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[00:04] gerred: anyone going to ruby|web conf?
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[00:06] JimBastard: whats ruby?
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[00:08] maushu: JimBastard, I think its a jewel.
[00:08] maushu: Nothing related to programming though, weird.
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[00:12] stagas: who wants to come to http://backgammon.stagas.com I added a lot of cool stuff :)
[00:13] _announcer: Twitter: "api node.js the Russian translation of the document.ー been scooped. But that is based 0.1.100. http://nodejs.ru/api.html # nodejs_jp" [ja] -- koichik. http://twitter.com/koichik/status/22753459785
[00:13] lianj: maushu: yeah, dont tell anyone about enjoyable languages..
[00:13] maushu: enjoyable languages?
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[00:17] JimBastard: LOL WTF
[00:17] JimBastard: http://www.hackiswack.com/
[00:17] JimBastard: ?!?!?!?!?!
[00:17] JimBastard: FOR REAL
[00:17] _announcer: Twitter: "Palm brings improved multitasking and Node.js to webOS 2.0: Palm's webOS smartphone platform introduced some http://url4.eu/78xMU" -- Cerebro Digital. http://twitter.com/digitalcerebro/status/22753813890
[00:18] JimBastard: norton and snoop dog are running a rapping contest about cyber crime?
[00:18] JimBastard: did i just lose my mind?
[00:18] maushu: JimBastard, we must be in an alternate universe.
[00:18] maushu: It happens.
[00:18] JimBastard: i think i died during node knockout and went to heaven
[00:18] maushu: Heaven?
[00:19] maushu: This is more like hell to me.
[00:19] JimBastard: ahahaha
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[00:25] _announcer: Twitter: "node.js KO entris (there's a lot of good ideas here): http://bit.ly/amTbOL" -- PerS. http://twitter.com/soderlind/status/22754358476
[00:26] _announcer: Twitter: "@xnotch have you heard of/seen/considered node.js for your login/verification sys? Might make good travel reading? Fast & lightweight." -- Stephen. http://twitter.com/Rhodesy/status/22754459652
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[00:28] _announcer: Twitter: "[Javascript] [event] [node.js] / Hakkason our favorite time of 48 Node.js Knockout Competition - multiplayer masterpiece of multi http://htn.to/TSRYok" [ja] -- ponkme. http://twitter.com/ponkme/status/22754602424
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[00:31] _announcer: Twitter: "You can manage it with webOS ... 2.0 <- With entuasiasmo and good technology (Node.js + HTML5), then -> http://developer.palm.com" [es] -- Alan Lazalde. http://twitter.com/alanlzd/status/22754835983
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[00:37] _announcer: Twitter: "Check out my updated multiplayer backgammon. You actually *throw* the dice and move the checkers around! http://bit.ly/cV8Wz1 #nodejs" -- George Stagas. http://twitter.com/stagas/status/22755252765
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[00:45] _announcer: Twitter: "Palm inviting devs to a node.js meet-up by the Bay: If you happen to live in the Bay area (or are looking for an e... http://bit.ly/drAeqk" -- apps4phones. http://twitter.com/apps4phones/status/22755769455
[00:46] _announcer: Twitter: "Palm inviting devs to a node.js meet-up by the Bay http://bit.ly/bbOaXz" -- precentral. http://twitter.com/precentral/status/22755879764
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[00:50] creationix: wow, someone wrote an article about my meetup
[00:50] creationix: that's crazy
[00:51] Tim_Smart: Which meetup?
[00:51] creationix: A local node meetup at palm
[00:51] creationix: see the last two tweets
[00:51] Tim_Smart: Ah
[00:52] _announcer: Twitter: "The head is dazed. Wonder why. Investigators were at home when I node.js was okay" [ja] -- takerou. http://twitter.com/takerou/status/22756344168
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[00:55] _announcer: Twitter: "Wow.  Cute.  Node is our turtle shell; Node.js now powers services on webOS http://t.co/8bwSrmC" -- lloydhilaiel. http://twitter.com/lloydhilaiel/status/22756511899
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[00:57] _announcer: Twitter: "http://fortnightlabs.posterous.com/deploying-with-nodejs" -- Drew LeSueur. http://twitter.com/drewlesueur/status/22756682107
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[00:59] chilts: stagas: hey, thanks for teaching me backgammon!!!
[01:00] chilts: can't believe I've never played it before
[01:00] chilts: sorry, checkers :)
[01:00] chilts: wait, it _is_ backgammon!
[01:00] _announcer: Twitter: "Node.js used to mirror DOM across browsers http://bit.ly/bgVg46" -- Justin Vincent. http://twitter.com/justinvincent/status/22756914459
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[01:05] masch: anyone ever worked with node-worker?
[01:07] creationix: hey, what's the name of the node debugger that integrates with the browser?
[01:07] aaronblohowiak: masch: not yet, but i am interested in hearing about your experiences
[01:07] creationix: this one? http://github.com/dannycoates/node-inspector
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[01:07] aaronblohowiak: creationix: node-inspector ?
[01:07] aaronblohowiak: ha
[01:08] masch: aaronblohowiak: just want to know if it has some kind of script cache. For example if i create a new Worker with the same filename, does it reload the file or does it uses a cache or something? 
[01:08] aaronblohowiak: masch: ah, idk
[01:09] masch: okay.. it uses nodes child_process objekt..
[01:10] masch: so i think.. it uses the current file, nothing is cached 
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[01:11] masch: so it might be usefull for reloadable modules
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[01:13] stagas: chilts: hehe I'm surprised everybody plays here :) checkers are also called the pieces you play with backgammon, besides the game, on the back side usually you can play checkers with the same pieces or chess
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[01:16] _announcer: Twitter: "scrabb.ly - a massive multiplayer scrabble (using nodejs, mongodb geospacial indexing) is really awesome! good job! http://t.co/veGKy3T" -- Régis Gaidot. http://twitter.com/rgaidot/status/22758093427
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[01:21] _announcer: Twitter: "node.js and sencha (ext.js) and somehow found the relationship between joyent!" [ja] -- 大久保和彦. http://twitter.com/okbo/status/22758439146
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[01:24] edw: I just installed node.js from the github repo and I got an error on 'make test': 'Command: build/default/node /Users/edw/dev/node/test/simple/test-exception-handler2.js'
[01:24] edw: "ReferenceError: nonexistentFunc is not defined"
[01:25] edw: Is this a known, no-big-deal problem?
[01:25] rwhitby: anyone got any good node.js links which you think webOS users should read first?  I'm adding them to http://webos101.com/Node.js
[01:26] JimBastard: rwhitby: howtonode
[01:26] JimBastard: .org
[01:26] _announcer: Twitter: "Our Favorite New Apps From The Node.js Knockout Competition http://bit.ly/aGUJca" -- Leon Atkinson. http://twitter.com/leonatkinson/status/22758805562
[01:31] megana: isaacs!
