[00:00] micheil: shimondoodkin: yes, using eio_custom would be how you would do what isaacs wants [00:00] isaacs: wait, wut? when did sys.inspect stop being comma-first? [00:00] ajpiano has joined the channel [00:01] aheckmann has joined the channel [00:01] micheil: it? [00:01] isaacs: oh, jesus, ryan, srsly... [00:02] isaacs: at least the commit message admits the fact... [00:02] bpadalino: admits what ? [00:02] micheil: do we still wish to have bindings to GetUID / GetUser and GetGid / GetGroup? [00:02] micheil: is ryan no-comma-first? [00:02] isaacs: bpadalino: http://github.com/isaacs/node/commit/d164989 [00:02] isaacs: "Ugly? Yes. More readable by first time users? Yes." [00:02] Tim_Smart: Heh its been a while since I last did `svn checkout` [00:02] isaacs: i want an switch to put it back.. [00:02] isaacs: it's so painfully ugly [00:03] micheil: oh, yay! flood warnings for my region :( [00:03] micheil: and they are busy cutting 45% of the water allocation from the farms.. [00:03] bpadalino: ah [00:03] Tim_Smart: isaacs: You will get over it. [00:03] micheil: wtf. [00:03] bpadalino: weaksauce [00:03] isaacs: Tim_Smart: nah, i'll just float a patch [00:03] isaacs: it's a simple one [00:03] Tim_Smart: isaacs: Or that. [00:04] murz has joined the channel [00:04] isaacs: things not lining up makes my brain hurt [00:05] isaacs: i think node needs to do less to accommodate long-time javascripters who are first-time noders, and more to accommodate first-time javascripters [00:06] murz has left the channel [00:07] shimondoodkin: now the barier of knowlage level required is very high [00:07] bruse: node is a little confusing to me as a first-time javascripter (but decent coder in other languages) [00:07] shimondoodkin: my potencial workers say its a new languga [00:07] bruse: its errors are not very helpful a lot of the time [00:07] bpot has joined the channel [00:07] isaacs: bruse: they're more helpful than my first javascript experiences. [00:07] isaacs: alert("hello from msie 5.0") [00:08] bruse: ah, i did that too [00:08] isaacs: and lemme tell you, msie5 was a fuckin GODSEND [00:08] isaacs: compared to NN4 or IE 5.2 [00:08] isaacs: and IE 4 was a joke [00:08] bruse: ie5 was pretty nice if i remember correctly [00:08] shimondoodkin: bruse:you need todo console.log(err.stack) [00:08] bruse: you got away with some horrible stuff [00:08] bruse: but that was what, 12 years ago? [00:08] isaacs: Tim_Smart: http://github.com/isaacs/node/commit/096bb6fb673c3c8080897eb70cfecad9a81484de [00:08] bruse: i couldnt code back then. [00:09] isaacs: ACTION suddely feels very old [00:09] micheil: isaacs: you make me feel young :( [00:10] micheil: :P [00:10] shimondoodkin: i was like 13 my first sitesa ware fo netscape 3.2 and ie4 [00:10] isaacs: micheil: no, your age makes you feel young. [00:10] isaacs: micheil: remember when that "internet" thing came out? [00:10] micheil: I was 6 when msie5 was about. [00:10] matt_c has joined the channel [00:10] micheil: I turn 18 next week. [00:10] bruse: i've been coding c for 10 years apparently :/ [00:10] isaacs: i saw on the twitterz [00:10] isaacs: happy birthday :) [00:10] micheil: cheers. [00:11] micheil: can't believe I couldn't get into a gig on tuesday when I was 8 days away from being 18. [00:11] isaacs: the thing about turnign 18 is that they say it takes 10 years to get realy good at anything, so when you're 18, you'er basically like a master-level 8 year old. [00:11] micheil: that was seriously crap. [00:11] bruse: micheil: this one time some bouncers wouldnt let me in because i was 3 days too young [00:11] isaacs: ACTION trying to see the bright side of being over 30... [00:11] aurynn: the 10,000 hour problem. [00:11] bruse: not 3 days too young to be legal to drink, mind you, but 3 days too young for this bars policy [00:11] micheil: isaacs: hmm.. well, I'm not sure where you'd put me then. considering I've had people think I'm 28. [00:11] isaacs: aurynn: right. [00:12] isaacs: micheil: just cuz someone's wrong about something, doesn't make it reality ;) [00:12] shimondoodkin: im 26 so.. [00:12] isaacs: micheil: if people think you're 18 when you're 28, then that'll be something to be proud of. [00:12] micheil: lol. [00:13] micheil: isaacs: ryan's in st louis, right? [00:13] isaacs: micheil: you should comment here instead: http://github.com/ry/node/commit/d164989e3fd7199ad8905d884c378eecc60f51ee [00:14] isaacs: micheil: otherwise youer' just preaching to the choir :) [00:14] isaacs: yeah [00:14] micheil: yeah. [00:15] bruse: so, matlab [00:15] bruse: there's an interesting language [00:15] bruse: i have a love hate relationship with it [00:16] bruse: but honestly, it's mostly hate [00:16] micheil: isaacs: http://groups.google.com/group/nodejs-dev/browse_thread/thread/83c04c0157eddc2c?hl=en_US# [00:16] isaacs: bruse: you know how i made peace with matlab? [00:16] micheil: (that should really be in a sys module.) [00:16] bruse: isaacs: please tell me [00:16] isaacs: bruse: i left college. [00:17] bruse: :) [00:17] bruse: i get to do a lot of interesting stuff in matlab (in college) [00:17] isaacs: micheil: how do those ones work? [00:17] bpadalino: where did you leave it ? [00:17] micheil: isaacs: using eio_custom [00:17] isaacs: bpadalino: in CT [00:17] bpadalino: very nice [00:17] bpadalino: that's a good place to keep it [00:17] isaacs: micheil: i mean, do you pass in a uid and get the name, or is it just "get the name of the current process"? [00:17] micheil: isaacs: they are part of the GNU C libraru [00:18] bruse: just this week i've reconstructed 3d models from 2d images and made a melody rechognizer where you hum parts of a song and it tries to match it to the real one [00:18] micheil: isaacs: have a read: http://gist.github.com/625267 [00:18] bruse: recognizer* [00:18] isaacs: interesting [00:19] micheil: isaacs: getpwuid or getpwnam_r [00:19] softdrink has joined the channel [00:19] bpadalino: matlab costs too much money to rely on it :( [00:19] micheil: isaacs: and yes, I was working on a new module for node's core called node_os [00:19] bruse: bpadalino: you're probably right [00:20] bruse: i bet octave, R, or even numpy works as well for most things [00:20] bpadalino: though if i could buy stock in matlab, i probably would .. give it away to students/academics .. and it forces industry to adopt it since all the new talent knows how to use that [00:21] bruse: no one really knows how to use matlab [00:21] bpadalino: that's quite a bold claim [00:22] davidascher has joined the channel [00:22] bruse: after 4 years of matlab i'm entitled to it [00:22] bpadalino: again, another bold claim [00:22] bpadalino: very interesting [00:22] bruse: i'm only bold on the internet though [00:22] bruse: meet me in person and i have no opinions [00:23] micheil: isaacs: check out ryan's bio on: http://strangeloop2010.com/speakers [00:23] freeformz has joined the channel [00:23] micheil: isaacs: it doesn't mention node.js creator at all, only in his talk title. [00:23] micheil: :D [00:24] micheil: isaacs: that file does also half work. [00:25] bpadalino: it's just a little side project [00:25] heavysixer has joined the channel [00:29] dnolen_ has joined the channel [00:30] Tim_Smart has joined the channel [00:31] tapwater has joined the channel [00:32] davidascher has joined the channel [00:34] langworthy has joined the channel [00:34] ehaas has joined the channel [00:38] iheartnodejs has joined the channel [00:38] iheartnodejs: :-D [00:38] Tim_Smart has joined the channel [00:40] tyfighter has joined the channel [00:41] tksohishi has joined the channel [00:42] Tim_Smart has joined the channel [00:45] bradleymeck has joined the channel [00:46] rcy has joined the channel [00:47] micheil: isaacs: with C/C++, if it's char **name, then you can do &name when calling the function, right? [00:47] isaacs: if it's char**, then &name is a char* [00:48] isaacs: ie, it's the first string in the list of strings [00:48] isaacs: &name roughly = name[0] [00:48] isaacs: not exactly the same, though [00:48] isaacs: there are a few subtle diffs, which i dont' remember at the moment [00:48] unomi has joined the channel [00:48] micheil: okay [00:48] micheil: just looking at the differences between getpwnam and getpwnam_r [00:49] tjholowaychuk: micheil: char ** is a pointer to several character pointers lol if that makes sense aka array of c "strings" [00:50] micheil: okay [00:50] tjholowaychuk: char == one character, char * == pointer to a character (when in sequence makes up a c string) [00:50] tjholowaychuk: and char ** is an array of character pointers [00:50] micheil: okay [00:50] tjholowaychuk: kinda weird [00:50] tjholowaychuk: but you get used to it [00:50] tjholowaychuk: and then it makes sense [00:50] micheil: ACTION will need to read more into C/C++ syntax [00:50] Tim_Smart: char** is a pointer to a pointer [00:51] tjholowaychuk: micheil: read it from right to left. "*" pointer to a "*" pointer to a "char" [00:51] tjholowaychuk: kinda [00:51] tjholowaychuk: haha [00:51] tjholowaychuk: i probably dont make sense [00:52] Tim_Smart: E.g. if you had char 255 in memory at location 1000, char* would be a pointer '1000' at location '2000, so char** would be '2000', at location '3000' ;) [00:52] ehaas: just use cdecl [00:52] micheil: tjholowaychuk: yeah, you do. [00:52] skohorn has joined the channel [00:53] Tim_Smart: Then you just use & to walk your way backwards. [00:53] tjholowaychuk: im out, later guys [00:54] jakehow has joined the channel [00:56] tapwater has joined the channel [00:57] sonnym has joined the channel [00:58] mbrochh has joined the channel [00:58] mbrochh has joined the channel [00:59] Yuffster has joined the channel [01:02] bruse: pkrumins: that is an awesome node module, indeed [01:05] tilgovi_ has joined the channel [01:06] MattJ has joined the channel [01:06] micheil: bruse: which module? [01:06] bruse: http://www.catonmat.net/blog/lazy-lists-javascript-nodejs [01:08] SubStack: ^_^ [01:11] micheil: SubStack: it'd be cooler to do: db.limit(8).filter(...) [01:11] micheil: which would do take(8), but set it as a limiter [01:12] micheil: so each function afterwards would only be allowed to return that number of items [01:12] mikew3c has joined the channel [01:13] SubStack: micheil: return? [01:13] micheil: yeah [01:13] micheil: I guess not return [01:13] SubStack: I don't follow [01:13] micheil: but same idea. [01:14] micheil: in the sense that the last function will only receive X number of items [01:14] SubStack: well you could just put a .take(n) at the end before a .join or a .forEach to use the result [01:15] SubStack: yeah just put the take before the function you want to limit [01:15] micheil: creationix: for howtonode perhaps? http://tiptheweb.org/ [01:15] micheil: k [01:16] creationix: micheil: nah, I already feel bad having the mediatemple badge on there [01:16] micheil: creationix: why? [01:16] micheil: the hosting costs need to be covered some how. [01:16] creationix: it's a slippery slope [01:16] creationix: the hosting cost is nothing compared to the time it takes to write the articles [01:16] creationix: really, nothing [01:16] SubStack: micheil: take works like SIGPIPE also if that's what you mean [01:17] micheil: k [01:17] creationix: micheil: I'll think about it [01:17] SubStack: that's the part that I hacked in [01:17] micheil: creationix: well, yeah, please do. I think people want to be able to support great content. [01:17] SubStack: it sends a 'pipe' event up the chain which stops processing [01:18] micheil: creationix: I suppose if I wrote an article on how to do eio_custom modules, then that probably should go on a personal blog though. [01:18] micheil: bit too indepth for htn [01:18] creationix: micheil: as long as you keep it short it's fine [01:18] isaacs: ok, i'm gonna have to read up on ev tonight. [01:18] creationix: up to you where you put it [01:18] isaacs: god DAMN callbacks are crappy in C [01:18] micheil: creationix: well, it's a fairly in depth process. [01:18] creationix: we certainly need more people with c experience [01:19] isaacs: ev_set_allocator (void *(*cb)(void *ptr, long size)) [01:19] creationix: hmm, tiptheweb is private beta [01:19] micheil: isaacs: there's a reason that stuff is all "aliased" in node [01:19] creationix: considering they just won a hige award, the list is probably long [01:19] andrewfff has joined the channel [01:19] marienz has joined the channel [01:19] micheil: creationix: sides' I just signed up., [01:20] creationix: micheil: cool [01:20] micheil: I'll let you know if I get in. [01:20] derferman has joined the channel [01:22] micheil: seriously, if people want to support my projects and work, I'll take the money because it allows me to spend more time doing what I love. [01:22] paulr has joined the channel [01:22] isaacs: i have kind of a problem with tip the web [01:22] isaacs: tipping just seems dumb to me. i never really got it. [01:23] isaacs: i get that if you don't tip waiters or pizza deliverers, it's the social equivalent of murdering a puppy, but i mean, seriously [01:23] micheil: isaacs: in the sense that you give a bit of money to support a project / piece of content [01:23] isaacs: you don't tip your doctor or your mechanic [01:23] isaacs: micheil: right [01:23] micheil: not the US sense of tipping [01:23] isaacs: but tipping as a whole just seems like an odd and stupidly arbitrary thing [01:23] isaacs: micheil: that IS the US sense of tipping [01:23] micheil: if you want to give me money for the projects I work on, I'm not going to complain. [01:23] isaacs: don't get me wrong, people have given money to npm [01:24] isaacs: but i don't expect it, and thinking of it as a tip just seems almost derrogatory to either me or them for some reason, i'm not sure. [01:24] isaacs: i mean, i never left a $50 tip for a waiter. [01:24] micheil: isaacs: not at all. [01:24] guybrush: just replace the word 'tipping' with 'supporting' in your mind [01:24] guybrush: its about how it works, not how its named [01:24] micheil: isaacs: it's the wrong meaning of tipping. In australia, it's not a required thing or anything like that, it's just like, if you want to, then you can. [01:25] isaacs: guybrush: right... but then why not give it a substantial amount of money? and set aside a specific portion of your budget