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[00:01] ryah: aconbere: still haven't got a clean patch of your findModulePath thing
[00:01] yozlet: augustl_eee: I doubt it - bear in mind that 0.3.x is considered unstable (is it using the Linux even=stable scheme?)
[00:01] Rixius: how do you make a script run differently if it's called as a module?
[00:01] Rixius: so there
[00:01] Rixius: so there's a direct call functionality
[00:01] aconbere: ryah: heh
[00:02] aconbere: that latest one still isn't quite right?
[00:02] aconbere: ryah: is it worth me just redoing the patch?
[00:02] wattz: ryah: i have to say.... i have learned so much about v8 from node.  Good clean concise code man, kudos 
[00:02] aconbere: it's only one function and not hard to just rewrite the changes
[00:03] ryah: wattz: thx
[00:03] SubStack: Rixius: I usually do if (__filename === process.argv[1])
[00:03] ryah: aconbere: yes
[00:03] Rixius: Thanks SubStack
[00:03] ryah: aconbere: or learn rebase :)
[00:03] aconbere: ryah: haha, apparently I'm hopeless
[00:03] devinus: ryah: can you take a look at my pull req i just sent :)
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[00:04] wattz: ryah: you ever work with args.Data() (script->SetData(..)) ?
[00:04] CIA-54: node: 03Anders Conbere 07master * rc4f8f87 10/ test/simple/test-module-loading.js : (log message trimmed)
[00:04] CIA-54: node: adding module tests for .js and bare files
[00:04] CIA-54: node: Currently the module tests don't cover the cases for when a user
[00:04] CIA-54: node: requires a file with a request that includes the extension, and for a
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[00:04] ryah: wattz: no
[00:06] ryah: devinus: link?
[00:06] devinus: ryah: https://github.com/ry/node/pull/492
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[00:07] ryah: more colors!
[00:07] isaacs: ryah: more colors?
[00:07] devinus: more colors!
[00:12] mscdex: woohoo! typing notifications work now :-D
[00:12] mscdex: thanks to wireshark
[00:13] CIA-54: node: 03Devin Torres 07master * r8c6a7b5 10/ lib/util.js : Use more color in the repl, loosely inspired by TextMate's SunBurst theme - http://bit.ly/e7OimP
[00:14] mscdex: devinus: please tell me you got rid of blue on black
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[00:14] mscdex: looks like not
[00:14] mscdex: :(
[00:14] isaacs: fyi: I can't see anything that is "grey" in the termina.
[00:14] isaacs: *termina;
[00:14] isaacs: it's a huge pita
[00:15] isaacs: please specify background for any colors near white or black
[00:15] devinus: mscdex: there was too much blue, i agree. but black is sort of your terminal preferences
[00:15] devinus: not everyone has black backgrounds
[00:15] mscdex: not everyone has white backgrounds lol
[00:16] devinus: mscdex: right.
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[00:16] mscdex: i wish something like this could be overridden in say an environment variable
[00:16] mscdex: somehow
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[00:19] devinus: hrm
[00:20] isaacs: devinus, mscdex you know, you can specify the background along with the color.
[00:20] devinus: anybody know of a bsd licensed GUI lib?
[00:20] devinus: freakin everything out there is gpl :(
[00:20] isaacs: anything of very high or very low luminosity should be put on black or white, respectively.
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[00:20] isaacs: devinus: just use the ansi code.
[00:20] SubStack: devinus: just do a webapp
[00:20] mscdex: just do it
[00:20] devinus: SubStack: haha...yeah. :(
[00:20] mscdex: :-D
[00:21] devinus: tired of browsers :(
[00:21] devinus: damn
[00:21] devinus: bbl
[00:21] mscdex: isaacs: yeah, but it'd still be nice to override without changing core code
[00:22] SubStack: 
ACTION interrogates isaacs with uncomfortable lighting

[00:22] isaacs: 
ACTION is comfortable being well-lit

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[00:23] isaacs: mscdex: yeah, like a colorscheme var or something.  or maybe it could just specify a black or white bg whenever it's a white-ish or black-ish color (yellow, green, blue, and grey are typically the worst offenders)
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[00:24] mscdex: maybe a comma-separated list env var
[00:24] isaacs: it seems like this is on the accepted list, though, in which case, i may stop caring: http://code.google.com/p/iterm2/issues/detail?id=289
[00:24] mscdex: yeah, but for people who don't use iterm2 .... :p
[00:25] isaacs: maybe sys.inspect should use vim color schemes.
[00:25] isaacs: 256 color ones.
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[00:26] SubStack: hooray my silly persistence experiment using harmony proxies looks like it will work
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[00:29] tswicegood: ya know, it wouldn't be that hard to refactor out util.inspect color schemes to allow injecting them
[00:29] tswicegood: was thinking about that the other day -- made a note to come back to it when I had some spare time
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[00:34] cketti: hi. can anyone point me to a resource that explains this construct (line 17): https://github.com/cloudhead/thingler/blob/master/src/todo/todo.js#L17
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[00:47] meck: cketti: i'm not very well acquainted, but try this http://ejohn.org/blog/javascript-getters-and-setters/
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[00:49] aaron: anyone ever seen node return a http response (in this case from express) and chrome/firefox not respect/recognize the response as complete?
[00:49] rauchg_: aaron: are you using gzip or ssl ?
[00:49] aaron: gzip yes
[00:49] rauchg_: don't
[00:49] rauchg_: it's broken
[00:49] aaron: most pages work fine, not this one
[00:49] aaron: AHHH
[00:49] aaron: TY
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[00:49] aaron: I'll disable and see if my experience improves
[00:50] meck: cketti: a shorter description of getters: http://ajaxian.com/archives/getters-and-setters-in-javascript
[00:51] brendang: isaacs: g'day
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[00:52] wycats: I want to run node with the --log-snapshot-position v8 option
[00:52] wycats: how can I do this?
[00:52] cketti: meck: thanks
[00:52] creationix: cketti: it's part of the ES5 version of the language
[00:52] meck: np
[00:52] creationix: there is a page on the node wiki showing all the new stuff in es5
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[00:55] meck: https://github.com/ry/node/wiki/ECMA-5-Mozilla-Features-Implemented-in-V8
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[01:01] aaron: rauchg_: hmm looks like gzip isn't enabled
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[01:01] aaron: used to be, but I must have already removed that
[01:01] rauchg_: aaron: what middleware are you using
[01:02] aaron: connect 0.4
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[01:02] rauchg_: but when you go connect.createServer()
[01:02] rauchg_: what do you pass to it 
[01:02] aaron: logger, methodOverride, cookieDecoder, bodyDecoder, session, staticProvider
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[01:05] aaron: rauchg_: do you know of any good up-to-date reference app? I've been running this site w/ plenty of traffic, and most urls work just fine, just not this one. Ironically, its the most straightforward url I have: just renders a simple ejs file that takes no params
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[02:11] JimBastard: my whole body hurts soo much. i danced way too hard last night for the couchdb rap video
[02:11] JimBastard: 6+ hours of filming for a 1 minute video >.<
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[02:14] tanepiper: thats not much
[02:15] tanepiper: an average 1h 30m movie takes 6-8 weeks of filming
[02:15] tanepiper: and that doesn't include post production
[02:16] JimBastard: i think we are talking about different scales of production value here
[02:16] JimBastard: lol
[02:20] SubStack: JimBastard: another couchdb rap, is it?
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[02:21] JimBastard: SubStack: same one, we've just been working on it for a while
[02:21] JimBastard: right jchris :-)
[02:21] rauchg_: do people like your raps ?
[02:21] SubStack: neat
[02:21] JimBastard: rauchg_: not really
[02:21] rauchg_: are they viral ?
[02:21] SubStack: I thought the reddit rap was pretty good
[02:21] JimBastard: heimer time kinda went viral
[02:21] JimBastard: i uploaded it as an mp3 to a random forum, people uploaded it to youtube
[02:21] rauchg_: how many viewers
[02:22] JimBastard: that was a total joke though
[02:22] JimBastard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aJB7Le2_kU
[02:22] JimBastard: we use to do a lot of shows in the pre youtube era
[02:22] JimBastard: lots of touring
[02:22] SubStack: so there were shows before youtube?