[01:31] megana: isaacs!
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[01:36] moos3: evening anyone here?
[01:36] callen: moos3: howdy
[01:37] moos3: i'm trying to figure out how to use socket.io for websockets, and looking for a bit of guidance
[01:38] callen: moos3: well I'd say start pastebinning errors or describing your problem
[01:39] meso: moos3: This is a good sample program. http://gist.github.com/488562
[01:40] moos3: here is what i have so far http://gist.github.com/561695
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[01:43] masch: moos3: the syntax in line 41 is incorrect 
[01:43] masch: replace that : with an , and it will be fine 
[01:43] moos3: ideas on what i'm doing wrong
[01:43] masch: see line 53, thats how it is correct 
[01:44] masch: the syntax ist .addListener(event, callback)  and not .addListener(event: callback) 
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[01:45] masch: do you see what i mean?
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[01:47] aaronblohowiak: what do you guys think about event emitters vs callbacks?
[01:47] moos3: yeah
[01:48] masch: aaronblohowiak: i think both of them have pros
[01:48] aaronblohowiak: masch: is there a general guideline about when to use one or the other?
[01:49] masch: if it exists, i don't know it 
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[01:50] masch: i would say if you have recurrent events, you should emit them and add a listener 
[01:50] masch: if you just want to read a file or something like that, use a callback
[01:50] aaronblohowiak: masch: hmm. ok, cool
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[01:50] brainproxy: getting openssl not found when building v0.2.0 even though openssl.h is inded install as part of gnutls-dev, and libssl-dev is also installed; this is on ubuntu 10.04 server
[01:51] masch: i would hate to do something like that: fs.readFile(filename).addListener('data', function(err, data) { ...  }); 
[01:52] aaronblohowiak: masch: gotcha
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[01:53] masch: aaronblohowiak: but i'm very new to event driven development, so you better listen to some of the other guys here because they know what they are talking about 
[01:53] aaronblohowiak: :-)
[01:53] moos3: masch, ideas on this http://gist.github.com/561704
[01:54] masch: moos3: i think you wan't to use the socket.io library. so you have to include it
[01:54] masch: ohh you do.. sry
[01:54] masch: its late here >.<
[01:54] moos3: lol its here too i know the feeling
[01:54] pretzel: what's the preferred way to deploy a nodejs app?
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[01:55] moos3: masch, the socket.io stuff i just downloaded this morning
[01:55] moos3: so its recent
[01:56] aaronblohowiak: masch: it was updated today
[01:56] aaronblohowiak: so
[01:56] aaronblohowiak: :-)
[01:56] masch: hmm i think you miss the socket.io initialisation 
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[01:57] masch: ohh i see .. i think that might be the bug 
[01:57] aaronblohowiak: :-)
[01:57] masch: http://github.com/LearnBoost/Socket.IO-node read the "Implementing it on your project" part
[01:58] moos3: k hanks
[01:58] moos3: thanks**
[01:58] masch: you have to create a socket object from calling io.listen and than add the listener to this object, not directly to the io object 
[01:58] moos3: aww
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[02:01] masch: sry guy, i have to got to bed now. its nearly 4am 
[02:01] masch: have a good night and much fun hacking! 
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[02:03] _announcer: Twitter: "loving vows (BDD lib for node.js): http://vowsjs.org/" -- Scott Raymond. http://twitter.com/sco/status/22761351812
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[02:06] _announcer: Twitter: "Spent the better part of two hours trying, in vain, to install/compile node.js on the old PowerBook G4. Giving up on tech tonight." -- Sean O. http://twitter.com/seanodotcom/status/22761480871
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[02:17] _announcer: Twitter: "webOS 2.0 will include node.js http://bit.ly/cC8u7K" -- Raul H Macias. http://twitter.com/raulhmacias/status/22762168776
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[02:19] _announcer: Twitter: "[B!] Hakkason our favorite time of 48 Node.js Knockout Competition - multiplayer masterpiece of multi http://jp.techcrunch.com/archives/20100901nodejs-knockout/" [ja] -- じゅみたか. http://twitter.com/jumitaka/status/22762291028
[02:20] _announcer: Twitter: " Node.js is genuinely exciting http://bit.ly/5wVnjB" -- KikaiTaro. http://twitter.com/KTaro/status/22762320426
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[02:24] _announcer: Twitter: "Palm inviting devs to a node.js meet-up by the Bay http://dlvr.it/4Zfk2 #palm #pre #mobile #tech #mobile #fb" -- HTC Dev. http://twitter.com/htcdev/status/22762607589
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[02:35] _announcer: Twitter: "http://vowsjs.org or http://visionmedia.github.com/expresso, so much win, so hard to choose. #nodejs" -- Mat Schaffer. http://twitter.com/matschaffer/status/22763334297
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[02:52] megana: ddd
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[02:55] JimBastard: !tweet @matschaffer have you seen this.... kinda favors vows... http://nodeknockout.com/teams/the-nyc-nodejitsu-ninjas
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[03:06] TooTallNate: creationix: ping
[03:07] qfinder: Hi all -- quick one: is there a way to instantiate a new object from a constructor function given the function's name as a string?
[03:08] TooTallNate: qfinder: How about `eval("new " + funcName + "()")`
[03:09] qfinder: TooTallNate: ahh yes, somehow I block eval from mind... that would certainly do it. But there is no toLiteral() method or anything?
[03:10] qfinder: (or operator)
[03:10] _announcer: Twitter: "ok, people were having a hard time to dig the concept, so I've made a screencast http://vimeo.com/14626831 - Detacheable UI #nodeko #nodejs" -- Fabricio Zuardi. http://twitter.com/fczuardi/status/22765760302
[03:12] TooTallNate: qfinder: well if you know that the constructor is available globally you could try `GLOBAL[funcName]()`
[03:15] qfinder: TooTallNate: huh - interesting idea, yeah that could fly
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[03:16] qfinder: TooTallNate: or actively pre-collect any potential functions in a container object as such
[03:16] mde: qfinder: Right, just remember functions are just objects in JS, you can pass them around.
[03:17] mde: So you can do stuff like `var ctor = someContext[constructorName]; var inst = new ctor(argA, argB);`
[03:18] mde: Where someContext is your collection of constructors keyed by name.
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[03:23] qfinder: mde: yep - definitely. The whole new operator object creation approach adds an interesting twist though.
[03:24] mde: qfinder: Maybe a little, but it's just a special invocation mode, that's all. 