to help out projects based on how you use them? [01:25] isaacs: the whole idea of a tip is that it's money you won't miss, dropped in a jar that only amounts to something of substance if everyone does it. [01:25] isaacs: it's a percentage game. [01:25] micheil: have you ever heard of that happening? [01:26] isaacs: for instance: i give to FFRF and Norml, because they're charitable organizations that actively try to make my world more like how i want it to be. [01:26] SubStack: I would rather restaurants paid their workers decent wages and prices were raised accordingly [01:26] micheil: like a company putting money into a project they use like npm or something like that? [01:26] unomi has joined the channel [01:26] aubergine has joined the channel [01:26] isaacs: nothing wrong with your "save the puppies" fund, and i'm all about saving puppies, but a dollar given to that charity is a dollar not given to this other one. [01:26] aubergine: missed that last comment [01:26] isaacs: SubStack: RIGHT!? how much better would that be!? [01:27] aubergine: oops, wrong # sorry [01:27] isaacs: i've often wondered if i could maybe declare that i have a religious objection to tipping, and then just abstain from the whole enterprise. [01:27] creationix: isaacs: how reliable is the ferry [01:27] creationix: this looks like fun http://www.adsinusa.com/c/3728/3728p4031.htm [01:27] isaacs: creationix: it's reliable, but it only comes like 3 times [01:27] creationix: hmm, so getting back home could be a problem [01:27] Aria: ACTION is kind of a fan of tipping, but would love it if we had a reliable wage law in the US, and a way to support people doing good but not financially rewarding things. [01:27] isaacs: o the tiburon ferry.. i dunno [01:28] isaacs: creationix: where you at? [01:28] creationix: currently? [01:28] isaacs: ya [01:28] creationix: Palo Alto [01:28] isaacs: Oh, you mean, like, if you moved to tiburon and worked in teh city or something. i grok. [01:28] creationix: yep [01:28] creationix: it's a long ferry ride [01:28] isaacs: yeah [01:28] creationix: not sure it would be worth it [01:28] micheil: tliburon? [01:29] isaacs: there are some joyeurs that live in marin [01:29] creationix: micheil: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=845+California+Street,+San+Francisco,+CA&daddr=65+Red+Hill+Cir,+Belvedere+Tiburon,+CA+94920+(65+Red+Hill+Cir,+Belvedere+Tiburon)&hl=en&geocode=%3BCXepsaO_2NgIFfgGQgIdP2Kz-CEiERtGTpfnNg&mra=ltm&dirflg=r&ttype=dep&date=10%2F13%2F10&time=6:19pm&noexp=0&noal=0&sort=&sll=37.871059,-122.420826&sspn=0.098108,0.17664&ie=UTF8&ll=37.838259,-122.431297&spn=0.098152,0.17664&z=13&start=0 [01:29] creationix: yikes, should have shortened that one [01:29] creationix: sorry about that [01:29] micheil: no worries. [01:29] micheil: I'll just type it out by hand into my address bar. [01:30] creationix: lol [01:30] micheil: haha [01:30] isaacs: creationix: i've considered taking the oakland ferry, but it's only comes like 4 times a day [01:30] isaacs: creationix: so i'd have to either leave the house by 7:30 or not get to work until 11 if i miss it [01:30] isaacs: somethign like that [01:30] creationix: yeah, I'm not thinking this would work [01:31] creationix: though driving from sausalito doesn't seem too bad [01:31] Tprice has joined the channel [01:31] isaacs: yeah, and riding the scooter all the way around and over the GG would suck [01:31] rwaldron has joined the channel [01:31] creationix: hmm, wind [01:31] c4milo has joined the channel [01:34] marshall_law has joined the channel [01:36] rednul_ has joined the channel [01:39] pengwynn has joined the channel [01:41] melgray has joined the channel [01:45] bronson has joined the channel [01:47] marienz has joined the channel [01:48] jchris has joined the channel [01:49] shripadk has joined the channel [01:50] shripadk: bradleymeck: ping! sorry i timed out. bad connectivity.. [01:52] megana has joined the channel [01:52] megana: Hi node.js! Does anyone know why my node app won't close after I open a db connection to mongodb? [01:54] gf3 has joined the channel [01:54] micheil: megana: because there's still something on the event queue [01:54] micheil: megana: if you want to close it, either, ctrl+c it (SIGTERM, iirc) [01:54] megana: what is that? [01:55] micheil: it's the way that node notifies your code that stuff is happening or expected to happen [01:55] megana: oh [01:55] micheil: when you have no more connections such as network, http, or file streams open, node will automatically exit. [01:55] megana: do you know if it's wise to use a singleton on a node webapp for a database connection? [01:55] micheil: singleton? [01:56] micheil: as in one connection to a database? [01:56] megana: I open a connection to mongodb and then everyone uses it [01:56] megana: yeah [01:56] micheil: depends on the amount of traffic. [01:56] micheil: just with any other platform [01:56] megana: a billion users! [01:56] creationix: I use 500 concurrent connections to my couchdb [01:56] creationix: both couch and node like concurrency [01:56] megana: ohh [01:56] micheil: but, yes, a connection pool may be a good idea. [01:56] megana: why not make 1 per user? [01:56] bpadalino: don't pee in the pool [01:56] micheil: megana: you'd run out of file descriptors [01:57] creationix: megana: you don't want to create a connection per request [01:57] micheil: iirc, you have a maximum of 65567 [01:57] creationix: you'll want a pool of some sort [01:57] micheil: or something [01:57] megana: okay [01:57] megana: so is there a magic number of users to connections? [01:57] micheil: megana: just check with the connection is busy or not [01:57] creationix: mongo was optimized for fast responses and probably less for concurrency [01:57] creationix: you'd have to play around and find a good number [01:57] micheil: creationix: redis + biggie ftw. [01:58] megana: I see [01:58] micheil: creationix: maybe there's a use case for a connection pool / function / constructor pool module? [01:58] megana: so do you just create 500 couch objects and call open on them all? [01:58] EvanDotPro has joined the channel [01:59] micheil: hmm, I wonder if it'd be fun to get an arduino, hack together a rfid reader/scanner, and hook it up to node [01:59] micheil: megana: sort of. but allocate as needed. [01:59] micheil: megana: node does this internally for some things, iirc. [01:59] micheil: (that's what freelist is for, iirc) [01:59] creationix: megana: no, my pool is within the couch client [01:59] tksohishi has left the channel [01:59] creationix: so one client with 500 connections [02:00] megana: oh [02:00] creationix: and I create them on demand [02:00] micheil: megana: it's sort of you have an array with a maximum amount that it can grow to. [02:00] EvanDotPro: so, i swear i've googled this... with an http.Client object, can you specify which interface it uses? if i request fails on one interface, i want to try it again on another... [02:00] creationix: but then at 500 I start re-using the connections and requests simply queue up [02:00] micheil: there's no point having 500 db connections if you only have 1 user [02:00] megana: creationix, so