[02:22] JimBastard: apparently yeah
[02:22] SubStack: crazy
[02:22] SubStack: but who watched them
[02:22] JimBastard: i even had a viral video before youtube
[02:23] JimBastard: kazaa style
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[02:47] sechrist: SubStack: I'm not sure I can just implement nextTick in the forever func
[02:48] SubStack: I mean just wrap the whole thing in a nextTick in your code and see what happens
[02:48] sechrist: forever is all chain
[02:48] sechrist: how could I do that?
[02:48] SubStack: everything inside forever()
[02:48] SubStack: inside like this:
[02:49] SubStack: forever(function () { process.nextTick(function () { /* here */ }) })
[02:49] sechrist: ooooh
[02:49] SubStack: just for kicks
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[03:27] mscdex: nothing like some groovy amiga music to code to
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[03:35] c4milo1: tim_smart: !
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[03:40] c4milo1: hey guys, what are you using to implement PubSubHubBub ? 
[03:40] c4milo1: with nodejs 
[03:41] c4milo1: rabbitmq ? redis ?
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[03:47] c4milo1: socket.io ? 
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[03:51] Aikar: ok im extremely confused, i have express with a static dir setup, and this works fine in firefox http://starlis.com/ui.html    but raphael-min.js throws an error on IE8. the EXACT same code works fine on raphaeljs.com so it seems like a transfer problem?
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[03:56] booths: So, I take it ry was talking about http://blog.mysyncpad.com/post/2073441622/node-js-vs-erlang-syncpads-experience earlier?
[03:57] booths: are those valid benchmarks, as far as memory
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[03:59] warz: ugh. wish express had a irc channel. heh
[04:01] drudge: this is pretty much it
[04:01] warz: well, i said that in a moment of frustration, but immedietly solved my problem lol
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[04:06] Dreamer3: what cool stuff are yu all doing with node?
[04:08] mscdex: writing an oscar protocol module!
[04:08] mscdex: and an imap module!
[04:08] mscdex: :>
[04:08] warz: trying to force a real time forum into existence
[04:08] mscdex: although there are probably cooler things going on
[04:08] warz: but these beers arent helpful
[04:09] mscdex: someone mentioned putting node + kinect + webgl together
[04:09] warz: now thats cool
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[04:14] AAA_awright: Anyone putting together an email server?
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[04:14] mscdex: i think someone started an smtp server somewhere on github
[04:15] mscdex: that's about it though
[04:16] Dreamer3: email is tough
[04:16] mscdex: the server portion is at least
[04:16] Rixius: how do you remove something from npm? i accidently published a package with the wrong name
[04:17] mscdex: when i did wrote my imap client module, it wasn't that bad really
[04:17] mscdex: significantly easier than oscar, that's for sure
[04:17] mscdex: Rixius: the unpublish command iirc
[04:18] Rixius: Thanks
[04:18] mscdex: https://github.com/isaacs/npm/blob/master/doc/unpublish.md
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[04:23] megana: does anyone here use expresso??
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[04:24] c4milo1: megana: yes
[04:25] megana: have you ever used it to make an assertion on an asychronous call?
[04:25] megana: I am just trying to write a connect to database test
[04:25] megana: expresso kind of just hangs
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[04:28] warz: Does anyone know why this statement isnt producing an unordered list of anchor elements: http://dpaste.com/282917/
[04:28] warz: it's the jade template engine
[04:28] warz: with express. so its kind of smaller use caser than nodejs.
[04:28] warz: but perhaps somebody uses it.
[04:29] AAA_awright: I would just use
[04:29] AAA_awright:   li a(href:user.email, title:user.name)
[04:29] megana: what if users was null
[04:29] c4milo1: megana: no unfortunatelly 
[04:29] AAA_awright: and actually the a needs to be on a new line
[04:29] AAA_awright: Otherwise it's text
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[04:29] warz: ah yea, becauses its coming out as plain text
[04:29] megana: why do you use jade? it seems kind of confusing
[04:30] AAA_awright: Jade is awesome
[04:30] warz: its super confusing, haha.
[04:30] warz: im just trying new things.
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[04:30] megana: try ejs
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[04:30] warz: eh. im going to make this weekend project using jade.
[04:30] warz: gotta give it a legit shot. :P
[04:30] megana: what is your weekend project?
[04:31] AAA_awright: - each user in users\n  li\n    a(href:users[user].email, title:users[user].name)
[04:31] AAA_awright: I think
[04:33] megana: so does anyone know how to write a test with an asynchronous assertion using expresso?
[04:33] AAA_awright: I know Vows is it similar?
[04:33] whyme: megana: in every callback fn write something like remainFn--
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[04:34] megana: remainFn--?
[04:34] whyme: um, do your own bookkeeping, i mean
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[04:34] whyme: [self promo] you can try my unit test framework :)
[04:34] warz: ah, got it!
[04:35] megana: okay
[04:35] whyme: [self promo] http://github.com/5long/reut
[04:35] warz: ended up being this: http://dpaste.com/282920/
[04:35] megana: whyme, how does your framework do async assertions?
[04:36] whyme: test.cb(function(){ /* guaranteed to be called before test ends*/})
[04:36] whyme: test.emits(ee, type) //assert some event fired before test ends
[04:36] whyme: test.timeout = 50 // a must for every async test
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[04:37] megana: so the test functions aren't just pojf's?
[04:38] whyme: they are.
[04:39] whyme: API is much like qunit/node-async-test
[04:39] megana: oh okay
[04:39] whyme: http://github.com/5long/reut/example/all_in_one.js
[04:39] whyme: um, sorry
[04:39] whyme: http://github.com/5long/reut/blob/master/example/all_in_one.js
[04:39] megana: thx :)
[04:40] whyme: :)
[04:42] AAA_awright: megana: Or just let an async testing framework like Vows do all of the bookkeeping for you
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[04:47] whyme: AAA_awright: I used vows a bit and end up with huge object literals
[04:48] whyme: also 6 level indent
[04:49] Fenda: how can i make sure i have the latest master of node using npm? and socket.io
[04:50] Fenda: socket.io using npm *
[04:50] Fenda: :D
[04:50] megana: master of node?
[04:50] SubStack: I like expresso
[04:50] c4milo1: SubStack: are you using socket.io in stackvm ? 
[04:50] SubStack: yes
[04:50] SubStack: vicariously through dnode
[04:51] whyme: SubStack: I see you're writing setTimeout/clearTimeout in test of Seq
[04:52] whyme: which can be simplified in my framework :)
[04:52] megana: his framework is neat
[04:52] SubStack: oh really?
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[04:53] whyme: yep, assert.timeout = 50 makes it
[04:53] whyme: and assert.cb(fn) to assert it called before end
[04:54] whyme: there's even stack trace for uncalled function
[04:54] megana: tI don't like the naming scheme though
[04:54] megana: what is this cb o_O
[04:54] whyme: um, short for callback
[04:54] megana: cranberry?
[04:54] megana: oh
[04:54] SubStack: I use cb too
[04:54] SubStack: and f and g
[04:54] whyme: 6 char less
[04:55] megana: so that's what's cool on the street now?
[04:55] naturalethic: is the v8 included with node modified in any way?
[04:55] whyme: ye, still collecting ideas
[04:56] megana: remember that bloody mary drink from the 90s that was supposed to be healthy called v8 splash?
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[05:04] booths: I don't think there's any merit to that claim of memory issues on that blog post. I'm just parsing large xml packets nonstop back to back and not going about like 20mb usage.
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[05:11] Rixius: so in thinking about how you can use `gem server` to read the rubyGems documentation I wrote nodeDocs [https://github.com/Rixius/nodeDocs] you can type `nodeDocs [port]` to host the node v0.3.1 docs at localhost
[05:12] Rixius: let me know what you think
[05:15] erlnoob: hey guys, when using socket.io, do you connect and disconnect as needed or do you just let the connection goes on indefinitely?
[05:16] whyme: Rixius: must be cool if integreated with npm
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[05:16] whyme: Rixius: and serves all the docs of packages
[05:17] Rixius: unfortunatly it's not that great lie the gem server
[05:17] Rixius: right now it's jst node's docs
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[05:18] whyme: yep we don't have Rdoc in node.
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[05:19] whyme: but "doc": {type: "markdown", path:"./docs"} in package.json might be fine
[05:19] whyme: Rixius: why not ping isaacs :)
[05:21] Rixius: i might... my original plan was just node's core documentation
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[05:28] Rixius: isaacs: you there able to read this?