[03:24] Guest10496: hi, can someone provide some insight on sockets via socket.io? how can i have, for example, more than one chat going?
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[03:25] mde: I never really thought consciously about it until I was reading Crockford's book, but all the three modes do is change what "this" points to.
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[03:28] Guest10496: anyone? thoughts on socket.io?
[03:28] qfinder: mde: haha - me too... well this and return. The one trixy bit seems to be the actual prototype object cloning -- I would like to get that "for free" (eh, so to speak) by using new. (Incidentally, I just noticed the Object.create method crockford provides actually uses new internally.) I guess you could create a new object literal and then manually copy all the prototype stuff in, but would prefer to stick to new if possible
[03:28] Aria: Guest10496: Start two. Use IDs to keep the streams separate. Lots of ways.
[03:28] _announcer: Twitter: "@robertbrook would like to know how you use node.js? If you have time-- idle curiosity" -- Mark Bernstein. http://twitter.com/eastgate/status/22767035660
[03:29] _announcer: Twitter: "Super impressed by simulchart http://awesometown.no.de/ #nodeko #nodejs" -- Andrew Homeyer. http://twitter.com/andrewhomeyer/status/22767093471
[03:30] Aria: Guest10496: Or vary the resource you use.
[03:30] mde: qfinder: Right, some people are very interested in the idea of eschewing "new," with the idea of trying to avoid the mistake of pretending to be classical inheritance.
[03:30] Guest10496: Aria: how would you pass the IDs? what am i missing on the socket.io readme? is there a param for io.Socket?
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[03:30] mde: I don't mind "new" at all -- it's built into the language, and it's a nice syntactic cue that objects are being constructed.
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[03:31] Aria: Guest10496: Look at the readme, search for 'resource'
[03:31] Guest10496: ok thanks
[03:31] _announcer: Twitter: "Hey node.js: Be like lessc and add a --watch startup parameter for dev environments!  :)" -- Patrick Corcoran. http://twitter.com/pcorcoran/status/22767239866
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[03:32] mde: You can have a maker function or whatever, but people who aren't familiar with your API might not realize that it's constructing.
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[03:33] Aria: Unless you call it createSomething.
[03:33] qfinder: mde: indeed... lots of stuff I like about JS, but the object creation / instantiation is, eh, a little convoluted :)
[03:34] _announcer: Twitter: "@treyhyde Then you're not going to like node.js :)" -- Frozen Canuck. http://twitter.com/frozencanuck/status/22767383714
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[03:35] Guest10496: Aria: so you can change resource to 'some_id' for separate socket functionality?
[03:35] Aria: Yeah, it's the name of the endpoint. 
[03:35] Guest10496: ah gotchya, awesome, thanks!
[03:37] _announcer: Twitter: "[Tumblr] Hakkason our favorite time of 48 Node.js Knockout Competition - masterpiece of multi multiplayer - 48 .. ➪ http://am6.jp/citpaT mint time" [ja] -- kazuya kawaguchi. http://twitter.com/kazu_pon/status/22767573558
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[03:37] _announcer: Twitter: "Nice read about creating & implementing custom events in node.js http://is.gd/eQvRD weeee #nodejs (Thanks @kenny_shen)" -- Benjamin W. Smith. http://twitter.com/benjaminws/status/22767621371
[03:37] mde: qfinder: For me the best approach seems to be sticking with plain-Jane prototypal inheritance and mixins, shallow hierarchies.
[03:38] mde: And not using classical-crutches from libraries unless I'm forced to. :)
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[03:39] qfinder: mde: incidentally that's what seems to be what I'm refactoring my way towards as well -- never a dull moment with node :)
[03:40] mde: qfinder: JS is a fun, satisfying language, and Node is a really solid platform to use it on. :)
[03:40] mde: Always best when you try to go with the JavaScripty grain, not against it. 
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[03:47] _announcer: Twitter: "web News: Palm Bay Area developers invited to participate in node.js party, should be developed for the webOS 2.0 for power - http://sinaurl.cn/GL7lC # webos" [zh-CN] -- simon_xu72. http://twitter.com/simon_xu72/status/22768289893
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[03:48] _announcer: Twitter: "How did I miss that http://howtonode.org has an awesome publication platform utilizing git, written in node? http://is.gd/eQx7e #nodejs" -- Benjamin W. Smith. http://twitter.com/benjaminws/status/22768348116
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[03:55] visnup: sorting: http://nodeknockout.com/teams#design
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[04:05] _announcer: Twitter: "What is the end game http://bit.ly/co4FlS Node.js" [ja] -- kamitter. http://twitter.com/kamitter/status/22769404998
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[04:15] _announcer: Twitter: "Really intrigued by #CoffeeScript + #node.js + #JQuery + #WebOS. #Javascript is now quite up in my list; so lispy sometimes!" -- tbatchelli. http://twitter.com/tbatchelli/status/22770037272
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[04:29] dodger: hey howdy all
[04:37] visnup: yo
[04:37] mape: mornin
[04:38] _announcer: Twitter: "Time Hakkason candidates winning 48 Node.js Knockout Competition - multiplayer masterpiece of multi http://htn.to/AJ9FZq" [ja] -- しかじろう【渡辺慎二郎】. http://twitter.com/shikajiro/status/22771377721
[04:38] mape: visnup: will we be able to update our app the minute the voting is over?
[04:38] visnup: hah
[04:39] visnup: give us maybe a day?
[04:39] visnup: not sure yet
[04:39] visnup: good question
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[04:46] _announcer: Twitter: "Hey, South Bay friends, Node.js Meetup will be held at Palm (W.Maude at Mary in Sunnyvale) on Sept.14. http://bit.ly/aanF3O" -- Tomomi Imura. http://twitter.com/girlie_mac/status/22771856209
[04:47] _announcer: Twitter: "node.js気になる" -- Kunio Murasawa. http://twitter.com/m92o/status/22771898035
[04:49] _announcer: Twitter: "node.js looks interesting. / Hakkason our favorite time of 48 Node.js Knockout Competition - multiplayer masterpiece of multi http://htn.to/L6DWuZ" [ja] -- 河合 太郎. http://twitter.com/inuro/status/22772029300
[04:51] ehaas: anyone have experience dealing with doubles in node/v8 extensions
[04:52] ehaas: when i pass Number.MIN_VALUE into an extension and then convert to a float, i get 0
[04:52] ehaas: this doesn't happen with Number.MAX_VALUE though
[04:52] ehaas: (by float i mean double)
[04:52] _announcer: Twitter: "}).listen(8124, "127.0.0.1"); / node.js http://htn.to/os2Kif" -- 河合 太郎. http://twitter.com/inuro/status/22772211397
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[05:26] danfo: hello!