this is all handled by the driver? o_O [02:00] MikhX has joined the channel [02:00] micheil: EvanDotPro: I don't think so. I may be wrong. [02:00] creationix: EvanDotPro: last I checked, you can't specify the interface, just the ip [02:01] creationix: megana: the client, yes [02:01] megana: yeah [02:01] micheil: megana: in the case of the mongodb drivers, I don't think it is. [02:01] megana: I wonder if mongo's does that too... [02:01] megana: oh [02:01] megana: zing! [02:01] creationix: it's hardly a driver since it's just a wrapper around http [02:01] creationix: http://github.com/creationix/couch-client [02:01] EvanDotPro: creationix: well IP is fine... with how my server is set up, that will make it use the interface i'm wanting. [02:01] micheil: megana: perhaps try the mongoose driver? [02:01] creationix: there are lots of drivers/clients [02:01] micheil: I know it does a bunch of fancy stuff, maybe it does connection pooling too. [02:01] megana: the mongoose driver? [02:01] megana: okay [02:02] micheil: it's on the module list page [02:02] micheil: http://github.com/ry/node/wiki/modules [02:02] creationix: mongoose is by the same guys as socket.io [02:02] creationix: roughly [02:02] micheil: yeah [02:02] megana: thhanks for all the infos! [02:02] micheil: learnboost [02:03] micheil: man.. I'm loving this work I'm doing in C/C++ [02:03] megana: why? [02:03] micheil: even if some things are a bit slow hard. [02:03] EvanDotPro: i must be missing where i can specify which IP the http.Client uses. [02:03] megana: C is the language where your code looks like a stary sky [02:03] megana: *********** [02:04] micheil: megana: because, I'm doing work with the core of node, and also doing a bit of fun stuff with Fuse and serial ports [02:04] micheil: megana: node is lowlevel / thin C bindings + javascript [02:04] megana: what does it look like? [02:04] micheil: view the source tree: http://github.com/ry/node [02:04] creationix: EvanDotPro: hmm for client [02:05] creationix: not sure about that [02:05] creationix: I was talking about server [02:05] EvanDotPro: yeah, i saw it on the server. [02:05] micheil: hmm.. creationix any ideas why the module is style net2 and not net? [02:06] EvanDotPro: weird omission for the client... it's a pretty important feature. i've got two internet connections to the box, and if a request fails on one, i need it to try it from another. [02:06] creationix: micheil: nope, I haven't really been tracking the 0.3.x stuff [02:06] micheil: EvanDotPro: yeah, makes sense [02:06] micheil: creationix: I'd be interested to know if it should be moved. [02:06] micheil: creationix: considering I've done the other move patches. [02:06] creationix: I know a long time ago net2 was the net rewrite into javascript [02:07] creationix: and that's the version we're using still [02:07] micheil: yes [02:07] micheil: I'm thinking it can now safely be renamed to just net [02:07] creationix: well, ryah was talking about possibly going back to implementing i tin c [02:07] micheil: I'm thinking now would be a great time to really clean up the code [02:08] hsuh has joined the channel [02:08] creationix: perhaps, just make sure to ask ryan before doing any refactoring [02:08] micheil: yeah [02:11] necrodearia has joined the channel [02:13] mjr_ has joined the channel [02:15] Tim_Smart has joined the channel [02:19] dguttman_ has joined the channel [02:21] bentruyman has joined the channel [02:22] hzin has joined the channel [02:23] MikhX has joined the channel [02:25] technoweenie has joined the channel [02:25] mikeal has joined the channel [02:25] mbrochh has joined the channel [02:26] gerred has joined the channel [02:27] melgray has joined the channel [02:29] bencc has left the channel [02:29] dohtem has joined the channel [02:29] dohtem has joined the channel [02:33] yhahn has joined the channel [02:33] shimondoodkin: in c how to return a __dirstream hande as javascript variable [02:34] shimondoodkin: tried varius staff like argv[0] = Local::New(sr->dir); [02:35] davidwalsh has joined the channel [02:39] jamescarr_ has joined the channel [02:39] jamescarr_: hmmm [02:41] dannycoates has joined the channel [02:41] gf3 has joined the channel [02:41] meso has joined the channel [02:44] shimondoodkin: http://gist.github.com/625445 [02:50] dgathright has joined the channel [03:00] jakehow has joined the channel [03:02] bpot has joined the channel [03:04] gf3 has joined the channel [03:06] jameshome has joined the channel [03:10] noahcampbell has joined the channel [03:11] shimondoodkin: found a better starting point [03:12] Tim_Smart: shimondoodkin: Wouldn't a DIR handle just be an int? [03:13] shimondoodkin: no its a stream pointer to a pointer [03:13] shimondoodkin: id do it from this: http://github.com/pquerna/node-extension-examples/blob/master/helloworld_eio/helloworld_eio.cc , it an object [03:14] Tim_Smart: Ah ok. [03:14] ryah: deanlandolt: we can't change slice - but we can add range [03:14] ryah: deanlandolt: and try to phase it out [03:14] ryah: did krisk call it range? [03:15] ryah: not sure if it matter so much. slice or range.. [03:15] Tim_Smart: ryah: Did you see http://izs.me/v8-docs/ ? [03:15] ryah: but yeah, if you feel strongly about it [03:16] ryah: Tim_Smart: yes [03:16] deanlandolt: ryah kris k and Wes called it range, yeah...but folks round here thought view may make more sense (considering that's what it's called in WebGL typed arrays) [03:16] Tim_Smart: range seems more human. [03:16] shaver: ask Wes, he'll tell you I'm right [03:16] ryah: it's likely we're going to have to hit a big API change later [03:16] deanlandolt: but having slice /not/ copy is the real problem [03:17] Me1000 has joined the channel [03:17] deanlandolt: and as it stands now it won't break /that/ much code [03:17] ryah: to come in line with type arrays (or whatever wins out) [03:17] SubStack: range like an array generator? [03:17] shaver: generators! [03:17] shaver: did v8 get generators? [03:17] ryah: maybe we should just not make changes until then [03:17] deanlandolt: ryah good point :) [03:17] SubStack: shaver: not a Generator, a generator [03:17] dannycoates: Tim_Smart: that link is sweet! [03:17] SubStack: something which generates [03:17] mw has joined the channel [03:18] Tim_Smart: dannycoates: Yeah I can see it being useful. [03:18] deanlandolt: none the less you have to admit that not matter what slice /would/ copy if it landed in any of these apis [03:18] SubStack: i should get around to writing that monkey patcher lib I have planned [03:18] SubStack: so I won't feel too bad about stuff like [03:18] deanlandolt: so to me the sooner you can move away from that the better...and 0.3 seems like a perfect opportunity [03:18] SubStack: Number.prototype.times = function (n, f) { for (var i = 0; i < n; i++) f(i) } [03:19] overra has joined the channel [03:19] ryah: deanlandolt: i waffel back and forth when i think about buffers.. [03:19] ryah: lately i've been thinking something immutable would be better [03:19] ryah: maybe not.. [03:19] deanlandolt: yeah, seems like everyone waffles on that :) [03:19] shaver: immutable length is the key thing for optimizations [03:19] deanlandolt: i'm trying to marry the mutable and immutable apis [03:19] Tim_Smart: ryah: Have you played with ExternalStringResource? [03:20] SubStack: oh whoops I mean [03:20] deanlandolt: (just for the most /basic/ uses) [03:20] shaver: otherwise you can CSE most of the stuff you want [03:20] SubStack: Number.prototype.times = function (f) { for (var i = 0; i < this; i++) f(i) } [03:20] ysynopsis has joined the channel [03:21] deanlandolt: i'm not suggesting one over the other (i kinda like the idea of both)...just that the slice function behave like js...no matter what got specified by tc39 that's one constant i can guarantee they'd shoot for :) [03:24] sonnym: hey, is there any trivial way to use the assert module to check if two arrays contain all the same values? [03:24] sonnym: deepEqual is false when they're not in the same order [03:25] shaver: deepEqual on sort? [03:25] sonnym: touche. [03:25] sonnym: thanks :) [03:25] shaver: if deepEqual(a.sort(), b.sort()) [03:25] jedschmidt has joined the channel [03:25] deanlandolt: sonnym: do you want identity equality or just coerced string equality? [03:25] shaver: then you get the terrible lexicographic-sort-of-numbers thing [03:25] deanlandolt: deepEqual forces all kinds of checks IIRC...if you just want == you can toString them and == the values [03:26] alexb_ has joined the channel [03:26] shaver: yeah, once they're in order [03:26] sonnym: so equal(a.sort().toString(), b.sort().toString()) would probably be better? [03:26] Tim_Smart: I almost always use === [03:26] deanlandolt: yeah, there ya go [03:26] Tim_Smart: Oh, assert >.> [03:26] shaver: every time I do that I end up screwed by the difference between an empty string and a missing element [03:26] shaver: or 5 vs "5" [03:27] shaver: and yet, every time I convince myself that it'll be OK *this* time [03:27] deanlandolt: Tim_Smart: same, but if you're just testing things sometimes you want ==...in that case you don't have to worry about some of the gotchas [03:27] shaver: so I'm probably not a good source of advice [03:27] jedschmidt: is npm down? npm install npm => Error: ucs {bad_utf8_character_code}: npm [03:27] deanlandolt: jedschmidt: that's a couch error [03:28] jedschmidt: deanlandolt: yeah, same one as last time. [03:28] deanlandolt: (at least, that's an erlang atom) [03:28] jedschmidt: deanlandolt: it happens anytime i try to install anything. [03:28] sonnym: hmm require("assert").equal([1,2].sort().toString(), [2,1].sort().toString()); works [03:29] deanlandolt: jedschmidt: i'm getting that too [03:29] jedschmidt: deanlandolt: yeah, this happened last week IIRC. was a couch problem. blarg. [03:29] sonnym: as does require("assert").deepEqual([1,2].sort(), [2,1].sort()); . . . which is probably what I really want [03:30] deanlandolt: no mikeal or isaacs either....hmm [03:30] deanlandolt: sonnym: sure, that's probably your best bet [03:30] JimBastard has joined the channel [03:31] deanlandolt: what's awesome about the npm index is it's a couchapp so it should distribute nicely...apparently what *sucks* about the npm index is that it's a couchapp that's not actually distributed :) [03:31] jedschmidt: deanlandolt: ha, i guess i'll just have to wait then. thanks. [03:32] deanlandolt: has anyone in here replicated the npm index?? [03:32] Aria: Also that bad data keeps getting into it. [03:33] deanlandolt: Aria: bad data? oh if only mikeal were here...so many jokes [03:33] Aria: Heh. [03:33] deanlandolt: shoulda put it in mongo :) [03:34] deanlandolt: (and i'm obviously completely kidding unless anyone takes that seriously) [03:34] jedschmidt: deanlandolt: don't worry, your jokes are web scale. [03:34] deanlandolt: ha! [03:37] JimBastard: i totally just got to troll one of the reddit founders in person [03:37] JimBastard: it was kinda glorious [03:38] jedschmidt: JimBastard: did you mean: _tedious_? [03:38] JimBastard: i submitted something to reddit once, why didnt it get upvotes [03:38] JimBastard: then i showed him the reddit rap [03:38] JimBastard: good times [03:39] hsuh has joined the channel [03:41] SubStack: JimBastard: alexis? He's in NYC right [03:42] davidwalsh has joined the channel [03:42] jesusabdullah: ahahaha, the reddit rap [03:42] JimBastard: SubStack: aye [03:42] jesusabdullah: That was painful XS [03:42] jesusabdullah: But awesome [03:43] JimBastard: i made him play the reddit rap on his cell [03:43] jesusabdullah: It's in my faves [03:43] JimBastard: ohh its terrible lol [03:43] jesusabdullah: :D [03:44] Tyler has joined the channel [03:44] davidascher has joined the channel [03:45] derferman has joined the channel [03:47] Tprice: why does this not work [03:47] Tprice: message = JSON.parse(message); [03:48] Tprice: it keeps giving me errors [03:48] deanlandolt: because message is invalid json [03:50] tilgovi has joined the channel [03:51] deepthawtz has joined the channel [03:51] Aria: (json needs quoted attribute names. javascript does not. It'll trip most people up more than once.) [03:52] alexb_: Double quotes only [03:52] deanlandolt: yeah, and no undefined, Infinity, -Infinity, NaN, dates...etc [03:52] cloudhead has joined the channel [03:53] deanlandolt: true, false, null, string, number, array, object...that's /it/ [03:55] micheil: deanlandolt: actually, believe it or not, tail.thechangelog.com uses mongo (it's currently down while we rewrite the ruby app that crashed) [03:56] micheil: we had something close to several billion documents, I'm sure of it. [03:56] micheil: considering there is something like 25 github events every 1.8 seconds. [03:56] deanlandolt: i believe it...i'm not really knocking mongo as much as knocking couch for being 'reliable' compared to mongo :) [03:56] JimBastard: mongoloid db [03:56] JimBastard: INAPPROPIATE [03:56] micheil: yeah, that's just a nice stat there. [03:57] deanlandolt: still, jed's joke was f'ing webscale [03:57] micheil: yeah [03:57] micheil: just sayin' [03:58] micheil: each database can get bad wrap. don't just take one person's blog article or one event to throw you off. [03:59] deanlandolt: hey, i got nothing but love for mongo...i don't use it personally but i understand the issues mikeal was pointing out and it sounds like mongo's taking steps to address them (as mysql did when they were pointed out)... [04:00] deanlandolt: tradeoffs are hard...but anything that lets /us/ actually make those decisions is okay by me [04:01] jedschmidt has joined the channel [04:03] jansc has joined the channel [04:05] sivy: good evening. i'm playing with node+mongodb for the first time, and while I can make a mongo connection from a test script, I can't from within my express app [04:06] sivy: at least, mongod sees the connection, but the client can't keep it [04:06] sivy: this is what it looks like: [04:06] sivy: https://gist.github.com/81c482221c1c0e5ece24 [04:07] Aria: ACTION documents the html5 parser a bunch. [04:07] grahampage has joined the channel [04:07] jesusabdullah: Aria: Link to html5? [04:07] jesusabdullah: I'm interested in a different parser [04:08] Aria: http://github.com/aredridel/html5/ [04:11] jesusabdullah: So, the parser dumps the results into a given