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[06:00] richcollins: Any tips on profiling node?  My process is pegging the CPU, not sure why
[06:01] richcollins: nodeprofile isn't providing anything that I can decipher
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[06:25] erlnoob: anyone else having sudden socket.io connection disconnects after a connect-disconnect-connect sequence when using xhr-multipart and xhr-polling?
[06:27] naturalethic: anyone build node as a library?
[06:30] naturalethic: and what branch is 0.3 in?  i see a tag
[06:31] Aria: master
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[06:35] naturalethic: well that makes sense, i was working out of master before but the version reported was 0.1.x
[06:36] Aria: might need to make clean
[06:36] naturalethic: Aria: you or anyone build node as a library yet?
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[06:40] naturalethic: version reports good now
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[06:53] Taik: hey
[06:54] Taik: anyone can give me some hints in regards to this simple script? http://pastebin.ca/2010263
[06:54] Taik: basically deals with tcp clients
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[07:06] naturalethic: i see that 0.3 has --product-type in the configure -- nice!
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[07:11] naturalethic: hmm it still built an executable
[07:12] muk_mb: I finished Eloquent Javascript!
[07:15] naturalethic: aha .. make staticlib
[07:15] naturalethic: nice
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[08:00] RevoOf: hi. i see node-mysql, another node-mysql, node-mysql-native and node-mysql-libmysqlclient and have no idea which of them i should use.
[08:03] jameshome: at least you know what database you want to use!
[08:03] SubStack: couchdb ;)
[08:03] jameshome: hah
[08:03] SubStack: jameshome: I know right?
[08:03] jameshome: we are awesomely helpful
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[08:04] RevoOf: substack: i would really like to use couchdb. yet, i have to interact with an existing application
[08:05] SubStack: I know how that is
[08:06] sechrist: revolutionary interface for couchdb that does something called "blocking"
[08:06] sechrist: threads
[08:06] sechrist: welcome to 1993
[08:06] SubStack: sechrist: oh well I haven't actually used it yet
[08:06] SubStack: I am actually writing my own persistence lib right now
[08:06] SubStack: using harmony proxies
[08:06] sechrist: the problem with the infrastructure at my shop is python
[08:07] sechrist: doing anything async in python is nearly impossible
[08:07] SubStack: so very true
[08:07] sechrist: yes there is twisted
[08:07] sechrist: yes there is tornado
[08:07] sechrist: no, it doesn't matter
[08:07] SubStack: without real lambdas you're kinda stuck
[08:07] sechrist: "real" being the keyword there
[08:08] sechrist: now you can spawn threads in C++ libs w/ ctypes and execute callbacks
[08:08] SubStack: actually "lambda" is the keyword ;)
[08:08] sechrist: but that's still garbage
[08:08] SubStack: processes > threads
[08:08] SubStack: for everyday programming
[08:09] sechrist: there's people that argue that locking and sharing memory is better than IPC
[08:09] SubStack: especially when you've got good message-passing libraries
[08:10] SubStack: I suspect that poor RPC systems have bolstered threaded concurrency through a lack of alternatives
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[08:11] sechrist: and the reason I can't rewrite the python-based things that need high efficiency is that the engineering team decided they wanted to stick with the Django ORM for DB calls
[08:11] SubStack: sucks!
[08:11] sechrist: so when I do a query myself, my team members scream
[08:11] SubStack: ORM feels so wrong
[08:12] sechrist: it would be fine if we abstracted the orm into something that wasn't stuck in python
[08:12] SubStack: the programming model is bending to the storage mechanism
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[08:12] sechrist: thrift-based orm for accessing shit
[08:12] sechrist: or protobuf
[08:12] sechrist: we heavily use protocol buffers
[08:12] SubStack: instead of the storage mechanism bending to the programming model
[08:13] sechrist: yeah I will likely argue that we should implement the database orm in nodejs, but then we lose things like South
[08:13] sechrist: fuck django
[08:13] sechrist: but it's infinitely better than walking into a shop on enterprise java
[08:14] SubStack: well communism is better than fascism, but...
[08:14] sechrist: oh when we start having concurrency issues, which i've already warned them about
[08:14] sechrist: they'll be like
[08:14] sechrist: alright, we have to stop this bottleneck
[08:15] sechrist: basically I have node services that talk to a python service that handles the db calls, but that python service is blocking
[08:15] sechrist: it's the single most retarded thing i've ever heard of
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[08:24] naturalethic: RevoOf: use this one https://github.com/felixge/node-mysql
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[08:27] RevoOf: naturalethic: ok, thx, seams to be best currently. async, pure js, by felixge
[08:29] mscdex: man it's difficult switching from js to php to work on something
[08:29] mscdex: i kept using + to concatenate strings and wanted to use [] and push
[08:30] mscdex: and typeof
[08:30] mscdex: heh
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[08:30] SubStack: so close to this working
[08:33] mscdex: how's stackvm coming along?
[08:33] SubStack: pretty well I think
[08:33] sechrist: mscdex: I did it for awhile 
[08:33] SubStack: pkrumins has been messing with servers and silly tricks for scaling up
[08:33] sechrist: mscdex: I settled on php for webapp/html rendering, shared redis sessions, and nodejs for things that needed longlived connections
[08:33] sechrist: better than django imo
[08:34] sechrist: scaling php is more straightforward than mod_wsgi and crap
[08:34] mscdex: sechrist: oh, i just meant in general
[08:34] sechrist: oh the programming style?
[08:34] mscdex: yeah
[08:35] mscdex: the closest any of my nodejs projects have gotten to PHP is having to regex parse PHP sessions for stuff
[08:35] mscdex: heh
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[08:36] mscdex: mostly i still do php+mysql stuff though
[08:36] mscdex: like huge php projects that i have to maintain
[08:36] mscdex: as much as i'd love to convert them over to node, it'd take forever
[08:37] SubStack: stackvm stack is javascript all the way down
[08:37] SubStack: and a little bit of haskell running on the windows instances right now
[08:37] SubStack: it's quite nice
[08:37] sechrist: and heavy usage of pkill
[08:37] mscdex: are there any node-based cms or crm packages yet?
[08:39] sechrist: wow so that loading thing is the wallpaper
[08:40] SubStack: heh
[08:40] sechrist: I see the task bar
[08:40] sechrist: why do I see the taskbar
[08:40] sechrist: soun dis muted
[08:40] SubStack: because the script is broke
[08:40] SubStack: that is supposed to hide it
[08:40] SubStack: but in windows everything is hard
[08:40] sechrist: you do some registry settings to hide the start button?
[08:40] mscdex: that's a feature not a bug
[08:40] mscdex: ;-)
[08:40] sechrist: woah pskill again
[08:41] sechrist: killed explorer.exe it looks like
[08:41] sechrist: this sounds hard to pull off in windows
[08:42] mscdex: why is explorer running?
[08:43] sechrist: idk the session hanged
[08:43] sechrist: I was able to click the sound icon though
[08:44] sechrist: before pskill started freaking out
[08:44] sechrist: todo: write a reverse shell that connects and kills pskill
[08:44] sechrist: ???
[08:44] sechrist: profit
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[08:45] sechrist: so long as the browsers can run exes from temp download i think you has issues
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[08:45] mscdex: seems like maybe writing an addon that interfaces directly with the winapi to control stuff would be better
[08:46] mscdex: you could probably control that stuff too
[08:46] SubStack: well I don't have the rdesktop access so it'll be broken until pkrumins wakes up
[08:46] mscdex: be removing chrome stuff
[08:46] mscdex: *by
[08:46] mscdex: create new instances of the different renderers and embed that inside a custom window
[08:46] SubStack: mscdex: objection: that's hard
[08:46] sechrist: so it seems like the framebuffer and input layer between browser and node is solid
[08:46] sechrist: but everything else has yet to be implemented strongly
[08:47] sechrist: this is so backwards
[08:47] mscdex: SubStack: what's the hard part?
[08:47] SubStack: sechrist: because we only started rolling this out on real hardware pretty recently
[08:48] sechrist: gotta think CLOUD
[08:48] SubStack: windows shit is hard
[08:48] SubStack: everything else is trivial
[08:48] sechrist: render a huge desktop space, 9999x9999
[08:48] sechrist: split it up into squares
[08:48] sechrist: assign framebuffer to a square
[08:48] sechrist: and spawn a ton of little browsers in the bradybunch
[08:48] SubStack: sechrist: can't have multiple cursors
[08:48] mscdex: i've done windows programming before, so i guess that's why i was asking
[08:48] sechrist: lame
[08:48] mscdex: heh
[08:49] sechrist: abuse fast user switching
[08:49] sechrist: but giving each browser it's own login context sounds ridiculous
[08:49] SubStack: well the whole thing is a bit ridiculous
[08:49] SubStack: it'll get better this week probably
[08:49] sechrist: and for that, RDP would have to be implemented
[08:49] sechrist: instead of vnc
[08:49] sechrist: unless you spawn a bunch in advance
[08:49] SubStack: nope, actually!