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[05:28] danfo: I'm having real heartbreak trying to do some xml to json
[05:28] mattikus: why switch?
[05:28] danfo: I'm just trying to parse some xml
[05:28] danfo: soap
[05:29] danfo: xml2json dies with a syntax error, so that includes restler; libxmljs parses, but whenever I access children it returns undefined
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[05:32] aaronblohowiak: is your xml valid?
[05:35] danfo: it's a string that is a soap reply - it looks fine to me
[05:35] danfo: I should do a small test...
[05:39] _announcer: Twitter: "node.js sprouting. Ikasu server side javascript" [ja] -- 武田昌明. http://twitter.com/takemasa5/status/22774618794
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[05:43] _announcer: Twitter: "OMG, Web 2.0 sucks big time! Web 3.0 is just around the corner - http://mrte.ch/7oy #nodejs #html5" -- Mel Reyes. http://twitter.com/mrtech/status/22774820205
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[05:56] _announcer: Twitter: "@evanbottcher still disappointed by the lack of node.js - sure, it might not be very enterprisey, but I'd expect it in "hold" at least." -- Kornelis Sietsma. http://twitter.com/kornys/status/22775433862
[05:57] JimBastard: !tweet @kornys we are working on it...http://nodeknockout.com/teams/the-nyc-nodejitsu-ninjas
[05:57] Tim_Smart: Heh.
[05:59] _announcer: Twitter: "TowerDefence node.js made games. Naa I&#39;m good. http://piston-hurricane.no.de/ # nodejs # nodejs_jp" [ja] -- Toshihiro Shimizu. http://twitter.com/meso/status/22775573676
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[06:10] tladuke: is there a way to export objects from main back into a module?
[06:13] aaronblohowiak: JimBastard: did you read the report?
[06:13] JimBastard: aaronblohowiak: ?
[06:13] aaronblohowiak: JimBastard: in the document that kornys was referencing...it doesnt mention node specifically but it does mention js as a first class language
[06:14] JimBastard: sorry im knee deep in the prenup rabbit hole
[06:14] JimBastard: <3 jquery namespaced events
[06:14] callen: JimBastard: I thought you were talking about getting married there for a moment
[06:14] aaronblohowiak: tladuke: what are you trying to do?
[06:14] JimBastard: callen: you peep our project at all?
[06:15] JimBastard: its kinda cool, if you are into testing
[06:15] JimBastard: or cucumber 
[06:15] callen: JimBastard: I am actually into Cucumber, I was busy when I was looking at it so I haven't had the chance to really look it over. Relink?
[06:16] JimBastard: http://nodeknockout.com/teams/the-nyc-nodejitsu-ninjas
[06:16] callen: JimBastard: I just got a macbook pro yesterday so I've been busy getting dev/apps boostrapped on it.
[06:16] JimBastard: feel free to downvote us >.<
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[06:16] callen: the contest is over
[06:16] JimBastard: nice, i dropped gatorade all over mine
[06:16] callen: and there are 3 other people on the team.
[06:16] JimBastard: it magically turned back on the next day
[06:16] callen: is it still working to this day?
[06:17] JimBastard: yep
[06:17] JimBastard: keys are sticky
[06:17] callen: that's particularly impressive because gatorade conducts electricity better than something like tap water.
[06:17] JimBastard: doesnt really light up
[06:17] aaronblohowiak: callen: because of the salt?
[06:17] tladuke: aaronblohowiak: i'm just starting to look at node... i have a udp module that listens, i'm trying to think a clean way to make it send, based on things that might be happening in main or other modules
[06:17] JimBastard: its got electrolytes, it what laptops crave
[06:18] callen: aaronblohowiak: yeah, s'why they're called electrolytes
[06:18] callen: aaronblohowiak: although it's really just to prevent hyponatremia
[06:18] aaronblohowiak: tladuke: a common pattern is for your module to expose a constructor and then you pass that constructor whatever arguments it needs.  
[06:18] callen: technically gatorade isn't really all that isotonic with blood though. Better off with coconut water.
[06:19] aaronblohowiak: tladuke: or you can have your module expose an EventEmitter and then you can bind your function to listen to its events or vice versa
[06:19] tladuke: aaronblohowiak: ah that kind of makes sense i think
[06:19] aaronblohowiak: callen: mmm coconut water
[06:19] aaronblohowiak: tladuke: cool, it should be an easy refactoring
[06:19] callen: aaronblohowiak: believe it or not that's one of the better things you can drink, if you don't over-do it.
[06:20] aaronblohowiak: callen: better how?
[06:20] JimBastard: is anyone here doing js1k?
[06:21] callen: aaronblohowiak: better than throwing off your electrolytes and harming your running performance with pure water, or getting fat and logy drinking tons of gatorade.
[06:21] Tim_Smart: Oh nice http://playnice.ly/blog/2010/05/05/a-fast-fuzzy-full-text-index-using-redis/
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[06:21] aaronblohowiak: callen: ah cool
[06:21] callen: aaronblohowiak: over-hydration actually harms your running performance than under hydration in most cases.
[06:21] callen: I hate that I know all of this, I could give a fuck less about running.
[06:22] callen: couldn't*
[06:22] aaronblohowiak: callen: :) cool
[06:22] callen: JimBastard: this is really impressive. was kyuri made during node KO or prior to it?
[06:22] JimBastard: during, check the commit log
[06:22] JimBastard: indexzero is a beast
[06:22] JimBastard: and, thank you! :-)
[06:23] callen: JimBastard: I was about to on gh. Mind if I steal him for a startup idea?
[06:23] callen: JimBastard: I don't actually have one yet, I just want to steal him.
[06:23] JimBastard: who?
[06:23] callen: indexzero.
[06:23] JimBastard: :-\
[06:23] JimBastard: we got a team!
[06:23] JimBastard: http://github.com/nodejitsu/
[06:23] callen: cuke in multiple languages in that span of time?
[06:23] callen: it's ridiculous.
[06:23] JimBastard: thats nodejitsu 
[06:23] JimBastard: not everyone competed though, just four of us
[06:23] callen: 
ACTION nods

[06:23] JimBastard: cloudhead and tmpvar were occupied
[06:24] callen: I was too, actually.
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[06:24] Tim_Smart: JimBastard: Is nodejitsu actually a startup?
[06:25] JimBastard: Tim_Smart: what does "actually" mean
[06:25] JimBastard: nodejitsu is a business in the united states 
[06:25] JimBastard: its legit
[06:25] JimBastard: we got lawyers and stuff
[06:25] Tim_Smart: actually = ZOMG ARE YOU SERIOUS
[06:26] JimBastard: we got some funding
[06:26] Tim_Smart: Nice!@
[06:26] Tim_Smart: s/@//
[06:26] SubStack: JimBastard: awesome!
