.js 0.3.2 coming out?
[13:38] chapel: idk
[13:38] chapel: Im running master
[13:38] iszak: god I can't wait for new versions.
[13:38] chapel: works well for me :)
[13:38] iszak: people and their "0.3.x" is unstable.
[13:39] chapel: haha
[13:39] chapel: yeah I haven't had issues
[13:39] chapel: then again I dont do anything crazy
[13:39] iszak: neither, I mean obv. the API may change.
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[13:40] chapel: I think some of peoples issues are with the api changes, not that they dont like them, just that their current apps are built on stable, and so those changes cause issues, stability issues :P
[13:41] iszak: yeah, definitely.
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[13:47] prinzdezibel: iszak: What do you mean when you say "it's performance basically backed by Google."
[13:47] prinzdezibel: ?
[13:48] iszak: well it's based ontop of v8 which is part of google chrome, and like hell Google will let their JS engine become slow.
[13:49] prinzdezibel: I see
[13:49] iszak: prinzdezibel, http://arewefastyet.com/ (slightly outdated however)
[13:49] iszak: and with the addition of crankshaft it'll only get better.
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[14:03] mscdex: node.js rules!
[14:03] sveisvei: 4 evah!
[14:03] mraleph: iszak: http://arewefastyet.com/awfy2.php?machine=9 <- this is up to date ia32 measurements.
[14:04] mscdex: flot!
[14:04] iszak: oh goodie
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[14:04] iszak: where'd you get that
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[14:04] mraleph: I was just stalking on some Mozilla forum :-)
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[14:05] mraleph: ninja style 
[14:05] iszak: so as we can see 2/3 V8 is best
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[14:05] iszak: but obv. they optimize for their bench
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[14:06] mraleph: 
ACTION sighs.

[14:06] iszak: clearly it's old anyway, not using r6011 ;)
[14:07] mraleph: I do not want to start bench wars but V8 Benchmark Suite tries to be representative. 
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[14:07] iszak: that means little to me.
[14:07] chapel: heh
[14:07] chapel: benchmarks mean nothing
[14:07] iszak: yes, I knew that.
[14:07] chapel: in the browser space, chrome is fast, ff4 is pretty fast
[14:07] iszak: because they don't reflect real world performance.
[14:08] chapel: I use chrome for its simplicity, and google like features
[14:08] iszak: it's like benchmarking a "hello world app" vs a real application.
[14:08] chapel: I use node because of node, not so much v8
[14:08] mraleph: but at least they can cover most important areas: regexp, memory management, prototype based OO, number crunching 
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[14:12] spetrea_: sriley_: thanks
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[14:24] pHcF: can someone please help me overriding res.render of express?
[14:25] Rv: how to get request url in express.js :) ?\
[14:25] Rv: requested
[14:25] pHcF: hmm
[14:25] pHcF: req.something :P
[14:26] Rv: yeap but what :)
[14:26] pHcF: sys.inspect(req);
[14:26] Rv: ok thanks
[14:26] pHcF: sys.puts(sys.inspect(req));
[14:27] Rv: im looking for inspect like in ruby :)
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[14:32] prinzdezibel: Is there a chance to integrate node.js somehow with an existing wsgi application?
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[14:37] ryah: prinzdezibel: the webserver in front of the wsgi app can route some paths to node
[14:37] prinzdezibel: No, they'd suppose to work with each other. Like a post-processing of the response with node.js
[14:38] prinzdezibel: I'd like to put node.js in the wsgi pipeline
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[14:39] fla__: Hi
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[14:39] fla__: How can I link a library with node-waf ?
[14:39] ryah: prinzdezibel: well - you could theoretically have node in front of the wsgi app - but there's no parser/server for wsgi atm
[14:39] augustl: looking for recommendations to a node lib that lets me serve static files with HTTP. Don't need directory listing, auto-resolving index.html and so on.
[14:40] ryah: fla__: try this https://github.com/mranney/node_pcap/blob/c5b355afaa0c011d80af441cfcf8dcc2984355ef/wscript#L11
[14:40] fla__: looking for help with module linking, got error ->  "undefined symbol: _ZTVN5noise6module6PerlinE"
[14:40] fla__: thx ryah 
[14:41] ryah: augustl: connect can do that
[14:41] augustl: ryah: looking it up, tnx
[14:41] prinzdezibel: ryah: I'm looking for kind of what Aptana's Jaxer used to do. 
[14:42] prinzdezibel: but that seems dead.
[14:42] fla__: ryah, was missing obj.linkflags = ['-lnoise']. Thanks alot !
[14:42] Floxxx: ryah: aren't you supposed to get ready for camp? ;)
[14:42] ryah: Floxxx: just about to head down there :)
[14:42] Floxxx: hehe
[14:42] Floxxx: good luck
[14:42] Floxxx: i'll be watching the stream
[14:43] chapel: is there gonna be streaming coverage?
[14:43] chapel: :P
[14:43] Floxxx: check camp.nodejs.org
[14:43] shripadk: has it started already? ustream shows offline...
[14:43] Floxxx: there's a link in the joyent twitter post on the left
[14:43] Floxxx: shripadk: 9am PST
[14:43] shripadk: cool :)
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[14:55] ryah: we'll also be posting better videos soon after
[14:55] ryah: (in case the livestream isn't so good)
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[15:23] Sbioko: Hi
[15:24] Sbioko: I'm using Node.js in a mix with Socket.io now
[15:24] Sbioko: but I still don't understand where I can use it
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[15:24] Sbioko: excerpt of this one case
[15:24] Sbioko: explain me plz
[15:24] Sbioko: except*
[15:24] shripadk: Sbioko what is the "one case"?
[15:25] Sbioko: shripadk: using node.js for websockets server
[15:25] Sbioko: shripadk: socket.io
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[15:26] shripadk: well... u can build realtime apps.. chat room for example
[15:26] mscdex: node.js rules!
[15:26] shripadk: second that :)
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[15:27] Sbioko: using websockets, yeah?
[15:27] Sbioko: or there is a different way
[15:27] jmar777: Sbioko: it's "sweet spot", based on how I've used it, is any time you want to build stuff closer to the protocol level, but still in a high level language
[15:28] Sbioko: jmar777: I need examples
[15:28] Sbioko: examples of apps
[15:28] jmar777: Sbioko: http://nodeknockout.com/
[15:29] jmar777: Sbioko: https://github.com/ry/node/wiki/ (look at Projects / Applications section)
[15:29] rpflo: Trying to use visionmedia's js-yaml and can't get the examples to work.  I'm running node v0.2.0 and js-yaml v0.1.0.  It's trying to call String::replace on an object here: https://github.com/visionmedia/js-yaml/blob/master/lib/yaml.js#L72
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[15:30] Sbioko: still don't understand
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[15:31] jmar777: Sbioko: you should try a more specific question, perhaps
[15:31] Sbioko: maybe
[15:31] Sbioko: anyway, thanks for your time :-)
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[15:32] sveisvei: test 1,2, 1 ...2....test...check...one, two...check...
[15:32] Floxxx: hehe
[15:32] Floxxx: want to? what does he want to? :p
[15:32] jmar777: sveisvei: i'm getting a little ring here in the back. try pulling the high end down a tad...