[08:49] sechrist: and load balance
[08:50] SubStack: you can run vnc sessions in multiple sessions simultaneously
[08:50] sechrist: noice
[08:50] SubStack: there is a trick you can pull with rdesktop to automate this
[08:50] sechrist: then, how do you do fair cpu scheduling between user's browsers so if I spawn a js loop I don't kill yo shiz?
[08:51] SubStack: sechrist: I have no idea how windows does scheduling, don't ask me :p
[08:51] sechrist: xen for browsers
[08:52] sechrist: omg
[08:52] sechrist: hacker news top
[08:52] sechrist: <3 pkrumins 
[08:52] SubStack: hah he was just complaining about that
[08:53] SubStack: people submitting patches and he doesn't care about it anymore
[08:53] mscdex: well you can certainly change the priority for a process
[08:53] sechrist: linkifying a terminal sounds required
[08:53] sechrist: so
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[08:54] sechrist: SubStack: the stackVM stuff is open source?
[08:55] SubStack: the core of it is agplv3
[08:55] sechrist: agpl? lmfao
[08:55] SubStack: well I started hacking on it back in january
[08:56] SubStack: and wanted to use a keymap from guacamole, which is agpl
[08:56] sechrist: the agpl is the worst license ever
[08:56] SubStack: now have a node module for that
[08:56] sechrist: I think code.google.com banned it
[08:56] SubStack: meh
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[08:57] sechrist: o wait you send data over the internet from a proprietary service that links with something from agpl?
[08:57] sechrist: gime your IP sourcez plz
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[08:58] SubStack: we'll fix up the open part of it as soon as we're getting good cashflow from browserling and others
[08:59] sechrist: I was joking -- hinting that perhaps stackvm should be closed source
[08:59] SubStack: well there are already html5ish vnc viewers
[08:59] SubStack: it's not like people aren't already doing stuff like this
[09:00] sechrist: ah so it just does api calls to spin up shiz and vnc view?
[09:00] SubStack: there are a lot of hacks that make it go
[09:00] SubStack: it's such a huge pain in the ass to get this shit running as a service that I'm not worried about competitors
[09:01] sechrist: that's pretty much the idea of the company i'm with now
[09:01] sechrist: it's so fucked to do what we're doing
[09:01] sechrist: we're safe
[09:01] sechrist: making skype/facetime/telepresence/polycom/tandberg/lifesize/freeswitch all talk together
[09:01] sechrist: in a cloud
[09:02] sechrist: all over the world, with low latency and lip sync
[09:02] sechrist: is not simple :)
[09:03] sechrist: but that's why there's funding
[09:03] sechrist: a valley-hacker team with funding could do what browserling wants to do successfully fairly quick
[09:03] SubStack: cross-browser testing is yak shaving no matter what you do
[09:04] sechrist: now if you tied in selenium-type functionality to where it's selenium in the cloud
[09:04] sechrist: that would be sick
[09:05] SubStack: sauce labs already does that
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[09:05] sechrist: o rly?
[09:05] sechrist: our QA team sucks so much that we're going to phase them out and just use selenium
[09:05] sechrist: most likely
[09:06] sechrist: but I mean on top of the webapp testing we have a whole suite of healthcheck and sanity checks for videoconferencing which is a pain to put together
[09:08] sechrist: so like if I could point something like browserling at a dev build running on our cluster internally
[09:08] sechrist: that would make it so much easier to do browser testing during development
[09:08] SubStack: planning on having a reverse-proxy script for that
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[09:09] sechrist: I'm not going to juggle browsers on windows, mac, and linux while editing templates through VIM on an ubuntu workstation
[09:09] SubStack: so you run a script on your end that proxies your web service through our stack
[09:09] sechrist: thus browserling becomes amazing
[09:09] sechrist: also -- variable resolutions 
[09:09] sechrist: important
[09:09] SubStack: we just figured out how to change the resolution at runtime
[09:10] sechrist: high five
[09:10] sechrist: once you start getting to where you're suitable for companies to try private beta things
[09:10] sechrist: let me know and i'm sure my company would be salivating
[09:11] sechrist: I told some of the webapp team about it and they didn't believe it
[09:12] sechrist: SubStack: how is flash performance over vnc in the browser?
[09:13] sechrist: or anything animated for that matter
[09:13] SubStack: depends on the type of animation
[09:14] sechrist: I mean like does it go at 1fps, 5fps, 15fps
[09:14] sechrist: under most favorable conditions, like you have it running localhost
[09:14] SubStack: it is not fps
[09:14] SubStack: vnc works on rectangular updates
[09:14] sechrist: ah, right
[09:15] SubStack: but if you look at video 2 on stackvm.com
[09:15] sechrist: I guess my real question is -- how much worse is vnc in html5 over websockets with your implementation vs native vnc
[09:15] SubStack: we were using an opengl app between north america and europe
[09:15] sechrist: I saw that -- and it looked like clicks took seconds to go through
[09:15] sechrist: could be just underwater cable latency but :\
[09:16] SubStack: yeah well my internet in Alaska sucked
[09:17] sechrist: echo *?
[09:17] sechrist: wat
[09:17] chapel: you guys see this? http://blog.mysyncpad.com/post/2073441622/node-js-vs-erlang-syncpads-experience
[09:17] SubStack: being silly recalling how my dsl model ran busybox without ls
[09:17] SubStack: but had echo *
[09:18] sechrist: hackernews old
[09:18] sechrist: I am pretty sure everybody in #node.js reads hn daily
[09:19] mscdex: not me
[09:19] mscdex: i never read it
[09:19] mscdex: heh
[09:19] chapel: :)
[09:19] mscdex: i have better things to do
[09:19] mscdex: like read slashdot and engadget
[09:19] mscdex: :p
[09:21] sechrist: reddit obviously
[09:21] sechrist: but hn is like the best of all of the tech blogs
[09:21] sechrist: in one location
[09:21] SubStack: r/node should be more active
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[09:21] SubStack: everybody uses the mailing list I guess
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[09:22] SubStack: I hate mailing lists
[09:22] sechrist: i went from reading every message
[09:22] sechrist: to reading digests
[09:22] sechrist: to not reading digests
[09:22] sechrist: now I don't know shit that goes on in node
[09:22] sechrist: like utils
[09:22] mscdex: i use the google groups interface
[09:23] sechrist: btw, the node-inspector guy got back to me on that fatal flaw of the profiler
[09:23] sechrist: and apparently it's fundamental changes in v8 that's required to really fix it
[09:23] sechrist: well v8's profiler anyway
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[09:23] sechrist: the way it schleps data is pretty lame
[09:24] sechrist: entire heap? lets put that in a huge json array and not stream it!
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[09:27] sechrist: So does V8 have a 'GIL' in the same sense that other dynamic languages do?
[09:27] sechrist: I mean it's completely moot because the whole paradigm is based around processes for concurrency
[09:28] sechrist: or does v8 not need that because it doesn't have javascript-exposed threads?
[09:29] whyme: it's just threadless
[09:30] sechrist: so ryan's implementation of the libev and libeio pretty much just avoided that whole problem all together it seems
[09:33] lianj: libev reactor can be seen as a GIL iirc
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[11:10] stephank: Ambitious this man is: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4353107/is-it-possible-to-make-node-js-use-rhino-as-the-javascript-engine
[11:11] micheil: the question is: why would you want to?
[11:12] stephank: He says he wants to run his existing node.js applications on PPC.
[11:13] micheil: hmm, isn't PPC really quite old hardware?
[11:14] stephank: I still see a lot of Freescale stuff in embedded platforms. Maybe he wants to build a cluster of Wiis running node.js. :)
[11:15] micheil: heh, maybe.
[11:15] sechrist: if node's io was applied to a pluggable javascript engine
[11:15] sechrist: my god
[11:15] micheil: either way, it'd be a massive task; and the other questions are: do libev and libeio run on PPC?
[11:16] sechrist: porting v8 would be a better (yet much larger) task
[11:16] stephank: I'm just guessing, but I don't think those are tied to a platform per se.