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[06:27] Tim_Smart: I'm looking for a node.js job... I might join LearnBoost but that hasn't worked out too well. They aren't too good at following up.
[06:27] ryah: hi
[06:27] _announcer: Twitter: "Palm brings improved multitasking and Node.js to webOS 2.0 http://tinyurl.com/26n5tlx #palm #multitasking" -- Horst Gaukel. http://twitter.com/boa_muenchen/status/22776873345
[06:27] JimBastard: it helps when all your partners are software developers who have been working at least two full time jobs for years
[06:27] Tim_Smart: ryah: Oh hai!
[06:27] JimBastard: can handle high amounts of work, have monies
[06:28] callen: JimBastard: I actually had a problem related to that recently
[06:28] mikeal: creationix1: you around?
[06:28] callen: JimBastard: potential partner was unemployed, broke, and impatient.
[06:28] JimBastard: wont work
[06:28] callen: JimBastard: didn't seem to grok "keep yer day job, give up the nightlife and work"
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[06:28] callen: JimBastard: oh yes, that became obvious really fast.
[06:28] JimBastard: notacoder
[06:29] JimBastard: aight ig otta focus, bbl
[06:29] JimBastard: peace
[06:29] callen: later
[06:29] mape: Hmm anyone poking with twitter?
[06:30] mape: Been fiddling with node-oauth this morning, and a couple of minutes ago I got "Basic authentication is not supported"
[06:30] mape: or keep getting
[06:30] mape: but it worked 10min ago..
[06:30] mjr__: Yeah, you need oauth for realz now
[06:30] Tim_Smart: mape: They dropped it recently.
[06:30] mjr__: They pretty much turned it off for good today.
[06:30] mape: well I am using oauth?
[06:31] mikeal: that really pissed me off
[06:31] mikeal: oauth is terrible
[06:31] mape: var oa = new OAuth('http://twitter.com/oauth/request_token', 'http://twitter.com/oauth/access_token', '*******', '*********************', '1.0', null, 'HMAC-SHA1');
[06:31] mikeal: mape: using which library?
[06:31] mape: node-oauth
[06:32] mikeal: why isn't that in the readme
[06:32] mikeal: or any docs whatsoever
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[06:33] _announcer: Twitter: "Sooo tired. Too many late nights playing with #nodejs. I think I've spent $150 on Red Bull in the last few weeks :S" -- Keith Pitt. http://twitter.com/keithpitt/status/22777112049
[06:33] matt_c: http://github.com/jdub/twitter-node/ has some of the more concise oauth stuff I've seen in it.
[06:34] mape: mikeal: the twitter example?
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[06:38] mikeal: any example :)
[06:39] _announcer: Twitter: "My love for node.js is only increasing." -- Christopher Giffard. http://twitter.com/cgiffard/status/22777391530
[06:40] callen: ryah: ^^ you've made something nice :)
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[06:41] _announcer: Twitter: "About to do my Node.js Knockout judging (finally!). http://nodeknockout.com/" -- Evan Doll. http://twitter.com/edog1203/status/22777469055
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[06:46] _announcer: Twitter: "@kejadlen have you read stuff announced in WebOS2.0? It's pretty bad ass. Just Type, node.js, PDK that interconnects native/web code..." -- Chieze O. http://twitter.com/mastercko/status/22777714376
[06:47] mape: Tim_Smart: Now it works again.. :P
[06:47] mape: mjr__: ^
[06:47] mape: Seems the twitter api is wonky
[06:47] Tim_Smart:  Oh wait, I think I saw something about that.
[06:47] Tim_Smart: nodejitsu
[06:48] Tim_Smart: Whoops.
[06:48] Tim_Smart: paste fail.
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[06:50] Tim_Smart: mape: http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:x9Tg9W_1JysJ:countdowntooauth.com
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[06:58] _announcer: Twitter: "@rishabhverma ever tried node.js?" -- Konark Modi. http://twitter.com/konarkmodi/status/22778209314
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[07:00] mape: and again.. 401 : {"errors":[{"code":53,"message":"Basic authentication is not supported"}]}
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[07:01] mape: Tim_Smart: well it worked this morning, then it stopped, then it worked again literally 1min ago for a couple thousand requests, then broke again
[07:02] Tim_Smart: mape: It was supposed to be dead end of last month
[07:02] mape: Yeah, but like I said, I
[07:02] mape: *I'm using node-oauth
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[07:03] Tim_Smart: Oh so oauth is screwing over?
[07:03] mape: Seems like it
[07:03] mape: Unless node-oauth is using basic auth :P
[07:05] mape: Might be that I'm getting blocked but in that case the error message is shite
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[07:09] BryanWB: anybody working on a fabric like tool for node? http://docs.fabfile.org/0.9.1/
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[07:14] _announcer: Twitter: "@ Mageekguy Not really. Javascript is low-level API and framework. PHP is THE ultimate glue language. But NodeJS is nice." [fr] -- Ivan Enderlin. http://twitter.com/hoaproject/status/22778917081
[07:16] _announcer: Twitter: "I'm not sure I get node.js, it's a scalable low-level distributed system framework in javascript?" -- atubbs. http://twitter.com/atubbs/status/22779004101
[07:17] _announcer: Twitter: "anybody working on a #nodejs tool to automate system administration tasks across different machines? much like #func and fabric do" -- Bryan. http://twitter.com/bryanwb/status/22779030265
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[07:20] _announcer: Twitter: "node.js chat implementation. / Ry&#39;s node_chat at master - GitHub http://htn.to/xrELdG" [ja] -- 河合 太郎. http://twitter.com/inuro/status/22779154431
[07:20] JimBastard: ahahaha http://shacknation.com/post/1025948683/developer-hideouts-tracked-down
[07:20] JimBastard: AWESOME
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[07:23] danielzilla: BryanWB: Dammit, now I want to write that.
[07:23] BryanWB: danielzilla, pls do, it would be a sweet tool. Python isn't a very good language for it
[07:24] danielzilla: Ahem. Be gentle there... :)
[07:25] callen: what tool?
[07:25] BryanWB: sorry, but async programming really lends itself to automating shell scripts
[07:25] BryanWB: callen, fabric, a python tool for automating shell scripts to run on different *nix machines
[07:26] callen: BryanWB: oh, I use fabric all the time.
[07:26] callen: BryanWB: you're saying, port it for node.js I take it?
[07:26] BryanWB: callen, yes
[07:26] callen: BryanWB: that would be brilliant for large deployments.
[07:26] callen: BryanWB: capistrano and fabric choke with large numbers of servers.