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[15:41] Floxxx: PotC theme song :D
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[15:43] Floxxx: such nice music :p
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[15:43] shripadk: :P
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[15:47] sveisvei: Indeed
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[15:50] mjr_: time to head to nodecamp everybod
[15:50] mjr_: y
[15:51] Floxxx: better hurry ;)
[15:51] Floxxx: hf
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[16:02] mraleph: rasputin rocks :-) but guests can't express their admiration in livestream's chat :-(
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[16:03] jamund: yeah the chat is pretty broken
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[16:03] jamund: it auto logs me out after 1 second each time :)
[16:03] jamund: but this chat is pretty hot
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[16:04] Floxxx: jamund: try chrome
[16:05] Floxxx: FF wouldn't work for me
[16:05] jamund: K.
[16:05] augustl: did it just go off air, or is it me?
[16:05] Floxxx: it did
[16:05] stagas: off air
[16:05] Floxxx: they just said it would be taken down at least once more
[16:05] Floxxx: they are still setting up
[16:05] stagas: what's the join crowd button do
[16:06] pquerna: rain sucks
[16:06] Floxxx: stagas: try it? :p
[16:06] stagas: it just says I joined crowd
[16:06] Floxxx: congratulations then i guess :p
[16:06] stagas: :P
[16:07] deirdre_: sorry UStream doesn't allow guests to post to the chat, but I'll try to keep an eye in here as well for questions
[16:07] deirdre_: ...but keep in mind that I'm doing about 15 things at once throughout the day so my attention may not be as sharp as needed...
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[16:07] Floxxx: deirdre_: you should get an assistant ;)
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[16:10] ryah: can someone curl http://169.230.237.134:8000/ 
[16:10] stagas: ryah: not found
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[16:11] Floxxx: same here
[16:11] ryah: sweet thanks
[16:11] Floxxx: lol
[16:11] mbrochh: damnit a few days ago i found a repo on github for tokenizing sentences and detecting the sentence's langauge... I can't find it any more. Anybody knows about it?
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[16:12] hamcore: how do i append a text in a file?
[16:12] stagas: hamcore: open with a+
[16:13] hamcore: var logFile = new fs.File(path.join('logs', 'aa.log'), 'a+', {encoding: 'utf8'});
[16:13] hamcore: works?
[16:13] hamcore: it does return TypeError: undefined is not a function
[16:13] Ond: Sounds like a fun project, mbrochh
[16:13] stagas: or with 'a'
[16:13] hamcore: neither works
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[16:14] chapel: fs.open(file, 'a', 666, function(er, id) {
[16:15] chapel: fs.write(id, 'data', null, 'utf8', function(er, d) {
[16:15] stagas: hamcore: http://nodejs.org/api.html#fs-open-137
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[16:15] hamcore: stagas, chapel thanks.
[16:15] chapel: :)
[16:15] hamcore: i saw a script using fs.File
[16:15] hamcore: Doesn't it exist more?
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[16:20] hamcore: chapel, stagas https://github.com/felixge/nodelog/blob/master/log.js#L20
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[16:21] chapel: ar file = require('file');
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[16:21] chapel: aka not fs
[16:21] chapel: I'm assuming
[16:21] hamcore: hum
[16:21] stagas: that's almost a year old, things have changed
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[16:22] chapel: anyways, what I pasted hamcore should work fine
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[16:22] chapel: I had to figure out how to append and that was the easiest way
[16:22] chapel: there are streams too
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[16:22] chapel: but wasn't necessary for my app
[16:22] hamcore: nice, thank you chapel stagas
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[16:23] Floxxx: yay for netsplit
[16:23] stagas: hamcore: spend some time on the docs at nodejs.org/api.html and you'll find a lot of interesting things there
[16:23] chapel: I was on the winning side of that netsplit!
[16:24] chapel: stagas << the only thing about the docs, no real examples
[16:24] chapel: I need to see code, how its used
[16:24] chapel: not just api explanations
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[16:26] stagas: chapel: yeah we got to do something about that
[16:27] hamcore: chapel, http://pastie.org/1376447
[16:27] hamcore: right?
[16:27] chapel: nodejs.eu
[16:27] chapel: :P
[16:27] chapel: why the "" at the end around \n?
[16:27] chapel: umm looks good as far as I can tell
[16:28] stagas: php land
[16:28] chapel: btw, look at this http://i.imgur.com/1xwwv.png
[16:28] Floxxx: nice
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[16:28] hamcore: this wat?
[16:28] hamcore: powered by pastie.org?
[16:28] tjholowaychuk: linkinus
[16:29] Floxxx: it opened the pastie inline ;)
[16:29] hamcore: what irc client do you use?
[16:29] tjholowaychuk: im using it as well
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[16:29] chapel: yep
[16:29] tjholowaychuk: inlines videos, images, gists
[16:29] chapel: linkinus
[16:29] hamcore: mac user.
[16:29] tjholowaychuk: etc
[16:29] hamcore: geek.
[16:29] chapel: :)
[16:29] chapel: System Info: Model:  HackPro3 · CPU Speed:  4 @ 2.7 GHz · L2:  3 MB · RAM:  4 GB · OS X:  Version 10.6.3 (Build 10D573) · Hostname:  Slash Hack · User:  chapel · Client:  Linkinus 2.2/24415 · Style:  Whisper
[16:29] yonkeltron: dude, emacs
[16:29] yonkeltron: just let it happen
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[16:29] chapel: it is nice for stuff posted in here
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[16:29] yonkeltron: emacs is nice for everything
[16:30] chapel: tjholowaychuk << do you know of an example of an ajax heavy site example using express? more for simple ajax stuff, nothing like socket.io
[16:31] tjholowaychuk: chapel: hmm probably http://pakistansurvey.org/
[16:31] tjholowaychuk: not positive what each of them use
[16:31] prinzdezibel: Does node.js has a module that can read windows style .ini files?
[16:31] chapel: is there server code though?
[16:31] chapel: want to see the express code
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[16:32] chapel: prinzdezibel << write a module :P
[16:32] tjholowaychuk: chapel: but I mean ajax is ajax, its nothing special, just respond with some json
[16:32] tjholowaychuk: res.send({ foo: 'bar' }); done
[16:32] chapel: good point
[16:32] chapel: 
ACTION likes examples

[16:32] prinzdezibel: chapel: I take this as NO
[16:32] tjholowaychuk: I could add an example, not sure what a good one would be though
[16:32] tjholowaychuk: a todo list or something
[16:32] chapel: prinzdezibel << not that I know of
[16:32] prinzdezibel: ok
[16:32] chapel: no worries tjholowaychuk don't go out of your way
[16:32] chapel: was just curious
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[16:33] Floxxx: prinzdezibel: should be pretty easy to parse
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[16:34] Floxxx: all you really have to check for is [] and =
[16:35] Floxxx: i don't think it's worth the trouble writing a whole module for it tbh
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[16:39] pquerna: prime seat out of view of the cameras
[16:39] tjholowaychuk: haha :D
[16:39] tjholowaychuk: what time are they getting started?
[16:40] Floxxx: in 20 minutes
[16:40] tjholowaychuk: sweet
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[16:41] jmar777: got a 70-something-inch smart board reserved at my work at least the first hour :)
[16:41] mscdex: heh
[16:41] Floxxx: lol
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[16:42] mscdex: don't forget the snacks!
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[16:44] jmar777: Charleston, SC here, so this is officially a lunch and learn...
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[16:48] tjholowaychuk: woah.. ruby haml doesnt give any error context?