jsdom? [04:11] Aria: Yep. The HTML5 parsing algorithm implies a DOM [04:11] Aria: (it's not linear -- it'll go back and add some things to , it'll put in missing elements like and ...) [04:11] path[l] has joined the channel [04:11] Aria: (It'll reorder elements that end up in the wrong spot in the nesting around tables.) [04:12] jesusabdullah: This is relevant to my interests. I've used htmlparser before, and while it worked as advertised, it had a really annoying api [04:12] jesusabdullah: dom[0].children[3].children, etc. [04:12] jesusabdullah: and the Apricot thing was really really broken, from what I saw [04:12] jesusabdullah: :C [04:12] jesusabdullah: You should npmify this, imo [04:12] davidascher has joined the channel [04:13] Aria: It is. [04:14] __mn__ has joined the channel [04:14] Aria: (also, there's an example in there for using it with jquery) [04:14] Aria: (so enjoy that ;-)) [04:14] EyePulp has joined the channel [04:14] jesusabdullah: Saw the jquery example :) [04:15] __mn__: how do I debug an NPM install error? I'm trying to "npm install mailer" but I get "BAD UTF8 CHARACTER CODE") [04:15] jesusabdullah: o__o [04:15] mape: Someone should make it dumb simple with jquery, jquerify('http://an.url.td', function($dom) { $dom.find('a').each(function() { console.log($(this).attr('href')); }) }) would be handy [04:15] Aria: That's npm being broken. At the server. [04:15] jesusabdullah: Oh, is it? [04:15] ajpiano has joined the channel [04:15] __mn__: so, is there anything I can do to fix it? [04:15] Aria: Nope. [04:16] mikeal has joined the channel [04:16] jesusabdullah: You can pray to the gods of broadband [04:16] mape: Seems so, http://npm.mape.me/ is broken as well [04:16] Aria: Download modules by hand and npm install from the checkouts. [04:16] jesusabdullah: sacrifice a 56k modem [04:16] mjr_: npm registry is broken again? [04:16] Aria: Yep [04:16] mape: Yup [04:16] mjr_: damn [04:16] __mn__: oh, dangit, I was hoping it was just a problem with me :P [04:16] Aria: Yeah. . . [04:17] SubStack: if I knew where isaacs lived I would bike to his house [04:17] Aria: Nope. It's couchdb being dumb. [04:17] __mn__: how do you npm install from a git clone checkout? [04:17] SubStack: and DEMAND SOME ANSWERS [04:17] jesusabdullah: SubStack: that'd be horrible! [04:17] jesusabdullah: but also really funny imo [04:17] Aria: __mn__: npm install . [04:17] brianmario has joined the channel [04:17] SubStack: his github says he's in the same city as me [04:17] Aria: (or npm link .) [04:18] __mn__: right, but doesn't npm install [module] download from directory? [04:18] Aria: I believe the version where you specify a path doesn't. [04:18] __mn__: ooh, okay it worked, cool. [04:18] Aria: Hehe. [04:18] mape: I thought it was mongodb that broken stuff, not couch :P [04:18] __mn__: thanks :) [04:19] andrewfff: hi. i asked this a while ago but it looks like web-scraping people are here, so i'll ask again :) [04:19] gf3 has joined the channel [04:19] andrewfff: i want to scrape something behind a forms-and-cookie authentication method, so i need to do something like http://personalpages.tds.net/~kent37/kk/00010.html#e10form-based-authentication [04:20] micheil: creationix: got an invite. [04:20] andrewfff: is there an easy way? it seems to be outside the scope of what Apricot etc does [04:20] mape: andrewfff: http://github.com/aredridel/html5 [04:20] jesusabdullah: Hah :D [04:20] mape: check the first example [04:20] creationix: micheil: ohh, me too [04:20] micheil: sweet [04:20] micheil: testing this stuff out. [04:22] langworthy has joined the channel [04:22] Aria: Huh. This having people use stuff I wrote is kinda fun. [04:23] langworthy has joined the channel [04:23] __mn__: Aria: what did you write? [04:23] Aria: the html5 parser. [04:23] Aria: (the port to Javascript anyway) [04:23] mape: Aria: Is there any way not to have to use the wonky eval/runInNewContext part when doing the jQuery example? [04:23] mape: Seems like that could get annoying pretty fast [04:24] __mn__: nice [04:24] mape: And perhaps the example would be more interesting to most people if it showed fetching data rather then modifying? [04:24] Aria: Yeah, fetching is a bit out of scope of the parser, but I'll work up a whole series of examples. [04:24] Aria: And the runInNewContext is optional, but it does isolate things. [04:25] slashxr has joined the channel [04:26] mbrochh has joined the channel [04:27] __mn__: could somebody explain... if I"m using the mailer package - should I be able to receive emails from doing stuff off my localhost machine? [04:28] Aria: Heh, that's a bit complex to answer. [04:28] Aria: It'll let you connect to an SMTP server to send mail. [04:28] andrewfff: mape: yeah, i can pull and parse pages down okay, it's the cookie stuff that's not obvious to me. i was going to manually plug headers into http request objects but was wondering if there's a better way [04:28] Aria: Whether or not that actually results in you able to read it is dependent on that SMTP server. [04:28] __mn__: Aria: so... is there a packagte for an SMPT server? [04:29] __mn__: for instance, I am running an Amazon EC2 server right now, and I have SMPT ports active [04:29] Aria: __mn__: I'm writing one in node, but it barely works. Usually one uses what the OS provides in a development system, like sendmail, postfix or exim [04:29] __mn__: and I installed mailer module, and ran the demo, but I get an ECONNREFUSED error, is that expected? [04:29] __mn__: hmm [04:30] JimBastard: __mn__: node_mailer [04:30] JimBastard: ? [04:30] ryah: I'm not sure why people prefer httperf to ab [04:30] Aria: CONNREFUSED sounds like nothing's listening on the port. [04:30] __mn__: JimBastard: yes, node_mailer [04:30] Aria: (netstat -lnt!) [04:30] JimBastard: i wrote that [04:30] grahampage has left the channel [04:30] ryah: httperf eats all of my CPU and generates less load [04:30] JimBastard: it requires an smtp server [04:30] __mn__: JimBastard: sweet, oh okay... any pointers where I go to setup an SMPT server? [04:30] JimBastard: i think i talk about that in the readme [04:31] __mn__: JimBastard: isn't the ReadMe what shows up on github? [04:31] JimBastard: __mn__: i use sendmail, but im not sure what ec2 rules are about sending email from an instance [04:31] Aria: install postfix, as you would on your OS. [04:31] Aria: or if you feel like hacking, http://github.com/aredridel/node-smtp [04:31] Aria: (which can receive mail into a maildir right now, but no more) [04:31] __mn__: Aria: thanks. (postfix is an SMPT server? it works on Ubuntu?) [04:31] blaines has joined the channel [04:31] JimBastard: __mn__: the readme doesnt really get into how to setup a server, but if you look at the usage [04:31] JimBastard: email.send({ host : "localhost", // smtp server hostname port : "25", // smtp server port [04:31] JimBastard: you just point to it [04:32] JimBastard: node_mailer is super super simple [04:32] __mn__: JimBastard: I've never done anything with emails before, so I don't even know what SMTP servers are. [04:32] JimBastard: yeah [04:32] Aria: (Yeah, it's an SMTP server, and works on ubuntu. It's relatively