[11:16] stephank: More tied to the OS.
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[11:16] micheil: hmm, okay
[11:17] stephank: sechrist: sounds tedious, but there is this: https://wiki.mozilla.org/NPAPI:Pepper
[11:17] sechrist: replying that he would be alone in maintaining it would be a stretch
[11:17] sechrist: if this implemented straight into java code -- I would see enterprises jumping
[11:17] sechrist: however all of that code is blocking so not much point
[11:18] stephank: I'm not even sure if pepper is an option, but I think they have a browser independent API for binding JS
[11:18] sechrist: when you can implement an async call to the java crap now over a socket faster than rhino could keep up :)
[11:19] sechrist: so -- ripping out spidermonkey in favor of v8 inside firefox
[11:19] sechrist: doet
[11:19] sechrist: then implement inspector
[11:19] sechrist: mozillakit
[11:20] sechrist: might as well also implement it with squirrelfish
[11:20] sechrist: or "nitro"
[11:20] stephank: sechrist: Nah, the aim is a new browser plugin API. Hmm.. I'm not sure where I read about javascript stuff, though. It's not on that page
[11:21] sechrist: well actually
[11:21] sechrist: a ton of the nodejs library is done in JS after the low level IO stuff
[11:21] sechrist: it might not be that bad
[11:22] sechrist: but still it's libeio and ev to worry about
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[11:39] naturalethic: whats a good primer on writing an async c++ module?
[11:47] stephank: naturalethic: Depends a bit on what you want. Do you have a file descriptor, or just a blocking function you want to wrap?
[11:47] naturalethic: i'm tying in a gui
[11:47] naturalethic: so looks like i'll need idle events
[11:48] naturalethic: i wonder if anyone else has done any gui work with node yet
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[11:49] stephank: naturalethic: Oompf. Well, I don't know of anyone. So is this a GUI with it's own event loop, and you want to signal the node.js event loop?
[11:50] naturalethic: yeah i gotta mix these two loops -- but i need them to be on the same thread as well
[11:50] naturalethic: i'd prefer the gui to take priority of course
[11:51] naturalethic: actually I might be able to put them on separate threads, i'd have to look into that
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[11:52] micheil: yeah, there's tim_smart, who's been working on gtk bindings
[11:52] micheil: there's also rasmus andersson, who's been embedding node in os x apps
[11:52] naturalethic: nice, that's what i'm looking at (os x)
[11:53] micheil: not sure how much code is available though
[11:53] micheil: gtihub.com/rsms
[11:53] stephank: naturalethic: I normally try to avoid threads, but mixing event loops sounds even trickier. In any case, node's event loop is just libev: http://pod.tst.eu/http://cvs.schmorp.de/libev/ev.pod
[11:53] micheil: totally miss typed that.
[11:53] naturalethic: yep looking at  that document now
[11:55] micheil: it is possible to make node use another event loop, I just don't know specifics
[11:55] naturalethic: micheil: any links to rasmus work?
[11:55] micheil: not really.
[11:55] micheil: I don't think it's that public; but I did see talk of it on one of the mailing lists
[11:56] micheil: back later.
[11:56] naturalethic: heh i'm looking at his github, seeing gists with mac os runloop code in them :)
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[12:38] augustl: there's no file globbing in node right?
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[12:40] jetienne_: augustl: if you plan to implement it. becarefulfnmatch is not available on all plateform
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[12:45] augustl: jetienne_: the match regexp method you mean?
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[12:47] jetienne_: augustl: nope the globbing one, the one used in shell pathname extension. it was just a remark because i remember having problems while porting codes of mine
[12:48] jetienne_: augustl: thinking about it. it may be a good idea for node... to convert the globbing match into a regexp match... it would be pure js and would take advantage of the regexp speed of v8
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[13:09] augustl: perhaps it can be written as some sort of C++ module. I don't know C++, but I guess it has globbing?
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[13:20] linac: why make test always fail at test-securepair-client.js
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[13:32] jwl: there are no node.js cms like drupal i guess?
[13:33] erlnoob: v8> 1+1
[13:33] v8bot: erlnoob: 2
[13:33] erlnoob: v8> Date.now()
[13:33] v8bot: erlnoob: 1291469637195
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[14:13] pietern: v8> process.env
[14:13] v8bot: pietern: ReferenceError: process is not defined
[14:13] pietern: lol
[14:14] naturalethic: i think it's just v8 without node
[14:14] V1: ^ indeed
[14:14] pietern: it would make sense if it was node
[14:14] pietern: creating an irc bot seems pretty easy with node
[14:15] pietern: but maybe it's sandboxed?
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[14:18] chapel: it is sandboxed
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[14:19] V1: pietern: It could call a childProcess to the V8 commandline
[14:19] pietern: V1: makes sense as well
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[14:29] whyme: v8: typeof global
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[14:29] whyme: v8: typeof GLOBAL
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[14:41] V1: Oh, I just broke the node repl
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[14:41] V1: if you type: function(){ var pewpew = "string", bool=true, array=[], obj = {}, regexp = /g/g; return pewpew}.toString() in the node.js repl odd stuff happens
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[14:42] V1: ( function(){}.toString() also kills it )
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[15:13] stagas: is there a markdown module that will do something like: var formatted = markdown(text)
[15:15] Ond: How's this look https://github.com/andris9/node-markdown
[15:16] stagas: Ond: nice thanks
[15:16] Ond: You bet
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[15:47] guybrush: stagas: https://github.com/evilstreak/markdown-js
[15:47] guybrush: (works also in browser)
[15:50] guybrush: i recommend doing a `npm ls <anything you want to search for>` besides googling for stuff
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[15:50] stagas: guybrush: cool thanks
[15:51] stagas: guybrush: I think I'm gonna use the browser version :)
[15:51] stagas: guybrush: you can just degrade to plain text if no js which is ok
[15:51] stagas: (in my case)
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[16:06] kkaefer: stagas, guybrush: adding "site:github.com" also helps when googling ;)
[16:08] stagas: wow this is one of the longest intervals of conversation ever
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[16:08] stagas: if that makes sense
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[16:17] kkaefer: stagas: guess what, we can extend that conversation pretty much infinitely ;)
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[16:27] schakko: hello everybody
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[16:28] stagas: schakko: hi
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[16:35] schakko: Are there any plans of an I� driver for node.js? 
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[16:40] junkee[]: i get an error when i require my add-on: undefined symbol: _ZN4ngtk11NodeGObject20constructor_templateE
[16:40] junkee[]: no errors/warnings while compiling
[16:40] bpadalino: ngtk::NodeGObject::constructor_template ?
[16:41] junkee[]: i thing it should be but it's like above
[16:41] bpadalino: right, but it mangles the names .. do you not have that symbol defined ?
[16:43] junkee[]: static v8::Persistent<v8::FunctionTemplate> constructor_template;
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[16:44] junkee[]: so yes, i have
[16:44] bpadalino: have you checked your resulting objects to make sure you get the same symbols being exported ?
[16:45] junkee[]: how can i?
[16:45] bpadalino: nm will help out .. and you can pipe it through c++filt
[16:47] naturalethic: anyone have an example of a simple watcher that will just keep the node process running?
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[16:47] chapel: naturalethic: check out forever
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[16:48] junkee[]: nm gtk.node | grep _ZN4ngtk11NodeGObject20constructor_templateE
[16:48] junkee[]: U _ZN4ngtk11NodeGObject20constructor_templateE
[16:48] guybrush: isaacs: <3 `npm explore`, makes tiny changes/tryout on stuff very easy
[16:48] naturalethic: lol duh i guess that's what that's for
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[16:48] naturalethic: been seeing people talk about it
[16:48] junkee[]: i thing that means it was exported
[16:49] bpadalino: nah, U means it's undefined
[16:49] naturalethic: chapel: actually this isn't going to work for my case
[16:49] tjholowaychuk: e/clear
[16:49] tjholowaychuk: doh
[16:50] naturalethic: chapel: i'm embedding node, i just want to put a hook in the ev stuff to keep node from closing it's thread
[16:50] junkee[]: why is it in the list if its not defined?
[16:50] chapel: yeah I have no idea
[16:51] schakko: @junkee[] did you define constant_template in .h __and__ .cc/.cpp file or only in .cpp?
[16:51] junkee[]: .h
[16:52] schakko: @junkee[] github repo url? i'll try check it.