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[16:49] tjholowaychuk: not cool
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[16:49] hunterloftis: How do you guys organize node projects? We've been vendoring all our libs but that gets hectic and project sizes are like 250MB
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[16:50] mscdex: hunterloftis: well, git has submodules, but github doesn't automatically pull those in when you download a tarball unfortunately :/
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[16:50] hunterloftis: mscdex: Yeah we're using submodules of course
[16:50] mscdex: ah ok
[16:50] tjholowaychuk: submodules are a pain
[16:50] hunterloftis: mscdex: But yeah, they are a pita
[16:50] christophsturm: hunterloftis: we run npm bundle on deploy
[16:50] tjholowaychuk: ndistrooo
[16:51] hunterloftis: tj: I just installed ndistro but nobody has forked it with new distros (that I see) and you guys haven't updated it for months so I thought maybe it was dead ;)
[16:51] sveisvei: omg...
[16:51] tjholowaychuk: nope its just not broken
[16:51] sveisvei: nice music
[16:51] hunterloftis: christophsturm: That's something like what I'm looking for, but a little heavy
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[16:52] hunterloftis: tj: So how does ndistro work? You set up the .ndistro file, it pulls down into /bin /lib and /modules...
[16:52] tjholowaychuk: node bins are annoying thought i really wish joyent would expose theirs
[16:52] chapel: yay
[16:52] chapel: nodejs camp
[16:52] christophsturm: hunterloftis: are you talking about project specific libs, or libs that are already in npm?
[16:53] hunterloftis: tj: In the github version, express is always require()ing stuff with relative paths (like connect) ... with the ndistro version will it just require('connect')
[16:53] hunterloftis: christophsturm: Mostly project specific... the ones in npm seem to be taken care of well
[16:53] tjholowaychuk: hunterloftis: you can deploy with out compiling node, so if you upgrade versions it can do that for you, and since the dirs are set up relative there is no require.path fiddling to get them going either
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[16:53] tjholowaychuk: hunterloftis: yeah, that us because bin/node looks at ../lib/node
[16:53] tjholowaychuk: for modules
[16:53] slaskis: tjholowaychuk: i think i just got the fancy stack traces for ejs working
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[16:53] hunterloftis: tj: Got it. That was what confused me.
[16:54] tjholowaychuk: slaskis: sweet :) haha
[16:54] tjholowaychuk: hunterloftis: ah, I should probably mention that haha
[16:54] hunterloftis: tj: So you sudo lib/node app.js and then you're off?
[16:55] slaskis: tjholowaychuk: https://github.com/slaskis/ejs/commit/ffbfcffddf3a78288bdc64248175c77818e0373a
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[16:55] tjholowaychuk: hunterloftis: ./bin/node app.js
[16:55] tjholowaychuk: thats it
[16:55] tjholowaychuk: you can update modules and node itself in seconds
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[16:56] tjholowaychuk: unfortunately keeping up with the binaries is a bit annoying, but other than that it works pretty well
[16:56] hunterloftis: Hmmm
[16:56] hunterloftis: Yeah so you only manually have to edit the binary versions in .ndistro
[16:56] tjholowaychuk: one benefit being you dont have to compile node to have npm working etc
[16:56] tjholowaychuk: yeah
[16:56] hunterloftis: You put your project libs wherever you want anyway
[16:56] tjholowaychuk: but its just a shell script so you can add other stuff in there too
[16:56] tjholowaychuk: https://github.com/visionmedia/.ndistro/blob/master/express
[16:56] tjholowaychuk: like that one
[16:56] jmar777: anyone else getting really choppy audio?
[16:57] hunterloftis: tj: yeah noticed that, nice feature
[16:57] hunterloftis: tj: What about git? You just add bin lib and modules to your .gitignore?
[16:57] mscdex: jmar777: nah
[16:57] tjholowaychuk: slaskis: cool man
[16:57] tjholowaychuk: hunterloftis: yup
[16:57] tjholowaychuk: well lib/node
[16:57] tjholowaychuk: if you have custom stuff in ./lib
[16:58] tjholowaychuk: keeps your tree clean, deploys fast, I like it
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[16:58] tjholowaychuk: update a module is a  simple as rm -fr modules/express && ndistro
[16:58] hunterloftis: why is there a lib/node and a bin/node?
[16:58] tjholowaychuk: because lib/node is a directory of modules (the ones that ndistro pulls in) and bin/node is node(1)
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[16:59] tjholowaychuk: its the same structure you see in /usr/local
[16:59] chapel: can you join the ustream irc network directly?
[16:59] tjholowaychuk:  /usr/local/{bin,lib}/node
[16:59] hunterloftis: tj: gotcha, just more imitation of the node tree
[16:59] Floxxx: it's irc based?
[16:59] chapel: yeah
[16:59] Floxxx: hmm
[16:59] tjholowaychuk: hunterloftis: yup, which gets you away from the relative require()s
[17:00] hunterloftis: tj: major headache
[17:00] Floxxx: chat01.ustream.tv
[17:00] tjholowaychuk: hunterloftis: how does it work with npm bundle?
[17:00] tjholowaychuk: can you still just require('mylib')
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[17:00] hunterloftis: tj: good question, have been avoiding that
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[17:00] hunterloftis: think christophsturm is using it
[17:01] christophsturm: tjholowaychuk: we do this: require.paths.unshift(require('path').join(process.cwd(), '/node_modules')); 
[17:01] tjholowaychuk: oh :s
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[17:02] christophsturm: in our startup script and in our test helpers
[17:02] tjholowaychuk: :(
[17:02] hunterloftis: christophsturm: Why not just require.paths.unshift('./node_modules')?
[17:02] tjholowaychuk: unshifting really sucks, I want to get away from it, multiple require paths really fucks you over
[17:02] tjholowaychuk: which is my main beef with npm lol I dont really want my libraries to exist anyhwere else
[17:03] Floxxx: http://www.ustream.tv/channel-popup/node-js-camp
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[17:04] hunterloftis: I like the .ndistro setup so far, mostly because it feels like the hack is all in the directory structure and I don't have to add hacks to my code
[17:04] tjholowaychuk: hunterloftis: yeah exactly
[17:05] tjholowaychuk: the only benefit of the npm bundling is that you get recursive dep resolution
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[17:05] tjholowaychuk: but if you know your libraries, its not a bit deal
[17:05] tjholowaychuk: big(
[17:05] tjholowaychuk: most libraries I use dont even have deps, so it works fine that way
[17:06] jmar777: Ha - company network was too choppy, but t-mobile 3G hotspot via Nexus One ftw!
[17:06] christophsturm: hunterloftis: good idea. i wonder how we ended up with that code.
[17:07] hunterloftis: christophsturm: if it works, it works ;)
[17:07] mAritz: tjholowaychuk: what's the problem with setting npmroot to ./node_modules (or whatever)?
[17:08] mAritz: sorry if i'm misunderstanding the problem here
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[17:08] hunterloftis: tjholowaychuk: I prefer to have a flat listing of dependencies anyway for all libraries. Makes things easier to debug, conflicts easier to resolve.
[17:08] tjholowaychuk: its just an alternative solution
[17:08] tjholowaychuk: hunterloftis: yeah me too
[17:08] tjholowaychuk: if i dont know what deps some lib has, I wont use it anyway lol
[17:09] tjholowaychuk: I also prefer to just have fake git submods for deps
[17:09] tjholowaychuk: instead of npm deps
[17:09] tjholowaychuk: much more useful when using them via tarball or git
[17:09] tjholowaychuk: or in this case ndistro
[17:09] hunterloftis: tj: "fake git submods?"