sane.) [04:32] __mn__: Aria: Postfix better than sendmail? [04:32] Aria: smtp is the server that a sender connects to, and then accepts the mail for delivery or passes it on to the end system. [04:33] Aria: If you can understand sendmail's config file, you're a better man than I. Postfix at least makes some sort of sense. [04:33] Aria: In this "mail servers are super complex sometimes" sort of way, but it does at least tend to run out of the box. [04:33] __mn__: hmm [04:33] andrewfff: __mn__: if you've ever set up outlook or thunderbird or something, and typed in an address for an "outgoing mail server" - that's an SMTP server [04:34] Aria: (And if you want to learn how SMTP works, the node-smtp library there isn't a bad way to go. The code is pretty simple.) [04:34] __mn__: andrewfff: I've always avoided desktop based email clients, they are icky. [04:34] micheil: smtp is lovely. [04:34] micheil: it's a protocol that works. [04:34] micheil: just not for a asynchronous nature. [04:34] __mn__: Aria: I'll definitely look at your node-SMTP, thank you. [04:34] micheil: (it's a send/ack protocol) [04:34] micheil: ACTION was writing a binding for it. [04:34] Aria: (Yeah.) [04:35] Aria: (I wish LMTP hadn't had the big fat "don't use this on the internet" warning, though... per-receiver confirmation would make 50% of current email hell go away) [04:35] creationix: micheil: done, you can tip my twitter, vimeo, slideshare, creationix.com, or howtonode.org [04:35] chapel: ryah << why doesn't someone make a benchmark script using nodejs? [04:35] creationix: micheil: it's a very interesting idea [04:35] micheil: creationix: sweet. I don't have any money to tip though. [04:36] micheil: I've got github, brandedcode.com and twitter. [04:37] creationix: micheil: on your miksago account? [04:37] SINPacifist has joined the channel [04:37] micheil: yeah [04:38] creationix: hmm, has to be paypal [04:38] creationix: atleast you can fund it in bulk [04:38] creationix: and then tip a little at a time [04:38] micheil: yeah [04:38] micheil: I can see myself definitely using it once it's open and out there. [04:39] micheil: although, I think tips should expire if they're unclaimed. [04:39] micheil: so, like have a set of "these tips where never claimed" [04:39] langworthy has joined the channel [04:40] creationix: micheil: you have a dollar ;) [04:40] creationix: micheil++ [04:40] v8bot: creationix has given a beer to micheil. micheil now has 1 beers. [04:40] micheil: cool. [04:40] JimBastard: you guys know about flattr? [04:40] creationix: yeah, it's pretty cool too [04:40] creationix: but don't you need a banner on the site [04:40] JimBastard: i think you just need the button? [04:40] micheil: creationix: hmm.. I can't see it yet. [04:40] creationix: must not be node powered [04:40] creationix: or it would be real-time [04:41] micheil: yeah [04:41] micheil: it's Java. [04:41] creationix: I take back my tip [04:41] creationix: :P [04:41] micheil: (with mongodb) [04:41] micheil: creationix: :( [04:41] micheil: I was just about to tip you back. [04:41] creationix: micheil: don't worry, I can't take it back once funded [04:41] micheil: okay [04:41] creationix: oh, I see, I have to donate and then fund [04:41] creationix: ok, now it's funded [04:42] micheil: hey, cool. got it. [04:42] creationix: JimBastard: I thought about putting a flattr button on howtonode [04:42] creationix: I would love to somehow link it to the author and not have everything go to me though [04:42] creationix: I like tiptheweb because it doesn't clutter my page at all [04:42] JimBastard: creationix: i bet they have some sort of campaign tracking [04:43] __mn__: JimBastard: Okay, installed Postfix, and now I'm getting an error 220 and 250? [04:43] JimBastard: __mn__: no clue [04:43] micheil: creationix: I guess when you tip it'll use the title of the page [04:43] Aria: 220 is "Welcome" and 250 is "accepted" [04:44] Aria: Not errors. [04:44] micheil: then you can contact authors and ask if they want to have it, or if they want to spend on the hosting [04:44] JimBastard: i think mailer might need some love, but last time i tried it it did work [04:44] __mn__: hmm [04:44] JimBastard: its not really a high priority project atm, but it should work [04:45] __mn__: JimBastard: okay, thats fine. Thank you though. [04:45] creationix: micheil: yeah, that should work as long as it doesn't happen all the time [04:46] micheil: yeah [04:46] micheil: creationix: contact them say, every 6months or something? [04:46] creationix: well, then I'd have to keep records [04:46] creationix: if the tips are infrequent, i can do them as they come it [04:46] creationix: *in [04:46] creationix: I'll worry about it if it happens [04:47] creationix: more important things to work on now [04:47] micheil: yeah [04:47] micheil: creationix: just filter the tip history to htn.org and then go through them [04:47] micheil: creationix: under the awards section [04:47] creationix: true [04:48] micheil: (if I had 5$ in my paypal, I would've tipped you by now.) [04:48] creationix: yeah, not sure if this will take off [04:48] micheil: yeah [04:48] micheil: it's still interesting to play with. [04:48] micheil: and being it won a big prize supported by paypal, I'm sure it will take off. [04:49] creationix: ryah: you should claim nodejs.org [04:49] creationix: I'll give you a dollar if you do [04:49] creationix: ;) [04:50] killfill has joined the channel [04:50] jsilver_ has joined the channel [04:54] micheil: I'll give you 100$. [04:54] micheil: (hold my word to that.) [04:54] micheil: ACTION needs coffee. bbiab. [04:54] SubStack: beh it's only 21:54 [04:54] shimondoodkin: how to set a HandleScope to avariable that defined in another thread? [04:55] shaver: thread? [04:55] shimondoodkin: eio [04:55] shaver: oh [04:56] shimondoodkin: ive defined an array in eio function and returned it , i guess i need to assign it to the current scope in the after function [04:57] mape: creationix: he already has that domain? [04:57] micheil: shimondoodkin: you create a custom eio object. [04:57] creationix: mape: claim it in the tiptheweb.com system [04:58] micheil: shimondoodkin: give me 45 minutes and I'll be able to explain it to you. [04:58] __mn__: JimBastard: okay... so it sends a "Hello localhost" and says that the sender and recipient are OK, with message accepted for delivery... but I don't receive an email? (or do you not care to help me figure this out)? [04:58] creationix: mape: basically put in a custom meta tag to prove he owns it [04:58] mape: creationix: that is like flattr but on urls? [04:58] shimondoodkin: micheil: are you serious? [04:58] micheil: yes [04:58] creationix: yeah micheil has worked with that before [04:58] micheil: shimondoodkin: give me 45 minutes and I'll show you how. [04:58] JimBastard: __mn__: testing email sending can be tricky, it could have sent, but got tagged as spam, or still sending [04:59] micheil: I just need a coffee and some food first. [04:59] JimBastard: usually checking your outgoing smtp logs is a better indicator [04:59] creationix: mape: yeah, no banner or button needed on the site [04:59] shimondoodkin: ah i understand