[07:26] BryanWB: callen, have u also used func? my new boss wants me to look at it
[07:27] callen: BryanWB: the fedora tool?
[07:28] mape: Hmm wonder how much the votes will shift now that the final judges start voting
[07:28] callen: BryanWB: I deathly avoid overly specific (like distribution specific) tools like that.
[07:28] BryanWB: callen, good to know
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[07:30] unomi: JimBastard: why is it that visit http://prenup.nodejitsu.com links to lowdownapp.com ?
[07:30] unomi: http://github.com/nodejitsu/prenup
[07:31] JimBastard: unomi: fixed and pushed, thanks
[07:31] unomi: np
[07:32] JimBastard: mape: its anyones game
[07:32] JimBastard: mape: i have a secret surprise in the am
[07:32] JimBastard: :-)
[07:32] mape: Get your friends to downvote everyone else and upvote you? :P
[07:32] V1: Wewt! My boss decided he like http://speedo.no.de so much he wants me to invest more time and money on it :) I'm now allowed to continue development on it during my working hours <3!
[07:32] JimBastard: BryanWB: i have a cap port in the making
[07:32] JimBastard: mape: i refuse
[07:33] JimBastard: mape: i wont go bastarding up the voting
[07:33] BryanWB: JimBastard, ? cap? what is that?
[07:33] JimBastard: nice V1 
[07:33] mape: Hehe people are already doing that so no worrys 
[07:33] JimBastard: BryanWB: cappistrano
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[07:33] BryanWB: JimBastard, ah sweet, I look forward to it
[07:33] JimBastard: mape: i hope particpants dont start mass downvoting, that wouldnt be cool
[07:34] JimBastard: but yeah, tommorow
[07:34] dilvie: EventEmitter is very cool.
[07:34] JimBastard: nodejitsu surprise!
[07:34] dilvie: I like how it works.
[07:34] JimBastard: dilvie: aye
[07:35] dilvie: JimBastard: any chance it would be easy to get EventEmitter support in the browser?
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[07:35] russell_h: you could implement an eventemitter in the browser, it wouldn't be that hard
[07:35] JimBastard: dilvie: one sec
[07:36] JimBastard: dilvie: done http://github.com/Marak/gemini.js/blob/master/lib/modules/events.js
[07:36] JimBastard: its really simple
[07:36] JimBastard: i like to use jquery.bind and jquery.trigger
[07:36] dilvie: very cool.
[07:36] JimBastard: with namespaced events
[07:36] JimBastard: prenup uses that
[07:36] JimBastard: its coming along
[07:36] JimBastard: http://prenup.nodejitsu.com/
[07:37] JimBastard: so you can .bind('foo.method')
[07:37] dilvie: JimBastard - do you use jQuery for your events in Node, or just in the browser?
[07:37] JimBastard: dilvie: just browser
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[07:37] JimBastard: in node for our big app, we have like 12 namedspaced events
[07:37] JimBastard: and we custom build the event chain
[07:37] dilvie: I'd like it if I can stick to one event system so that it works in both my client and server-side code.
[07:37] JimBastard: and pass stuff around
[07:37] JimBastard: use the EE
[07:37] JimBastard: i bet its good
[07:37] JimBastard: it needs namespaced events though
[07:38] JimBastard: i dont know if ryah would put that in core
[07:38] JimBastard: or if you can, and im dumb
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[07:39] unomi: you might be able to just use the yui3 node library
[07:40] unomi: then you get sweet custom event functionality
[07:40] dilvie: unomi: YUI3's event system seems awkward compared to both jQuery .bind / .trigger and Node EventEmitter
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[07:41] V1: Thanks JimBastard :)
[07:41] mape: JimBastard: already happening :) http://nodeknockout.com/people/4c7ed6452ca97752340000d7
[07:42] JimBastard: mape: meh
[07:42] JimBastard: fuck that dude
[07:42] JimBastard: hopefully they will fix that
[07:42] V1: mape: Nice he fucked us over good
[07:43] JimBastard: V1: be sure to bring that up, not cool
[07:43] mape: Hehe I don't really care :P
[07:43] JimBastard: id like to win utility category
[07:43] mape: Seems like the ones who get stuff like that are pretty well off anyway
[07:43] JimBastard: that would be nice
[07:43] JimBastard: i told the guys id give away our prizes already...lol
[07:43] mape: I wanna win the iPhonez so I don't have to buy one
[07:43] JimBastard: except the jsconf ticks
[07:43] unomi: the scrabble board I liked
[07:43] V1: I would like to push mape away from the best solo ;D
[07:44] mape: V1: If you win innovation I'll swap you whatever I win ;)
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[07:44] mape: If I do that is
[07:44] V1: mape: I doubt that I would anything :p
[07:44] JimBastard: i wasnt too excited about the heat maps guys, there are two of those?
[07:44] V1: Yes, mine and Jackaloops
[07:44] mape: 
ACTION points to V1 

[07:44] JimBastard: did anyone opensource the heatmaps?
[07:44] JimBastard: like repo?
[07:45] V1: I'm atm,
[07:45] JimBastard: well, thats more like it
[07:45] JimBastard: SOMEONE MIGHT GET A VOTE
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[07:45] V1: also jackaloop was a 4 man team.. I was solo 
[07:45] JimBastard: word
[07:45] V1: some people trend to forget that :p
[07:45] mape: Would be kinda strange if they changed the algorithm now though
[07:45] JimBastard: mape: they have been making mods to the software all week
[07:45] mape: The ole switcharoo
[07:45] JimBastard: i wouldnt be surprised
[07:46] JimBastard: i should get some sleep
[07:46] JimBastard: i really want to see prenup in 0.1.0 with socket.io
[07:46] V1: I'm not that impressed what they where able to knock up in 48 hours with 4 team members, It's amost identical to mine, and mine actually works on other people's sites aswell, its not showcase of working shizzle
[07:46] JimBastard: soo badly
[07:46] Tim_Smart: V1: Which one is yours?
[07:46] JimBastard: V1: im still blown away by indexzero, he pretty much could have done his own entry
[07:47] V1: Tim_Smart: http://speedo.no.de/
[07:47] JimBastard: heatmaps seem kinda easy
[07:47] Tim_Smart: V1: Oh I couldn't get speedo's heatmap to work.