[17:10] tjholowaychuk: hunterloftis: git clone whatever lib/foo && git add lib/foo/
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[17:10] tjholowaychuk: you get the whole thing in your tree
[17:10] tjholowaychuk: but you can update it as if it was still a submod
[17:10] tjholowaychuk: which IMO is better than submods lol
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[17:12] hunterloftis: tj: We considered yeah just nested git repos after all the headaches we've had with submods
[17:13] tjholowaychuk: hunterloftis: yeah we are getting rid of them as well
[17:13] tjholowaychuk: we have about 40
[17:13] tjholowaychuk: its hell at times lol
[17:13] tjholowaychuk: and slow as fuck anyway
[17:13] tjholowaychuk: update --init --recursive is sooooooo slow
[17:14] hunterloftis: yeah no kidding
[17:14] hunterloftis: And having to remind everybody to do it all the time
[17:14] tjholowaychuk: that too
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[17:16] hunterloftis: tj: using ndistro, where do you guys put your non-npm libs?
[17:16] hunterloftis: in /libs?
[17:17] hunterloftis: */lib
[17:17] tjholowaychuk: hunterloftis: yeah I put them in ./lib
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[17:22] chapel: hola davglass
[17:22] chapel: are you at node camp?
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[17:23] davglass: chapel: Nope, I'm in Illinois ;)
[17:23] chapel: oh, gotta like illinois
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[17:28] edwardchuajh: can anyone see his ip from the nodejs camp slides
[17:28] reid: 169.230.237.134
[17:28] blowery: internal only
[17:29] blowery: er, blah
[17:29] blowery: reid: are you yeti reid?
[17:29] chapel: :)
[17:29] edwardchuajh: ah ok thanks
[17:29] reid: i am yeti reid
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[17:30] yenz: damn demo gods
[17:30] blowery: ah, cool. i have a fork of yeti that makes it work with dojo's test harness (DOH) :)
[17:31] mape: Nice to have joyent stream it as well
[17:31] blowery: yeah the stream is awesome
[17:31] tjholowaychuk: mape: ya thats sweet
[17:32] tjholowaychuk: wish it was easier to see the screen
[17:32] blowery: he should share his screen on join.me
[17:32] reid: blowery: share?
[17:32] blowery: reid: it's on github. https://github.com/blowery/yeit
[17:33] blowery: spelled right
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[17:33] naturalethic: does crypto have AES or any other synchronous alg?
[17:33] naturalethic: symmetric rather
[17:33] Aria: symmetric, you mean?
[17:34] blowery: reid: https://github.com/blowery/yeti
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[17:36] eddanger: where is the live stream?
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[17:36] yenz: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/node-js-camp
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[17:40] chapel: awesome presentation :)
[17:41] stride: funny, I have almost the same bash & vim color schemes :)
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[17:45] eddanger: I have power!
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[17:47] Floxxx: go isaacs
[17:47] pquerna: damn vim users.
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[17:47] hamcore: var file = file[0] == "#" ? path.join(logPath, file, today+'.log') : path.join(logPath,'query.log');
[17:47] jmar777: holy crap - someone tell isaacs to find a new color scheme lol
[17:47] hamcore: is this possible?
[17:48] yenz: dark bg 4tl
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[17:48] Floxxx: should be hamcore
[17:49] stride: mscdex: are you at the camp? :)
[17:49] mscdex: unfortunately no :\
[17:49] mscdex: i'm on the opposite side of the country
[17:49] yenz: i love how w/ the stream and IRC you're pretty close to being there though
[17:49] yenz: 
ACTION hugs technology 

[17:49] chapel: yeah
[17:50] stride: mscdex: heh, yeah, I know that feeling.. opposite side of the world.. :/
[17:50] chapel: too bad joyent didnt invest in a capture card
[17:50] edwardchuajh: not when you're in the other side of the world and the stream lags badly =(
[17:50] chapel: and a video mixer
[17:50] mape: Hmm anyone remember the new crazy set attribute to element and make it able to click through? (html)
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[17:50] yenz: sure beats the cutting edge from before, of a handful of incomplete PPT decks in PDF format for download :D
[17:51] mraleph: it does not lag here in Denmark... which I classify as another side of the world :-)
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[17:51] stride: seems okay here as well (Germany)
[17:51] edwardchuajh: i guess connections to Singapore is just crappy -sad-
[17:52] yenz: edwardchuajh: make a pastie of your traceroute?
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[17:53] mape: Works nicely here (sweden)
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[17:56] edwardchuajh: yenz: here it is http://pastie.org/1376715
[17:56] yenz: odd, no obviously terrible hops
[17:57] edwardchuajh: actually it is getting better as it gets alter in the night hmm
[17:57] edwardchuajh: later*
[17:57] edwardchuajh: 2Am here
[17:57] yenz: yikes
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[17:57] yenz: 10am (Canada) :)
[17:57] yenz: er, 11
[17:58] edwardchuajh: wondering if i should go sleep and watch the video upload (if there is one) instead
[17:58] edwardchuajh: but it wont be the same hmm
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[18:01] pquerna: take that vim users
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[18:01] hamcore: when using fs.open it's creating a file without r w x permissions, how could i solve it?
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[18:02] pquerna: hamcore: 3rd arg is mode
[18:02] hamcore: fs.open(file, 'a', 666, function (err, id) {
[18:02] hamcore: 666?
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[18:03] chapel: idk, I manually created the file
[18:06] stride: hm. the questions remind me: there's no node/websocket-powered version of google moderator yet..
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[18:08] naturalethic: shouldn't the output encodings for cipher.update and cipher.final be the same?
[18:08] naturalethic: the options that is
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[18:11] chapel: stride: yeah, there should be :)
[18:11] chapel: and have it be about node
[18:11] ryah: is the live streaming working?
[18:11] naturalethic: hmm  my output isn't affected regardless
[18:11] chapel: yeah, watching now ryah
[18:11] chapel: watched your presentation
[18:11] chapel: was good
[18:11] tjholowaychuk: ryah: yup its fine in canada
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[18:11] ryah: sweet
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[18:13] dnolen: what should I do if I only want to write a part of a buffer to a stream? or is it just best to have a buffer that is the right size to begin with?
[18:13] edwardchuajh: bah im waiting for the Cloud9 IDE section, but itd be 5am here
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[18:14] stride: dnolen: buffer.slice(start, end) might be what you're looking for
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[18:15] chapel: what someone needs to do is get cloud9 working on chrome os
[18:15] dnolen: stride: thx
[18:15] mraleph: chapel: it does not work?
[18:16] chapel: huh?
[18:16] chapel: well, in a remote easy to use way
[18:16] chapel: like a webservice
[18:16] chapel: but I guess it would work if you set it up yourself :P
[18:16] edwardchuajh: installing cloud9 was a pain thogh
[18:17] edwardchuajh: cloning from github was slow
[18:17] chapel: I think it could be simpler
[18:17] chapel: :P
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[18:17] edwardchuajh: well i hope it could be too
[18:18] stride: chapel: alias cloud9='ssh user@host vim'
[18:18] stride: :>
[18:19] chapel: lol
[18:19] chapel: talking about chrome os
[18:19] chapel: which doesn't have a terminal that I know of
[18:19] EGreg_: what do you guys use to host node.js ?
[18:19] stride: doesn't that have a shortcut to open a terminal?
[18:19] EGreg_: do you use one process per cpu?
[18:19] EGreg_: per core I mean
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[18:19] cferris: chapel: chrome os has a terminal & ssh
[18:19] EGreg_: Listen I have a question btw ... I want to make nodeblog.com for all things node. Do you guys think it would be a good idea? To have a portal for node and its tools?
[18:19] chapel: oh cferris I didn't know
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[18:20] cferris: i think its ctrl + alt + t to slide over to the term?
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[18:20] edwardchuajh: EGreg_:  using EC2 free one year!