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[16:53] schakko: @junkee you need to define the constant_template in .h __and__ .cc
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[16:54] junkee[]: Arrg! You're right!
[16:54] schakko: @junkee[] in .cpp: Persistent<FunctionTemplate> ngtik::NodeGObject::constructor_template and everything is fine
[16:56] junkee[]: That's it! thx
[16:56] schakko: no problem :-)
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[16:59] sriley: hi, is there a way to use the parseCookie function from connects utils.js?
[17:01] tjholowaychuk: sriley: require('connect').utils.parseCookie
[17:03] sriley: cheers
[17:06] sriley: with express being built on connect, is it accessible via express somehow?
[17:08] tjholowaychuk: sriley: same way
[17:08] tjholowaychuk: if you dont want to use the cookieDecoder middleware
[17:11] sriley: the cookieDecoder doesnt do the cookies within a socket.io connection, guessing there isnt a way to get it to do those?
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[17:12] tjholowaychuk: no it is strictly for http
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[17:18] naturalethic: Anyone? : "_ev_default_loop_ptr", referenced from: _ev_default_loop_uc in Mylib.o Symbol(s) not found
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[17:19] naturalethic: that symbol exists in the node lib, as it runs fine, but when I try to reference from mine its absent
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[17:22] logik-bomb: Hi all
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[17:23] schakko: @naturalethic Did you use "-L<path to libev> -lev" as compile option?
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[17:23] schakko: @logik-bomb hi
[17:23] naturalethic: schakko: it's already compiled statically into libnode
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[17:24] schakko: @naturalethic Hm, but seems not to be so ;-)
[17:24] naturalethic: schakko: and i'm linking libnode into my own app -- node itself is running event code fine -- i link to the ev_ function fine too in my app, it's only that particular symbol that is absent
[17:25] naturalethic: schakko: i've hacked in a workaround for now
[17:25] schakko: @naturalethic ah, okay. 
[17:29] schakko: @naturalethic I'm not a C/C++ guru, but ev_default_loop_uc is defined as "static inline" and so only available in the ev/libnode module and not in your lib?
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[17:30] naturalethic: oh maybe that's why
[17:30] naturalethic: heh
[17:30] naturalethic: schakko: i'm not either, i'm just stumbling around and making a mess
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[17:31] schakko: @naturalethic bad prerequisites :-)
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[17:37] naturalethic: schakko: i was exaggerating a little -- do you by chance know where signal_watchers are exposed in the javascript context?
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[17:40] schakko: @naturalethic uh... no, sorry.
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[17:43] schakko: @naturalethic as far as I know you use only ev_signal_stop/ev_signal_start for destroy/create signal watchers. But the signals are not exposed to JS context automatically. 
[17:44] naturalethic: schakko: node_signal_watcher.h/cc defines an object wrapper for that, but I don't know if it's yet being exposed
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[17:46] jashkenas: yo naturalethic ... what sort of thing are you working on? between the coffee, objc, libnode ... it sounds really interesting.
[17:46] naturalethic: jashkenas: cocoa<->nodejs (with coffee)
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[17:47] naturalethic: making good progress
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[17:48] jamescarr_: nice to be done with Rich Web Experience. I think I got some good exposure for node.js ;)
[17:48] jashkenas: As in ... write a cocoa app from within a Node process?
[17:48] jashkenas: Like a regular desktop app, or some sort of GUI/server thing?
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[17:50] naturalethic: jashkenas: i started with a module, so you would require it in, and make calls into cocoa -- i've switched to doing an app bundle -- ultimately i'll support both
[17:50] schakko: @naturalethic SignalWatcher seems not be exposed to JavaScript context
[17:51] naturalethic: schakko: that's fine for now, i just hacked node to not exit on its own
[17:52] naturalethic: jashkenas: so ideally for this first stage, you just start a new cocoa project like any other, but write your app code in coffee (or js) instead of objective-c
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[17:52] schakko: sounds interesting
[17:53] naturalethic: basically, macruby, but with node
[17:53] jashkenas: naturalethic: Have you looked at their "HotCocoa" compatibility apis?
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[17:54] naturalethic: i've looked at hotcocoa briefly --
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[18:10] bingomanatee: Question: when node.js reaches the end of a script it should return control to Bash, right? Sometimes it does for my scripts, and sometimes it doesnt. Why would this be?]
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[18:16] bingomanatee: source example: http://pastebin.com/chCCspkN
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[18:20] logik-bomb: is there any node.js book ?
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[18:33] paulrobinson: logik-bomb https://github.com/visionmedia/masteringnode
[18:33] logik-bomb: thanks paulrobinson 
[18:34] paulrobinson: also decent is http://peepcode.com/products/nodejs-i
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[18:35] logik-bomb: nice thanks
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[18:36] naturalethic: bingomanatee: if you have something running in the event loop it won't return
[18:37] naturalethic: for example, an open connection to mongo
[18:37] bingomanatee__: ah. that explains a lot thanks. 
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[18:42] bingomanatee__: is there a way to dump the event loop so I can view it?
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[18:50] naturalethic: bingomanatee__ not that i know of
[18:50] bingomanatee__: okay process.exit() seems to give me control back -- is there any risk to usinga  "forced" exit like this?
[18:50] naturalethic: nah
[18:51] naturalethic: its cool
[18:51] naturalethic: of course you'll want to be sure you are waiting on any db updates, or whatnot
[18:52] bingomanatee__: ah. 
[18:52] naturalethic: *aren't
[18:52] bingomanatee__: I noticed that it seems like every module creates its own EventEmitter instance - do they all manage the same event stack or are you creating several independant event stacks every time you instantiate an EventEmitter?
[18:53] bingomanatee__: yes I got it. 
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[19:05] AAA_awright: bingomanatee__: EventEmitter is just the module that calls registered hooks, it's not the source of the events
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[19:21] logik-bomb: peepcode is a bit expensive :/
[19:21] logik-bomb: does anyone know about some coupons? 
[19:21] logik-bomb: thanks
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[19:29] faure: anyone know how to render multiple views on one page using express js?
[19:30] tjholowaychuk: faure: partials?
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[19:30] faure: k, i will try that
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[19:34] naturalethic: anyone had any luck with ObjectTemplate->SetCallAsFunctionHandler ?
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[19:37] aconbere: ryah: how clean do you want this patch to be? :) if I just rewrite the changes ontop of the master, it's still not a pretty diff (git interlaces the changes in the file)
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[19:37] aconbere: I'm not sure if there's a way to make that look nicer
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[19:43] Aikar: its snowing in NC :3
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[19:51] mraleph: naturalethic: what's your problem with ObjectTemplate?
[19:52] naturalethic: mraleph: SetCallAsFunctionHandler doesn't seem to be taking
[19:52] jamescarr_: "Tools like JavaScript will unleash a new wave of creativity and transform the Internet in ways no one can predict. JavaScript and other developments will demand increased system performance, ideally met by Digital's Alpha systems architecture."
[19:52] jamescarr_: lol
[19:52] jamescarr_: http://web.archive.org/web/20070916144913/http://wp.netscape.com/newsref/pr/newsrelease67.html
[19:53] mraleph: naturalethic: hmm. can you post your code somewhere? it should work.
[19:54] naturalethic: mraleph: i got sidetracked, i'll come back to it in a bit here
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[19:57] jashkenas: fun with unary.
[19:57] jashkenas: v8: +-+-+-+-+-1
[19:57] v8bot: jashkenas: -1
[19:57] jashkenas: v8: +-+-++-+-+-1
[19:57] v8bot: jashkenas: ReferenceError: Invalid left-hand side expression in prefix operation
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[19:58] tjholowaychuk: v8: +[]-[]+
[19:58] v8bot: tjholowaychuk: SyntaxError: Unexpected end of input
[19:58] tjholowaychuk: v8: +[]-[]
[19:58] v8bot: tjholowaychuk: 0
[19:59] tjholowaychuk: v8: []/+-[]
[19:59] v8bot: tjholowaychuk: NaN
[19:59] tjholowaychuk: looks funny
[19:59] omni5cience: lol
[19:59] aconbere: can anyone besides ry close issues?
[19:59] jashkenas: you should be able to, if you opened it.
[19:59] aconbere: I was thinking about doing some triaging with some free time today
[20:00] aconbere: jashkenas: sorry, people other than ry and the author, (are there contributors to the githup project is the same question I think)
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[20:02] aconbere: there apear to be a bunch of issues right now that just need someone to verify that a particular patch went in, and to close them
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[20:06] jashkenas: you can ask him to make you a collaborator on the repo.