[07:47] JimBastard: if you get do the visualization part nice
[07:47] callen: JimBastard: be nice
[07:48] V1: :*( you must have been 1) using safari, 2) windows with a google chrome dev build
[07:48] mape: JimBastard: at least harder then a ascii generator :P
[07:48] JimBastard: V1: ill prob use if you opensource though
[07:48] Tim_Smart: V1: Latest chromion dev build on Ubuntu
[07:48] callen: mape: brb, need to fetch my arse as I just laughed it off
[07:48] Tim_Smart: *chromium
[07:48] JimBastard: and it works
[07:48] V1: Tim_Smart: It seems to workin on Chromium dev build on the Mac :! and regular chrome versions
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[07:49] V1: It's really weird that the Chromium source code doesn't work cross platform like that :9
[07:50] mape: V1: what in the chrome dev is broke?
[07:50] Tim_Smart: V1: Confetti works, heatmap doesn't.
[07:50] V1: the rendering of my heatmap
[07:50] mape: So canvas?
[07:50] V1: mape: and I have no clue why
[07:50] V1: yeah
[07:50] V1: only the rendering of th heat, confetti view works fine
[07:51] V1: But i'm working to pushing all my code live today to the speedo repo so we can see wtf is going on here :p
[07:53] mape: hehe now gabbar is #1
[07:53] mape: *gabber
[07:54] callen: I think swarmation is doing well out of pure kitsch.
[07:54] callen: making it a simple game was a good idea, heh.
[07:54] mape: Should have done the gabber thing instead, had a working demo of something like that quite a while ago :P
[07:54] unomi: V1: I can't seem to get the konami code to fire
[07:55] unomi: it works for a and b, but not the arrow keys
[07:55] callen: mape: I'm pretty sure you've made a demo of 50% of all the entries into NKO at some point prior to the contest.
[07:55] unomi: at http://speedo.no.de/demo
[07:55] _announcer: Twitter: "I just created the open source repo for my http://speedo.no.de/ node.js knockout entry on http://github.com/3rd-Eden/speedo" -- Arnout Kazemier. http://twitter.com/3rdEden/status/22780598077
[07:55] V1: unomi: the demo konami code display utils is broken
[07:55] V1: but the actual code is not
[07:55] V1: If you entered the squence correctly you should see a black bar @ top of your browser
[07:55] callen: V1: I do
[07:56] unomi: at http://speedo.no.de/demo ?
[07:56] unomi: I do not
[07:56] V1: yeah
[07:56] V1: try it again, up up down down left right left right b a  :P
[07:56] V1: and don't slow down while pushing the charactures
[07:56] unomi: yup, nope, my page scrolls though
[07:56] callen: V1: no dice.
[07:57] V1: hey, server is broken o_o
[07:57] V1: sorry about that :9
[07:58] V1: there seems to be server issue going on atm.
[07:58] V1: because the /render data is loaded. But not showing any contents :9
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[07:58] callen: I surrender
[07:58] V1: Hmz, after a refresh it worked again, wtf ;9
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[07:59] callen: still no dice on the code display.
[07:59] V1: The server is crashing atm
[07:59] V1: So that might be reason :p
[07:59] callen: hooray Joyent?
[08:00] V1: yes it's running on joyent :P
[08:00] mape: I was having some issues with joyent
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[08:00] mape: Broke my asset manager, the inline base64 images went to shite
[08:01] unomi: V1: konami is working on firefox
[08:01] unomi: but not in chrome for me
[08:01] V1: are you using a dev build?
[08:01] unomi: 5.0.375.99 beta
[08:01] V1: ah
[08:01] callen: 7 here.
[08:02] V1: proofs my point, only regular version seem to work in windows and linux
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[08:04] _announcer: Twitter: "Can somebody Server Side JS running environment, which can JQuery is? node.js unfortunately do not. Aptana Jaxer forget it. Something else?" [hu] -- deejayyhu. http://twitter.com/deejayyhu/status/22780995328
[08:05] V1: But i'm rather happy that it's working allot of people so far
[08:06] unomi: v1 I suppose you have seen hummingbird?
[08:06] V1: yeah
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[08:06] _announcer: Twitter: "No fucking way! @gabbertalk is #1 on #nodeko! (for now) Thanks, all!  http://nodeknockout.com/teams /cc @dgoodlad @hassox @lstoll #nodejs" -- Lachlan Hardy. http://twitter.com/lachlanhardy/status/22781085962
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[08:08] _announcer: Twitter: "And the accompanying node.js + JavaScript." [ja] -- sasa+1. http://twitter.com/sasaplus1/status/22781155094
[08:08] unomi: v1 one issue is that you seem to not take into account different renderings
[08:09] unomi: the heat map appears in places that aren't necessarily where I clicked
[08:09] unomi: where possible you should probably find the actual element I clicked
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[08:10] unomi: fx, just having the page scrolled down will put the heat map at an offset
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[08:10] unomi: the rendering looks sweet though
[08:11] V1: unomi: the scrolling has already been fixed in my open source version
[08:11] unomi: cool
[08:11] V1: but as we can't re-deploy i can't fix it for others
[08:12] unomi: no worries
[08:13] unomi: an interesting extension might be to hook into browser events and be able to 'replay' a users actions
[08:14] unomi: for usability it would be interesting to see them opening various menus before settling on a choice etc
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[08:16] V1: unomi: I just posted about that in my blog blog.3rd-eden.com/post/1049558853/the-lifecycle-of-speedos
[08:16] _announcer: Twitter: "less then one day to vote on #nodeko entries! support #bdd in #node.js! http://nodeknockout.com/teams/the-nyc-nodejitsu-ninjas" -- Nodejitsu. http://twitter.com/nodejitsu/status/22781485403
[08:16] V1: it's one of the features i'm working on implementing atm
[08:16] V1: The development of Speedo is currently sponsored by my boss :)
[08:17] _announcer: Twitter: "@tanraya http://github.com/kurokikaze/nodejs-docs-rus" -- Serge Shirokov. http://twitter.com/kurokikaze/status/22781500977
[08:17] unomi: cool
[08:17] V1: But thanks the tip, great minds think alike ;)
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[08:18] V1: arg I can't login to my node machine and there is no remote way of restarting my node instance ;!
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[08:20] mape: Bah kinda bummed the judges are giving lower scores because they had no one to play with :/
[08:20] JimBastard: mape: reply to them
[08:20] mape: What difference does it make? They can't change the score can they?
[08:20] JimBastard: scores around about to get crazy in the next 12 hours as all the noob judges rank in
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[08:20] JimBastard: mape: you can change your vote
[08:20] JimBastard: around
[08:20] JimBastard: no?
[08:20] mape: Not sure
[08:21] JimBastard: yeah
[08:21] JimBastard: you can
[08:21] unomi: I am curious JimBastard, at this point, what does prenup actually 'do'?
[08:21] JimBastard: unomi: the UI is close to stable
[08:21] unomi: it looks basically like a mockup
[08:22] JimBastard: did you look at the code?