[18:20] c4milo: EGreg_: yes 
[18:21] steffkes: edwardchuajh, oh noe .. with annoying micro-instances .. ;>
[18:21] chapel: EGreg_: yeah a node blog would be cool
[18:21] chapel: and I use webfaction atm
[18:21] edwardchuajh: steffkes:  haha yes, btu tis great for messing with node and other stuff though
[18:22] chapel: though I plan on playing with nodejitsu when I have something more solid to use on it
[18:22] edwardchuajh: just question, what text editor is he using?
[18:22] edwardchuajh: nodejitsu? (off to google)
[18:23] EGreg_: this seems pretty sweet btw:
[18:23] EGreg_: http://developer.yahoo.com/blogs/ydn/posts/2010/07/multicore_http_server_with_nodejs/
[18:23] EGreg_: seems like yahoo solved it nicely
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[18:27] chapel: too bright
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[18:29] edwardchuajh: ok time to sleep night!
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[18:31] stride: 
ACTION wants rauchg's .vimrc

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[18:52] sh1mmer: yo
[18:52] sh1mmer: live stream of node camp http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2004841
[18:52] sh1mmer: it needs votes :)
[18:53] gkatsev: I wish I could've attended and I wish I could've watched :(
[18:54] sh1mmer: gkatsev: it's still on
[18:54] sh1mmer: you can still watch
[18:55] gkatsev: I'm at work, is what I mean.
[18:55] JimBastard: http://blog.couchone.com/post/2314470878/nodejitsu-couchone-couchdb
[18:55] JimBastard: wooot
[18:55] JimBastard: its on now!
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[18:56] naturalethic: anyone notice anything obviously a bad idea with my password encryption method? https://gist.github.com/740878
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[18:58] gwoo: JimBastard: awesome
[18:58] naturalethic: who's this up now on stage?
[18:58] tjholowaychuk: tim
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[19:02] ryah: naturalethic: aka creationix
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[19:11] technoweenie: naturalethic: what bcrypt cost is default 
[19:11] tjholowaychuk: this one doesnt seem to nodeish
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[19:12] naturalethic: technoweenie: dunno, i did a quick test though and got about 6x time over just sha256
[19:13] technoweenie: naturalethic: you should store the cost with the user's salt
[19:13] technoweenie: maybe in a year you want to upgrade the default cost 
[19:13] technoweenie: or set the cost to 0 in testing environments
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[19:13] naturalethic: how would i access cost through crypto. api ?
[19:14] isaacs: hello from node camp!
[19:14] technoweenie: i dont know
[19:14] isaacs: irc is blocked by the network here.
[19:14] stride: isaacs: \o/
[19:14] isaacs: The stream is at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/node-js-camp
[19:14] stride: your npm talk was great :)
[19:14] isaacs: creationix is talking about clientside js.
[19:14] jpick: isaacs, i saw you on the tv! 
[19:14] naturalethic: technoweenie: if i figure on changing the cost some day, i can do it for everyone at once i suppose
[19:14] isaacs: stride: thanks :)
[19:15] isaacs: i kinda dig this irssi thing.  very clean and nice.
[19:15] stride: was the start parameter always supported in package.json? totally missed that
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[19:15] technoweenie: right but you cant change it without breaking the password of existing users can you
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[19:16] naturalethic: technoweenie: yes, i am a retard
[19:20] isaacs: strixv: scripts has been around for a while, yeah
[19:20] isaacs: strixv: not sure when "npm start" landed.  git probably does, but it was a while ago, i know that.
[19:20] strixv: eh?
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[19:20] isaacs: er... that was for stride 
[19:20] isaacs: stride^^
[19:20] stride: ah :) okay, thanks
[19:21] bronb_: I was wondering if nodejs approach could be met under C strictly? (callbacks approach?)
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[19:22] A83: hi
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[19:23] yonkeltron: i can now personally vouch for node's ability to handle many concurrent HTTP connections from sources which will respons slowly and still remain performant
[19:24] A83: How do I add node command to the terminal? I've just cloned the git rep and have run 'make install'. but get -bash: node: command not found Sorry for noobish question, thanks in advance!
[19:24] naturalethic: technoweenie: perhaps more work could be added just by running n updates against the salt in the cipher
[19:24] isaacs: bronb_: yes, you can definitely do everything node does in c
[19:24] isaacs: bronb_: it's just very painful.
[19:25] naturalethic: bronb_: perhaps using C blocks
[19:25] isaacs: bronb_: "callbacks" in C are awful.  function pointers < closures.
[19:25] naturalethic: C blocks are closures
[19:25] naturalethic: but i think require the objc runtime
[19:25] mraleph: managing lifetime will just kill you and maybe even turn you into undead
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[19:26] bronb_: isaacs: do you happen to know of any server which actually tried it with plain C?
[19:26] isaacs: bronb_: ryah did something like that before node, i believe.
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[19:27] isaacs: bronb_: to hear him tell the story, "No one liked it"
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[19:27] isaacs: A83: echo $PATH <-- that will show you where bash looks for programs.
[19:28] isaacs: A83: add this to your .bashrc file:  export PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH
[19:28] bronb_: isaacs: yea, I can only imagine it's not as smooth, but I would like to learn how such a thing be structured. (what I have in my head is a complete chaos)
[19:28] naturalethic: a83: you probably want to run 'make' by itself first, then 'make install'
[19:28] isaacs: naturalethic: if `make install` works, then it does the same thing
[19:28] isaacs: naturalethic: the `install` target depends on the default `all` taret.
[19:29] naturalethic: isaacs: gotcha, i usually separate them because sometimes that isn't the case, ruby being a notable case
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[19:33] ReshadN: Hello World! First time on IRC. New to node and can't seem to get npm working. 
[19:34] chapel: bah stream keeps going down
[19:34] chapel: I wanted to watch the redis talk
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[19:35] yonkeltron: ReshadN: some details'd be great
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[19:35] ErikCorry: ReshadN: My experience was that npm didn't work with the Ubuntu packages.
[19:36] ErikCorry: You have to compile yourself.
[19:36] ErikCorry: Because the installer puts things in the wrong places with the wrong names and the wrong permissions.
[19:36] msilverman2: Hey everyone, we have a node process that makes many HTTP requests async style. In order to detect "done", we are using a simple semaphore. However, we are getting to the point where no more requests are being done, but the semaphore count is not getting to 0, which prevents the final callback from being done. We've done a lot of checking around the code and we are confident that it is not anything like
[19:36] msilverman2:  uncaught exceptions. Anyone seen this behavior before?
[19:36] ReshadN: Here is the instruction set I'm using to install node.
[19:36] ReshadN: https://github.com/ry/node/wiki/Building-node.js-on-Cygwin-(Windows)
[19:37] yonkeltron: oh. windows.
[19:37] ReshadN: yes unfortunately.. haha
[19:38] yonkeltron: msilverman2: you're trying to hold certain behavior until after all the HTTP requests have returned?
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[19:38] A83: isaacs: thanks
[19:39] mraleph: 
ACTION recommends adding the following line to windows build instructions: "0. Install Linux"

[19:39] yonkeltron: mraleph: good man.
[19:39] yonkeltron: ReshadN: ^^
[19:39] yonkeltron: see that?
[19:39] yonkeltron: consider it strongly
[19:39] msilverman2: yonkeltron: yes, that's correct.
[19:39] yonkeltron: ReshadN: have you ever successfully built software on windows using cygwin?
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[19:40] ReshadN: nope. new on cygwin also. 