you mean later [04:59] shimondoodkin: ok [04:59] micheil: but yeah, I worked heavily with the eio_custom stuff, and have a bunch of unreleased bindings. [04:59] __mn__: JimBastard: oh woah! you are right, here it is. Will gmail always tag anything from it as spam? [05:00] __mn__: JimBastard: Okay, this is super cool, thank you. Very nice! [05:00] creationix: JimBastard: yeah, I used to work at this shop that built email engines [05:00] JimBastard: __mn__: there are certain things you can do to fix this, its not the code as much as gmail flagging it as spam since its coming from an unqualifed domain [05:00] creationix: the emails logs are your friend [05:00] JimBastard: creationix: can you provide any good links for getting your emails to be legit? [05:00] JimBastard: i know there are a few things you can do [05:01] creationix: check the canspam stuff [05:01] creationix: it's actually quite complicated [05:01] creationix: unless you go through a smarthost that has all the stuff built in [05:01] creationix: like your gmail's smtp [05:01] JimBastard: __mn__: pretty much, if you fire up a vps somewhere and try to send mail to a major provider, they will block it by default [05:01] creationix: but then you can only send from your gmail account [05:01] JimBastard: because, anyone can just start sending mail from anywhere [05:01] __mn__: VPS? [05:01] micheil: shimondoodkin: in the mean time, gist the code you have already [05:01] JimBastard: virtual private server [05:01] JimBastard: you are on an EC2 right? [05:02] __mn__: yes [05:02] shimondoodkin: ok [05:02] __mn__: okay yes that makes sense [05:02] JimBastard: yeah, thats a virtual server slice [05:02] __mn__: considering your obama@whitehouse.gov example [05:02] JimBastard: :-) [05:02] creationix: http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus61-can-spam-act-Compliance-Guide-for-Business [05:02] JimBastard: THE PRESIDENT SENT ME AN EMAIL [05:02] creationix: that's the legal side [05:02] __mn__: creationix: thanks [05:02] creationix: now finding tips to get around gmails filter [05:02] creationix: I'm pretty sure that's not documented [05:02] creationix: or the spammers would do it [05:02] JimBastard: creationix: whats that thing called [05:03] micheil: sending email might be better done in node.js via third party services at the moment. [05:03] creationix: but there are things like spf records and special headers [05:03] JimBastard: the extra thing you can do [05:03] shimondoodkin: http://gist.github.com/625605 [05:03] JimBastard: spf! [05:03] JimBastard: yes [05:03] micheil: that'd be the quickest way atm. [05:03] JimBastard: __mn__: if you really need to send emails out, i would suggest using a mail sending service, with an api [05:03] __mn__: huh, okay, thank you. SPF is one (it stands for?) [05:03] JimBastard: it sounds like are new to this, and from what we are hearing, its a complex thing [05:03] shaver: sender-permitted-from [05:03] creationix: thanks to SPAMMERS it's really complicated to send a legitimate email these days [05:04] micheil: JimBastard: up for writing a few wrappers? [05:04] __mn__: oof. well I'm glad I know that now. [05:04] micheil: ACTION is. [05:04] shimondoodkin: its a problem wioht your dns [05:04] micheil: (later) [05:04] JimBastard: micheil: i think we'll be adding outgoing smtp as part of the nodejitsu platform [05:04] shimondoodkin: s/wioht/with [05:04] JimBastard: so its just a matter of picking a good provider [05:04] micheil: JimBastard: I may start working on node-smtp again if there is demand for it. [05:05] micheil: it'll take some serious work + time though. [05:05] creationix: JimBastard: __mn__: so these are the guys I used to work for http://www.distribion.com/ [05:05] creationix: they know all about the rules [05:05] creationix: you can try to ask them their secrets, but not sure how that will go over [05:05] __mn__: micheil: postfix worked like a charm with JimBastard's. But having a nodejs SMTP would be pretty neat too. Necessary though? No. [05:06] __mn__: creationix: thanks. [05:06] micheil: well, yeah, I have a basic module built again 0.1.28 [05:06] micheil: I just need to update it, and fix it up to latest standards [05:10] mikeal has joined the channel [05:14] cagdas has joined the channel [05:14] cagdas: is npm down? (how many people asked before me?) [05:15] __mn__: cagdas: yes it is. [05:15] __mn__: cagdas: I did :P [05:15] mattcodes: micheil, Jimbastard, checkout www.postmarkapp.com http interface is volume is light [05:15] cagdas: oh ok thanks :) [05:15] __mn__: mattcodes: thanks [05:15] JimBastard: mattcodes: do you know those guys? [05:16] mattcodes: nope. just to be clear I use them on a site i just finished because all our mail was being spam boxed, no setup of reverse dns [05:16] JimBastard: id like to find a node friendly / interested shop and link up [05:16] JimBastard: get them a solid api wrapper [05:16] JimBastard: get us some good support [05:17] JimBastard: maybe just pick mailchimp, thats easy too [05:17] creationix: JimBastard: talk to my old employer [05:17] mattcodes: mailchimp does do transactional email though? [05:17] mattcodes: transactional mean single message, like thanks for signing up, here is your password reset etc.. [05:17] JimBastard: creationix: ill review the service a bit more [05:17] JimBastard: there isnt an immediate demand over here, but its something to think about for certain [05:17] creationix: JimBastard: I was talking about getting them to sponsor some node work [05:18] creationix: but their service is nice too [05:18] creationix: they compete with mailchimp [05:18] JimBastard: creationix: ill get it built for free, just would want some promotion / good support [05:18] ryah: v8 gets into these strange states where it wants to GC itself to death.. [05:18] __mn__: creationix: who competes with mailchimp? [05:18] shaver: responsys [05:18] mattcodes: jangomail? [05:18] SubStack: oh this is bollocks: assignment to Function.name doesn't maintain referential transparency [05:18] mattcodes: constant contact [05:18] ryah: when that is clearly not the optimal choice [05:18] creationix: __mn__: http://www.distribion.com/ [05:18] creationix: I worked there for a few years as the lead developer [05:19] creationix: very nice bunch, too much php [05:19] SubStack: v8: var f = function () {}; var n1 = f.name; f.name = 'pow'; [ n1, f.name ] [05:19] v8bot: SubStack: ["", ""] [05:19] SubStack: highly annoying! [05:19] creationix: ryah: yeah, but that only seems to happen when you have LOTS of objects [05:19] creationix: more than any sane webpage would ever have [05:19] SubStack: can't __defineGetter__ on it either [05:20] creationix: it's like "this can't be right, surely there is something to collect" [05:20] __mn__: creationix: define "more than any sange webpage would ever have"? [05:20] creationix: well in my case I had objects and/or properties on objects in the millions [05:20] __mn__: creationix: okay, good, thought so. So beyond millions? [05:21] creationix: in a web page usually objects are tied to dom elements [05:21] creationix: and that limits you to a much smaller number [05:21] __mn__: creationix: oh