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[20:21] tjholowaychuk: looks funny
[20:21] tjholowaychuk: whoops
[20:21] tjholowaychuk: fuck
[20:21] tjholowaychuk: haha
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[20:30] aconbere: mikeal: ping
[20:30] mikeal: hiya
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[20:31] aconbere: taking a look at your issue regarding writing to streams that might be close
[20:31] aconbere: d
[20:31] aconbere: https://github.com/ry/node/issues#issue/95
[20:31] aconbere: mostly I thought it would be interesting to try to reduce this to a minimal test case
[20:31] mikeal: so
[20:31] mikeal: ry is removing readyState soon
[20:31] aconbere: ah
[20:31] aconbere: okay
[20:31] aconbere: that being said
[20:31] mikeal: and this *should* go away
[20:31] aconbere: net.Stream looks like it's just a little broken
[20:32] mikeal: steams.Stream is the new stream :)
[20:32] aconbere: heh
[20:33] aconbere: so maybe you could fix your issue just by making httpClient inherit from stream.Stream
[20:33] aconbere: instead of net.stream :P
[20:33] aconbere: net.Stream.destroy
[20:33] aconbere: removes access to the writeWatcher
[20:33] aconbere: before triggering any of your callbacks
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[20:34] mikeal: it's not that simple
[20:34] aconbere: (and doesn't protect access to that attribute)
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[20:34] mikeal: pquerna has an entire branch that does just that
[20:34] aconbere: fun
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[20:35] aconbere: out of sheer curiosity why is it so complex?
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[20:35] mikeal: go and look at http.js :)
[20:35] Anti-X: do you mean complex or complicated?
[20:35] mikeal: it's a little nuts
[20:35] aconbere: yes
[20:36] aconbere: I've been in there this morning looking at this issue :)
[20:36] mikeal: changing out the underlying stream implementation is pretty far reaching
[20:36] aconbere: ah
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[20:36] mikeal: like, all of those readyState checks would change
[20:36] aconbere: I mean I basically looked at http.js long enough to know that your issue was in net.stream
[20:36] mikeal: to checking .readable and .writable
[20:36] aconbere: well if pquerna has a branch that does this that sounds awesome
[20:37] aconbere: otherwise, working on net.stream doesn't sound like fun
[20:37] mikeal: so like, writable should be turned to false in a listener on "end" or "close"
[20:37] mikeal: not independently 
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[20:38] aconbere: in the short term, if you wanted to make net.stream more robust
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[20:38] aconbere: I think you could save yourself some weird edge cases by making a getter
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[20:39] aconbere: or checking the existenc of _writeQueue before calling any methods on it
[20:39] aconbere: destroy seems like a pretty naughty function on that object
[20:40] aconbere: and since you know more than I do about the plans here
[20:40] aconbere: do you think you could put some of what you told me in the issue?
[20:41] aconbere: then other happless triagers wont have the same issue :)
[20:41] bingomanatee__: Okay I am still a little confused why http://pastebin.com/tKk5bteN hangs - if I try to MANUALLY kill the db connection I get an error; if I just kill the EventProvider instance, the application never ends. 
[20:42] bingomanatee__: How can I get the script to just run through and exit out the other side without forcing an process.exit()?
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[20:48] pHcF: http://birdch.at/ in nodejs :D
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[21:00] bingomanatee__: Interesting!
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[21:03] bingomanatee__: getting a "bad gateway" error
[21:04] pHcF: bingomanatee__: sorry
[21:05] pHcF: bingomanatee__: i'm doing some server updates
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[21:05] bingomanatee__: no problem - I very much like the conceit.
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[21:05] bingomanatee__: keep it up. 
[21:05] pHcF: bingomanatee__: thanks! :)
[21:05] bingomanatee__: keep me up with your progress - dave@wonderlandlabs.com
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[21:06] pHcF: i will
[21:06] bingomanatee__: You should make it a Facebook app and have the perfect Trifecta !
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[21:09] pHcF: bingomanatee__: heheheh
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[21:12] bingomanatee__: So are you just using Twitter as a login mechanic or do you generate twit trails when you use your chat app?
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[21:17] AAA_awright: Anyone know of a good RDF store that works with Nodejs?
[21:18] CIA-54: node: 03Anders Conbere 07master * r6d81a48 10/ src/node.js : 
[21:18] CIA-54: node: My changes applied to a clean branch from master
[21:18] CIA-54: node: Again, this simple reworks the two functions traverser and
[21:18] CIA-54: node: findModulePath into a more readable form. This is not the supposed end
[21:18] CIA-54: node: of these changes, but a first change that should make future changes
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[21:21] CIA-54: node: 03Anders Conbere 07master * re9c7195 10/ src/node.js : 
[21:21] CIA-54: node: Reworks the two functions traverser and findModulePath into a more readable form.
[21:21] CIA-54: node: This is not the supposed end of these changes, but a first change that
[21:21] CIA-54: node: should make future changes easier to reason about. - http://bit.ly/hXeNsp
[21:21] ryah: forced push coming. sorry
[21:21] bingomanatee__: AAA_awright - I am not too familiar with RDF but you might look at Mongo - you can calcify trees very easily in BSON. 
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[21:22] AAA_awright: bingomanatee__: Possibly, but I need to evaluate SPARQL queries against it
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[21:23] xonecas: Hey everyone, how can I delete a file (a symlink actually) using node?
[21:23] xonecas: (i'm on a linux box, so something like rm?)
[21:23] AAA_awright: xonecas: fs.unlink
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[21:24] AAA_awright: The Poxix command to remove a file (hardlink) or a link (softlink) is unlink()
[21:24] bingomanatee__: Can't help you there. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2063285/usage-of-mongodb-as-a-rdfstore-for-data-objects pushes a user towards neo4j 
[21:24] xonecas: AAA_awright: Thank you, 'll go read about it in the docs
[21:24] bingomanatee__: but I can't speak towards whether there is an adapter for node or you'd have to roll your own.
[21:25] AAA_awright: *Posix
[21:25] AAA_awright: *POSIX
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[21:29] cainus__: hey all... anyone know if I can run node.js apps on some cloud-computing platform?
[21:30] AAA_awright: cainus__: Why wouldn't you be able to?
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[21:31] cainus__: well GAE seems to be a non-started... needs to be python or jvm-based
[21:31] AAA_awright: ...what is "cloud computing" here?
[21:31] cainus__: non-starter
[21:31] cainus__: easily resizable computing capacity
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[21:32] AAA_awright: A lot of "cloud" platforms are just resizable virtual machines so yeah
[21:32] jvolkman: cainus__: surely you can run it on ec2
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[21:33] cainus__: EC2 doesn't have the strictness of GAE?
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[21:36] cainus__: ahh yeah EC2 is just a linux vm
[21:36] cainus__: very cool
[21:36] cainus__: alright thanks guys
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[21:40] CIA-54: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r5a21138 10/ src/node.js : fix global leak - http://bit.ly/h3pY73
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[21:41] CIA-54: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * rfbdff52 10/ test/simple/test-buffer.js : Fix global leaks in test-buffer.js - http://bit.ly/efHpTk
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[21:53] mscdex: d'oh, looks like there's some console issues on cygwin
[21:54] mscdex: tty stuff anyway
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[22:00] bingomanatee__: I would be very reluctant to work with Node on a windows box unless that was my final deployment platform. 
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[22:00] bingomanatee__: Macs are a good sloppty seconds but I'd reccommend an Ubuntu dev environment. 
[22:01] creationix: 
ACTION is trying to get an Envy 14 for to use Ubuntu on

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[22:07] AAA_awright: webr3: Are you using any RDF databases with Node.js?
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[22:10] xonecas: Howdy, I'm getting stuck with throwing a possible error
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[22:11] xonecas: I'm getting a unexpected 'throw' statement error when I try to validade a fs.readdir
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[22:12] xonecas: I can show the code
[22:12] xonecas: :-)
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[22:13] bingomanatee__: pastebin.com is the best way to do this...