[19:40] yonkeltron: msilverman2: ok, so technically that's not allowed because you're talking about blocking which is not allowed
[19:40] ReshadN: I've installed a vmware player and Ubuntu netbook edition. So i'm going to give node and npm a quick shot there.
[19:40] yonkeltron: ReshadN: i'm going to go out on a limb here and say that cygwin is where you should first look
[19:40] yonkeltron: ReshadN: good idea!
[19:40] msilverman2: yonkeltron: even if we weren't trying to do that, we do need to know when all the requests are done.
[19:41] yonkeltron: msilverman2: right i actually had something like this a few days ago
[19:42] ReshadN: thanks
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[19:42] yonkeltron: msilverman2: first thing to keep in mind is that semaphores and locks suck
[19:43] msilverman2: yonkeltron: agreed! ;)
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[19:43] yonkeltron: msilverman2: anyway, my problems was:
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[19:45] yonkeltron: msilverman2: i had a list of HTTP queries which needed to complete before 'continuing'. so i held the behavior i wanted executed after in a callback (higher order functions and function objects ftw). i knew what the http requests had to be so i held them in an array. i created a new empty array and an event emitter.
[19:46] yonkeltron: msilverman2: the HTTP reqeusts' end event triggered the event emitter which added the name of the http request (could be any arbitrary element so long as it corresponds properly) to the array and checked to see if the array equaled the list of requests we were waiting for
[19:47] yonkeltron: msilverman2: when the lists became equal we knew that all the http requests had completed and we then executed the callbacks
[19:47] yonkeltron: callback
[19:47] yonkeltron: sorry
[19:47] yonkeltron: msilverman2: does that make sense?
[19:47] msilverman2: yonkeltron: I like that approach. The challenge we have is that we have requests going to different services based on the results of other requests. This is all handled via callbacks. But, we don't know up front how many requests there will be overall.
[19:47] yonkeltron: this is a challenge, dawg.
[19:47] yonkeltron: msilverman2: so....
[19:48] yonkeltron: msilverman2: what if you add new identifiers to the array?
[19:48] yonkeltron: msilverman2: know what i mean?
[19:48] yonkeltron: msilverman2: what's wrong with adding new requests to the queue or some such?
[19:48] yonkeltron: i mean, you could just use a counter
[19:49] yonkeltron: no need to do array manipulation
[19:49] msilverman2: yonkeltron: we have been saving results in arrays. For some reason that we can't fathom, our counter is not getting to zero.
[19:49] yonkeltron: from how many different places are you dec'ing the counter?
[19:50] yonkeltron: try an event emitter which listens for a done event or some such
[19:50] msilverman2: 2, primarily.
[19:50] yonkeltron: and when it's done, it dec's the counter
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[19:50] yonkeltron: one spot
[19:50] yonkeltron: easier to debug
[19:50] yonkeltron: i really hope i'm giving you good advice here...
[19:50] yonkeltron: but sometimes it helps just to talk things out, amirite?
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[19:52] ReshadN: Ok new problem on Ubuntu Netbook installing node.js --> Message reads "/local/node/wscript:235: error: Could not autodetect OpenSSL support. Make sure OpenSSL development packages are installed. Use configure --without-ssl to disable this message.
[19:52] EGreg_: sup people
[19:52] EGreg_: does everyone here use Connect?
[19:52] yonkeltron: ReshadN: do you have openssl dev files installed?
[19:52] EGreg_: It seems like it's a standard. What else is standard for deploying multi-process node ?
[19:52] ReshadN: What would be the fastest way to check or install?
[19:52] tjholowaychuk: EGreg_: its not really the standard or anything, but it works fine
[19:52] pquerna: jspack letting me down.
[19:53] yonkeltron: msilverman2: how you doing, buddy?
[19:53] tjholowaychuk: so lots of people lean towards it, but its not perfect. Alternatives are things like jsgi
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[19:54] msilverman2: yonkeltron: doin' alright. We are trying some stuff out, not the least of which is removing some setTimeout nastiness.
[19:54] EGreg_: so how do you depoy node on multi cores?
[19:55] yonkeltron: msilverman2: oh dear.
[19:55] yonkeltron: msilverman2: get a sponge love, it helps with the cleanup.
[19:55] msilverman2: lol
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[19:57] yonkeltron: msilverman2: if you need events, use events.
[19:57] yonkeltron: msilverman2: timeouts should only be used for what they need to be used for
[19:58] yonkeltron: msilverman2: otherwise you end up with non-deterministic behavior for nothing!
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[19:58] yonkeltron: msilverman2: imagine writing a test which had an assert which executed after a "good amount of time" to see if some async operation had returned
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[19:58] yonkeltron: msilverman2: no way to know for sure. therefore, you have a non-deterministic test which is not a test at all
[19:59] yonkeltron: msilverman2: well, it's a really shitty test.
[19:59] yonkeltron: msilverman2: unless you're a friends fan in which case that sort of thing prob appeals to you
[19:59] _Pilate: using something like node-mysql, whats the recommended method of doing multiple queries before returning data? nesting callbacks?
[19:59] msilverman2: yonkeltron: I know. It's a drag. Dealing with rate limit quotas from third parties...
[19:59] yonkeltron: oooooh
[19:59] yonkeltron: interesting
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[20:00] yonkeltron: just for the lols
[20:00] yonkeltron: hang on
[20:00] pquerna: jspack.Pack("h", 32); -> [ 0, 0 ]
[20:00] yonkeltron: msilverman2: http://documentcloud.github.com/underscore/#throttle look at throttle and debounce
[20:01] msilverman2: yonkeltron: thanks
[20:01] yonkeltron: msilverman2: but keep it deterministic
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[20:09] ErikCorry: ReshadN: sudo apt-get install openssl-dev
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[20:12] ErikCorry: sorry
[20:12] ErikCorry: that should be libssl-dev
[20:12] ErikCorry: not openssl-dev
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[20:51] futuremint: does the new nodejitsu / CouchOne thing talk over SSL?
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[20:56] DoNaLd`: someone has idea ? http://pastebin.com/D6J67cbA
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[21:13] burlingo: shimon_:hi
[21:13] shimon_: burlingo:hi
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[21:14] shimon_: anyone here?
[21:15] ls_n: ?
[21:15] shimon_: ls_n: just checking mape's http://wargamez.mape.me/
[21:15] mape: shimon_: :)
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[21:15] shimon_: thanks
[21:16] halfhalo: woot, its been updated!
[21:16] shimon_: mape: i wanted to show it to my friend
[21:16] mape: Jup it uses socket.io now
[21:16] shimon_: mape: it dos not works from same country to same country
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[21:16] shimon_: mape: cool
[21:16] mape: shimon_: well it isn't really meant for one country..
[21:17] shimon_: bye cool
[21:17] mape: But stagas made one for greece
[21:17] shimon_: :)
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[21:17] mape: So it is doable for single countries
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[21:20] stagas: it was like super hard
[21:20] stagas: :P
[21:20] halfhalo: super hard or super super hard?
[21:21] stagas: if you're patient it's doable :)
[21:21] konobi: how goes the camp?
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[21:22] mape: The crowd seemed kinda docile when I followed the stream
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[21:23] ErikCorry: I'm feeling pretty docile myself.
[21:24] yonkeltron: http://jlouisramblings.blogspot.com/2010/12/differences-between-nodejs-and-erlang_14.html
[21:25] DoNaLd`: has someone idea ? http://pastebin.com/D6J67cbA
[21:29] booths: Anyone aware of why I would see a "Error: ENOBUFS, No buffer space available" error under a relatively light load?
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[21:30] adelcambre: ls
[21:30] adelcambre: bah
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[21:31] jonaslund: yonkeltron: cpt obvious? :)
[21:31] eponym: How do I handle an HTTP PUT?
[21:31] yonkeltron: jonaslund: agreed!
[21:32] jonaslund: yonkeltron: he could've made that same example with Java for all it's worth
[21:32] eponym: (Is there a minimal example somewhere?)
[21:32] AAA_awright: eponym: Same way you do POST or any other request with a body
[21:32] jonaslund: besides, couldn't you just start up a few instances of multi-node ?
[21:33] stagas: is streaming working for you?
[21:33] AAA_awright: eponym: request.on('data', callback); request.on('end', callback);
[21:33] eponym: <AAA_awright thanks
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[21:34] mjr_: node camp is pretty neat.
[21:34] yonkeltron: jonaslund: haha
[21:34] yonkeltron: jonaslund: but this is cool: https://dosync.posterous.com/clojure-nodejs-and-why-messaging-can-be-lame
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[21:38] jonaslund: umm
[21:38] jonaslund: yonkeltron: that way to handle a counter is just ... stupid
[21:39] jonaslund: but it does raise a good question
[21:39] jonaslund: since the problem will crop up again
[21:39] stagas: is nodecamp ustreaming now?
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[21:41] tjholowaychuk: yeah
[21:41] tjholowaychuk: guillermo just finished his socket.io talk
[21:41] stagas: damn I can't get it to start it's stuck at the spinning thing
[21:41] mjr_: How is the audio/video quality on the stream?
[21:42] naturalethic: look at all those macs
[21:42] tjholowaychuk: its not brutal, the screen is hard to read sometimes
[21:42] tjholowaychuk: since its not a straight shot
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[21:43] mjr_: We tried recording screens with quicktime player, but it gets sad with large files.
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[21:45] mjr_: Yeah, it's funny how many people have macs.  Like, almost everybody.
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[21:45] tjholowaychuk: because its the only thing that looks good :p
[21:46] tjholowaychuk: I would buy something else if they didnt all look like crap
[21:46] tjholowaychuk: that is my motivation lol
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[21:47] booths: No ideas for http://pastebin.com/ubzsvNfE ?
[21:47] _Pilate: is it possible to cache some data in a module so its available next time a function from it is called?
[21:47] stagas: no now that I got it to start it stopped
[21:48] booths: _Pilate: Through separate instances of node?
[21:48] _Pilate: no, just one
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[21:56] pquerna: someone really needs to make an intergrated html5 slide presentation thing that is written on top of node
[21:56] pquerna: so like
[21:56] pquerna: you can run demo code on a slide deck
[21:56] pquerna: and hav test cases for the demo code
[21:56] pquerna: stuff like that
[21:57] mjr_: I've started that project like 5 times
[21:57] mjr_: And I always get stuck in client side magic.
[21:57] pquerna: yes
[21:57] mjr_: Then I give up, because I'm tired of client side JS
[21:57] pquerna: i used showoff once
[21:57] booths: _Pilate: If it's the same instance of node, you could create a variable inside the module and store it there?
[21:57] mjr_: That's why I just use TextMate and Terminal.
[21:57] pquerna: but then I got bummed  because making a PDF
[21:57] pquerna: was a pain
[21:57] pquerna: and some conferences really want PDFs
[21:57] pquerna: or ppts
[21:57] pquerna: so i want to make a pdf.
[21:57] mjr_: Yeah, they really do want PDF.
[21:58] _Pilate: yeah booths i got it, wasnt quite thinking; thanks
[21:58] pquerna: also, built in chat
[21:58] mjr_: But, oh well.  The actual value of "slides" is a lot lower than how much time it takes to make them, IMO.
[21:58] pquerna: because node is really good at chat
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[21:58] mjr_: However, someone should totally make that slide presenter / chat thing.  I would use it.
[21:59] pquerna: no bugs in upstart.
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[22:02] mjr_: Someone should also make node chat chat, so all of the node chat examples can chat with each other.
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[22:04] AAA_awright: I think that's called IRC...?
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[22:06] pquerna: mjr_: oh, so meta.
[22:06] konobi: leroux!
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[22:14] mjr_: ryah: hey, I had to head back to the office
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[22:14] mjr_: Tons of stuff happening today.
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[22:26] ukev: hi, great news with couchdb and nodejitsu! :) congratulation
[22:27] linnk: ukev: what's up with couchdb?
[22:27] ukev: http://blog.couchone.com/post/2314470878/nodejitsu-couchone-couchdb
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[22:29] linnk: ukev: nice, looks good
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[22:31] voodootikigod: hey
[22:31] ukev: yes, I couldn't wait to get email for the private beta
[22:31] ukev: :)
[22:32] ukev: I'm wondering on which base they are given
[22:32] linnk: ukev: maybe number of commits to node? :P
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[22:33] zemanel: how are you handling database centric applications? as in, are there ORM libraries for node?
[22:33] ukev: zemanel, yes there're Resourcer
[22:33] zemanel: nice m8
[22:34] ukev: https://github.com/cloudhead/resourcer
[22:34] jonaslund: zemanel: if you use ORM libs.. maybe consider using a object/document db from start
[22:35] zemanel: yes i'm interest in persevere at least
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[22:35] zemanel: at least hats the one i know
[22:35] zemanel: a little bit
[22:36] zemanel: also found http://geddyjs.org/
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[22:37] tjholowaychuk: zemanel: mongoose
[22:37] halfhalo: mongoooooooooose!
[22:38] zemanel: thx m8
[22:39] tjholowaychuk: still not sold on couch lol
[22:40] tjholowaychuk: the GUI would be nice though I suppose
[22:40] tjholowaychuk: cli is better
[22:40] zemanel: i'm spoiled by django
[22:40] zemanel: wish someone would port the concepts :p
[22:40] tjholowaychuk: ew
[22:40] tjholowaychuk: lol
[22:41] jonaslund: couch has 2 sets of great ideas
[22:41] tjholowaychuk: sorry. I tried django from a newbies perspective (im not into py) and was extremelllly not impressed by django
[22:41] jonaslund: combining them isn't :P
[22:41] tjholowaychuk: first impression was bad, I dont like the form api, model stuff is so so
[22:42] tjholowaychuk: zemanel: but I would be curious to see what a good django app looks like
[22:42] tjholowaychuk: to see what all the python people out there do
[22:42] zemanel: tjholowaychuk: i like it
[22:42] zemanel: its productive
[22:42] tjholowaychuk: I wanted to like it
[22:42] tjholowaychuk: but I didnt
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[22:45] zemanel: tjholowaychuk: coming for a background where i was forced around writing spaghetti code, it was a bliss 
[22:45] zemanel: or is
[22:45] tjholowaychuk: any good examples?
[22:46] tjholowaychuk: I followed one of the intro tuts
[22:46] zemanel: not that i recall atm
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[22:47] zemanel: you can checkout https://github.com/nathanborror/django-basic-apps
[22:47] zemanel: it's very nice
[22:47] Wizek: Hi. Would someone be so kind to send me their Consolas font please? =)
[22:47] zemanel: tjholowaychuk: not that it's a standalone app, its a set of helpful apps
[22:48] tjholowaychuk: woah, the views have a lot of associated py
[22:49] zemanel: and teh ydo a lot of stuff also :)
[22:49] tjholowaychuk: bah
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[22:57] jonaslund: errrm
[22:57] malkomalko: I have a web request that's making a lot of api calls and it seems to be getting jammed somewhere, hangs, without any errors being thrown.  Are there any good tools to try debugging/profiling so I can get a good look at what's happening as my request is going?