[22:13] bingomanatee__: (show code)
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[22:15] c4milo1: or gist.github.com :)
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[22:17] mscdex: wow i think there is something seriously wrong with node on cygwin :S
[22:17] mscdex: can't write files either, i have no idea how so many of the tests are supposedly passing
[22:23] sechrist: there's something wrong with cygwin
[22:23] sechrist: fixed that for you
[22:24] xonecas: bingomanatee__: http://pastebin.com/PLSX58Sn
[22:24] mscdex: no, it used to work fine at one point
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[22:26] xonecas: http://pastebin.com/PLSX58Sn -- gives me unexpected token 'throw' any ideas why ?
[22:26] xonecas: or how to fix it?
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[22:28] mscdex: xonecas: put a space before the :
[22:28] mscdex: oh wait
[22:29] mscdex: nvm yeah put a space there
[22:29] mscdex: :)
[22:29] mscdex: it's trying to interpret that as a label i suspect
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[22:30] xonecas: nope, still have the error
[22:32] xonecas: mscdex: fixed by breaking down the (err)? into regular if statement...
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[22:35] Rixius: the Ternary operator is a strange thing. you cannot make assignements or throws inside of it
[22:36] xonecas: Rixius: Thanks, I was scratching my head clueless on that one...
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[22:38] aaronblohowiak: it looks like nvm doesn't exist anymore.. what is the canonical way to manage node versions?
[22:38] maushu_: Rixius, technically the ternary operator is a single action.
[22:39] maushu_: Lets not go crazy with it. Please.
[22:40] Rixius: Maushu_: I like to have fun and write non-production test code >_>
[22:40] maushu_: There is fun and then there is "OH MY GOD! THE ZOMBIES ARE ON FIRE!".
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[22:43] Rixius: I like writing lines like `(this.x === true) && (this.y = 123) && this.xzp()`
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[22:47] aaronblohowiak: isaacs: are you planning on letting npm also upgrade your node for you?
[22:48] aaronblohowiak: isaacs: alternately, what would you think if someone packaged node as an npm package :-)
[22:49] Rixius: >_> aaronblohowiak: like with an install script that runs the ./configure make make install script?
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[22:50] aaronblohowiak: Rixius: yes =)
[22:50] aaronblohowiak: Rixius: 4 commands (including the curl -lO) is just toooo many for my fingers
[22:50] pHcF: http://birdch.at/rooms/nodejs :)
[22:50] aaronblohowiak: ;)
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[22:56] mike_mayo: Anyone had any luck with express and socketio together?
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[22:59] pHcF: mike_mayo: i didn't get it working, so i used faye
[22:59] pHcF: instead of socketio
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[22:59] mike_mayo: pHcF: yeah i've seen a couple guides, one suggested Faye and one Juggernaut
[22:59] pHcF: faye is awesome
[23:00] pHcF: works on ANY browser
[23:00] pHcF: even IE 6
[23:00] pHcF: and iphone, android
[23:00] pHcF: etc
[23:00] mscdex: where's the info for creating a debug build of node?
[23:00] mike_mayo: pHcF: nice, may give that a shot
[23:01] pHcF: mike_mayo: if you wanna see faye in action, http://birdch.at/rooms/nodejs
[23:01] mike_mayo: cool
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[23:15] DTrejo: hey everyone
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[23:16] aaronblohowiak: DTrejo: hey
[23:16] DTrejo: I'm semi-bored, and I wanna code
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[23:23] mscdex: woot! hooray for debug builds!
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[23:33] DTrejo: dean.edwards.name is down :| at least for me
[23:34] bingomanatee__: For what its worth - here is my "mongo on node" digest. http://wonderlandlabs.com/wll_drupal/os/node/day_three.html
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[23:36] sechrist: substack -- found the problem with binary. solved, and now my memory is stable :)
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[23:39] aaronblohowiak: bingomanatee__: "By the time you read this it should be obsolete.  " lol
[23:40] A|i: is it possible to embed node.js in a java web server? is there an implementation of this?
[23:40] sechrist: true story
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[23:40] sechrist: A|i: you too huh?
[23:40] A|i: sechrist: you too?
[23:41] sechrist: no, it's not common but people come in here asking for java integration like rhino for enterprise interopability
[23:41] halfhalo: that idea makes my head hurt
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[23:41] A|i: sechrist: I dont like too much external dependencies, it would be nice to integrate node in the web app
[23:41] sechrist: you have a large existing codebase in java?
[23:42] A|i: no
[23:42] sechrist: then why do you want java compatibility?
[23:42] A|i: I explained in the above
[23:42] sechrist: no, you didn't, unless you mean you want to put java in front of node
[23:42] sechrist: for some stupid reason
[23:43] A|i: installing/configuring yet another dependency on the cloud is a pain
[23:43] sechrist: haproxy to the node service
[23:43] sechrist: haproxy in front of your web servers, and have haproxy route websockets and node-specific urls to node services
[23:44] A|i: sechrist: that's what exactly I'm trying to avoid
[23:44] aaronblohowiak: sechrist: i dont think you can do that with haproxy, unless they recently changed it
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[23:44] A|i: syadmining servers is a pain in the neck (or lower)
[23:44] sechrist: perhaps not websockets only, but you can damn sure route urls
[23:44] aaronblohowiak: sechrist: right =) websockets breaks http
[23:45] A|i: sechrist: deploying in java is as easy as uploading a war, I'd like to keep deploying my app that simple
[23:45] sechrist: if node can detect websockets vs http on the same fd, why can't haproxy?
[23:45] aaronblohowiak: sechrist: because the haproxy maintainer hates the current websockets draft and refuses to implement it
[23:45] sechrist: A|i: well you are going to lose all benefits of node if you put something like java in front of it
[23:46] A|i: sechrist: there is this implementation of nide in java: http://code.google.com/p/socketio-java/ but I guess it's kind of immature
[23:46] sechrist: now, you can do backend communication to node and vice versa
[23:46] sechrist: however your java thing will be the bottleneck of performance
[23:46] sechrist: depending on the architecture
[23:46] halfhalo: wait... I think he's trying to wrap node up in java, not just in front of it... which is even more retarted
[23:46] sechrist: yeah which is why I ignored that possibility
[23:47] aaronblohowiak: lol
[23:47] mscdex: haproxy does not want to start implementing custom exceptions for stuff that is broken http
[23:47] A|i: netty is not slower than node
[23:47] A|i: it cannot be a bottleneck
[23:47] mscdex: draft 75 works just fine because it's actually valid http
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[23:48] mscdex: but that was an error according to the ws protocol author
[23:48] aaronblohowiak: mscdex: but which browsers support draft 75 ?
[23:48] sechrist: A|i: well then communicate with node from your java service
[23:48] mscdex: it's supposed to be invalid http
[23:48] sechrist: you need websockets just for event flow right?
[23:48] aaronblohowiak: 
ACTION cries

[23:48] sechrist: so push events from netty to a node daemon
[23:48] sechrist: that's how my company is using websockets currently
[23:48] mscdex: aaronblohowiak: at least chrome 5 iirc
[23:48] aaronblohowiak: sechrist: if you are going to use the JVM, just use cometd
[23:49] aaronblohowiak: mscdex: right, but later chrome builds do *not* support 75
[23:49] mscdex: correct
[23:49] sechrist: A|i: anyway, integrating nodejs into your jvm isn't going to be possible unless you re-invent a wheel
[23:49] mscdex: and the only reason node is able to handle draft 76 is because it has a workaround to detect the kind of funky http request that ws draft 76 makes
[23:49] A|i: sechrist: netty --[push]--> node --[push]--> browser ?
[23:50] sechrist: yes
[23:50] sechrist: well push/pull between netty and node
[23:50] sechrist: using whatever you want as IPC
[23:50] sechrist: so your netty thing can get events
[23:50] sechrist: I have to do this with python/django and my node service 
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[23:51] sechrist: basically use a socketio daemon as just a pipe to your user's browsers
[23:52] sechrist: if you want to do it with "embedding" you're better off implementing socketio yourself in java
[23:52] sechrist: which there's nothing wrong with -- socketio client isn't tied to nodejs
[23:52] mscdex: the day node has rock solid ssl support is the day we'll have a fast draft 76-capable reverse proxy
[23:52] mscdex: :>
[23:52] sechrist: mscdex: get crackin
[23:52] mscdex: i'm no tls/ssl guru
[23:53] sechrist: what is fatally broken with ssl daemons in node?
[23:53] ryan[WIN]: 383 people in here wtffff
[23:53] halfhalo: DUNDUNDUN!!!
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[23:59] augustl_eee: http://npmjs.org/ - are there docs?
[23:59] augustl_eee: I didn't look at the github page, perhaps there's something there..