[22:58] jonaslund: zemanel: is https://github.com/nathanborror/django-basic-apps/tree/master/basic/blog a typical app ?
[22:58] jonaslund: malkomalko: logging? :)
[22:58] zemanel: err dunno, but teh code seems top notch to me
[22:58] tjholowaychuk: :s
[22:58] zemanel: it all depends on what the app does ofc
[22:58] jonaslund: iik
[22:58] tjholowaychuk: model stuff looks gross
[22:59] tjholowaychuk: view stuff is crazily verbose
[23:00] jonaslund: i'm not sure i like the idea of all view stuff being in one file ?
[23:00] tjholowaychuk: they dont have to be, but there is a lot of code going on there just to set up a view
[23:00] tjholowaychuk: which defeats the purpose
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[23:01] zemanel: you can do it anyway you like ofc
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[23:01] jonaslund: ok cool
[23:02] zemanel: thats pretty much how its generaly done afaik
[23:03] konobi: (native OSX downloadable version of wireshark... http://www.christian-hornung.de/)
[23:04] jonaslund: tjholowaychuk: what's your preference then when it comes to stuff like this ?
[23:05] tjholowaychuk: jonaslund: for what
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[23:06] jonaslund: tjholowaychuk: web frameworks/templating/etc. favourite tools or ways of doing stuff
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[23:06] tjholowaychuk: jonaslund: express :p
[23:07] tjholowaychuk: but i wrote it so that doesnt count
[23:07] tjholowaychuk: i prefer simple things like sinatra
[23:07] jonaslund: url ?
[23:07] tjholowaychuk: things that dont fuck me over
[23:08] ukev: jonaslund, for python I like bottle because it's not os bloated like django (http://bottle.paws.de/)
[23:08] ukev: os->so
[23:09] tjholowaychuk: yeah kinda sinatra like
[23:09] tjholowaychuk: kinda akward looking
[23:09] tjholowaychuk: but i guess that is py
[23:09] tjholowaychuk: for you
[23:10] ryah: nc -u 169.230.236.244 7000
[23:11] ryah: ^-- pquerna has this on screen
[23:11] ryah: udp chat server
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[23:17] deedubs: how would one go about syncing up an operation that has multiple steps such as collect files, compress each file, and the optimize each file into a single file at the end
[23:18] deedubs: ideally I'd like the collection of the files to be sync and then, compress async, and then optimize sync
[23:18] jonaslund: tjholowaychuk: not bad looking, i not doing everything the way i'd go about things but not insane either
[23:19] tjholowaychuk: jonaslund: suggestions are certainly welcome, its neat to see what people do coming from things like django
[23:19] tjholowaychuk: just thought it would be a bit better since it is so well known
[23:21] jonaslund: well nothing is perfect, it's all about the usage,etc
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[23:21] jonaslund: but simply binding forms to sessions would be a good thing to do smoothly
[23:22] jonaslund: (to avoid XSS)
[23:22] tjholowaychuk: some things are hard to implement (nicely) without binding to some kind of ORM etc
[23:22] tjholowaychuk: so express is limited in that sense
[23:22] jonaslund: yup
[23:22] tjholowaychuk: which is fine, I have no intention of it being something huge like django or rails
[23:23] jonaslund: i could see myself using express for certain stuff
[23:23] tjholowaychuk: but with jade compilation you can provide introspection and doing some really neat stateful forms etc
[23:23] tjholowaychuk: transparently
[23:23] zemanel: deedubs: there was a post around abut doing sync stuff like reading files but i cant remember where it was
[23:24] stagas: jade rocks
[23:24] brianc: tjholowaychuk: know if anyone's working on jade-mode for emacs?  I thinking of starting & a google search has turned up nothing.
[23:24] tjholowaychuk: stagas: thanks :) still a WIP, some bugs unfortunately lol but hey
[23:24] tjholowaychuk: brianc: I *think* it exists
[23:24] zemanel: deedubs: http://howtonode.org/control-flow , source was http://camp.nodejs.org/resources.html
[23:24] tjholowaychuk: one sec
[23:25] zemanel: whats emacs?
[23:25] zemanel: :D
[23:25] zemanel: is it something similar to vi?
[23:25] stagas: tjholowaychuk: couldn't find any other than sometimes it inserts a newline before closing tags
[23:25] zemanel: ;p
[23:25] tjholowaychuk: hmm I thought there was, I cant find it
[23:25] deedubs: thanks zemanel !
[23:25] tjholowaychuk: stagas: yeah I have some in the issue queue, but the whitespace rules need some work
[23:26] stagas: tjholowaychuk: I like that I send a lot of logic out to it and it keeps my actual app clean
[23:26] tjholowaychuk: i might defer the whitespace to the trailing tag, not sure yet
[23:26] brianc: tjholowaychuk: i couldn't either. I suppose I'll fiddle with one this week if I get the time. I'll keep u posted
[23:26] stagas: tjholowaychuk: I use it extensively at hwknd.com
[23:26] tjholowaychuk: brianc: sounds good, I should put a link in the readme
[23:26] tjholowaychuk: which I thought I had
[23:26] tjholowaychuk: but I think that was something for vim
[23:26] stagas: tjholowaychuk: the search is also fully jade powered
[23:26] tjholowaychuk: stagas: cool :)
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[23:27] tjholowaychuk: jade will be killer once I have time to refine
[23:28] tjholowaychuk: wish I was a bit more strict on the syntax, so we could get rid of with(){}
[23:28] tjholowaychuk: js expressions fuck me over in some cases
[23:29] tjholowaychuk: stagas: we have another secret project in the works
[23:30] tjholowaychuk: inspired by jade (not for html though)
[23:30] tjholowaychuk: and a different project, both released in a week or so
[23:31] pquerna: man, my textmate is ugly now
[23:31] tjholowaychuk: pquerna: cool demo :D
[23:31] tjholowaychuk: was nice seeing some lower level stuff
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[23:36] JamesBaster: hey guys, i read about this node.js thing today and it looked cool
[23:36] ShiZWeaK: it is cool
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[23:47] ukev: howto get node.js on archlinux for arm (plugapps.com) ?
[23:47] tonymilne: What are peoples thoughts on persistent connections to the database in node apps?
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[23:54] pquerna: nodesshfast?
[23:55] zemanel: JimBastard: looks good and tastes like chicken
[23:55] JimBastard: lolsup zemanel 
[23:56] JimBastard: havent seen you around, but ive been keeping odd hours
[23:56] zemanel: nothing much, work
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[23:56] zemanel: ive been away trying to make a living
[23:56] JimBastard: me too
[23:56] JimBastard: i spent all my money on nodejitsu
[23:56] JimBastard: now im spending other people's money
[23:56] JimBastard: :-D
[23:57] zemanel: nice :)
[23:57] zemanel: im looking into entrepreneurship myself
[23:57] zemanel: bootstraping
[23:57] zemanel: kind of hard atm
[23:57] JimBastard: start a node.js cloud hosting company, that seems to be the trend this week
[23:57] zemanel: nah im looking to start a node.js could company :)
[23:57] zemanel: cloud
[23:58] JimBastard: ohh yeah, thats a better idea for sure
[23:58] zemanel: nodejitsu's your startup right?
[23:58] JimBastard: aye
[23:58] JimBastard: and indexzero 
[23:58] zemanel: what do you do?
[23:58] JimBastard: can you be more specific ?
[23:59] zemanel: what do you do, in your startups?
[23:59] JimBastard: me personally? 
[23:59] zemanel: also 
[23:59] zemanel: like