[08:22] JimBastard: its all the UI events and frontend
[08:22] JimBastard: its a single page app that is decoupled from he backend
[08:22] JimBastard: connecting kyuri to a json-rpc and sending it to prenup is trivial
[08:22] mape: JimBastard: Ah k, guess I'll poke them
[08:22] unomi: right, but it doesn't generate the vows, and it seems to not allow real-time collaboration yet
[08:23] JimBastard: unomi: sigh
[08:23] JimBastard: http://github.com/nodejitsu/prenup
[08:23] unomi: I mean, the interface for storyboarding 'stories' is pretty nice
[08:23] JimBastard: things that would be implemented if we didn't build this in 48 hours  real-time project management collaboration using socket.io user accounts using roles.js automated billing using paynode native mobile app (iPhone / iPad / BlackBerry) using Titanium AppCelerator
[08:23] JimBastard: unomi: did you even look at kyuri?
[08:23] unomi: nope :p
[08:23] JimBastard: we did two entries
[08:23] JimBastard: god dammit
[08:23] JimBastard: go read man
[08:23] JimBastard: i spent a lot of time on documentaiton
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[08:24] JimBastard: http://github.com/nodejitsu/kyuri
[08:24] JimBastard: TWO ENTRIES
[08:24] JimBastard: kyuri is way more impressive
[08:24] JimBastard: did you see what the people are saying when voting?
[08:24] JimBastard: author of cucumber is in there
[08:24] JimBastard: author of vows
[08:24] JimBastard: cuke guy wants to merge project
[08:24] JimBastard: we already got a pull request from him
[08:25] JimBastard: its not "stories"
[08:25] JimBastard: its gherkin 
[08:25] JimBastard: >>><<
[08:25] JimBastard: im sleepy
[08:25] JimBastard: its 430am here
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[08:32] _announcer: Twitter: "You know you&#39;re serializing and I thought how about cases such as using CouchDB and redis. TCP / IP connections that are able to do anything or DB / Simon Willison &quot;Node.js is very exciting&quot; - Su ... http://htn.to/PJ2rxR client side" [ja] -- 河合 太郎. http://twitter.com/inuro/status/22782116188
[08:32] JimBastard: it might be challah french toast time
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[08:32] _announcer: Twitter: "A list of web applications running on Node.js / Home - node - GitHub http://htn.to/AQAcce" [ja] -- 河合 太郎. http://twitter.com/inuro/status/22782155332
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[08:36] _announcer: Twitter: "@lachlanhardy big fat congrats to all of you! /cc  @dgoodlad @hassox @lstoll #nodejs" -- James Sadler. http://twitter.com/freshtonic/status/22782282592
[08:40] _announcer: Twitter: "node.js being thrown in the Twitter stream to CouchDB, and I wrote a discharge application to the browser - Web diaries of people shop | | WebJourney http://htn.to/fbZF2S Development log" [ja] -- 河合 太郎. http://twitter.com/inuro/status/22782455149
[08:41] _announcer: Twitter: "Web browsing on Twitter ChiarpUserStream node.js made the application - Hatena Diary liquor branch http://htn.to/mrjrqX" [ja] -- 河合 太郎. http://twitter.com/inuro/status/22782487434
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[09:10] _announcer: Twitter: "http://swarmation.com/ has been commandeered by script kiddies spelling rude words in pixels #nodeko #nodejs. A flaw in the concept?" -- Tim Whittington. http://twitter.com/ultradodge/status/22783688121
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[09:11] JimBastard: ohh shit
[09:12] JimBastard: js1k just got a $500 cash prize
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[09:18] _announcer: Twitter: "Testing in #nodejs is breaking my head." -- Keith Pitt. http://twitter.com/keithpitt/status/22784035500
[09:23] konobi: wtf is gabber suddenly shooting up the list in terms of votes?
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[09:24] JimBastard: konobi: must have gotten linked somewhere
[09:24] JimBastard: konobi: we also saw a lot of troll voting
[09:25] JimBastard: accounts that were giving all other entries except a certain entry all 1s
[09:25] JimBastard: i pity the man who tries that on our entry
[09:27] _announcer: Twitter: "nodejitsu wants to give YOU! $500 in cash for winning #js1k do you have what it takes? http://js1k.com #node.js" -- Nodejitsu. http://twitter.com/nodejitsu/status/22784400220
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[09:27] JimBastard: those bastards
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[09:31] V1: Argh@ I still don't have access to my no.de account >_<
[09:31] V1: and my render module isn't loading atm :(
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[09:34] proppy: Hi, has anyone used transaction with node postgres ?
[09:36] Frans-Willem: proppy: Which one?
[09:36] Frans-Willem: proppy: node-PostgresClient or postgres-js ?
[09:36] proppy: BEGIN; COMMIT; blocks
[09:36] proppy: ry postgres
[09:36] Frans-Willem: :/
[09:36] proppy: http://github.com/ry/node_postgres
[09:36] Frans-Willem: Wow, didn't know ry wrote one too :p
[09:37] Frans-Willem: Ah, that's a binding to libpg
[09:37] Frans-Willem: Nope, haven't used those
[09:38] Frans-Willem: My own postgres library (node-PostgresClient) does have support for them, though
[09:39] proppy: Frans-Willem: did you packaged it for npm ?
[09:39] proppy: http://github.com/Frans-Willem/node-PostgresClient
[09:40] Frans-Willem: Not sure if I did
[09:40] Frans-Willem: but the readme should mention how to install it
[09:41] Frans-Willem: Appears it is :)
[09:43] maushu: http://consumerist.com/2010/08/new-yorks-water-filled-with-invisible-shrimp.html
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[09:46] micheil: moin felixge 
[09:47] felixge: micheil: hi
[09:47] micheil: good post thar the other day
[09:48] caolanm: maushu: yum!
[09:49] proppy: Frans-Willem: :)
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[09:52] _announcer: Twitter: "Team speedo is about to pass nodelay in the total amount of unique conn. on the NodeJS knockout connection leaderboard :D http://is.gd/eRbr1" -- Arnout Kazemier. http://twitter.com/3rdEden/status/22785533169
[09:54] V1: Does anyone here happen to know a really tiny stand alone css3 selector engine?
[09:55] V1: It doesn't have to be fast, or full css3 support :p just really tiny
[09:56] unomi: for all browsers?
[09:57] BryanWB: V1, tried sizzle?
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[09:58] V1: Yeh sizzle is a bit to big, nwmatcher is even HUGE. I was aiming for something really small. So users can give me a simpel css selector to query on
[09:58] sschuermann: hello all 
[09:58] sschuermann: ;) 
[09:59] unomi: V1: well, you have a lib loaded anyway, no?
[09:59] V1: it doesn't have to be full css3 compliant something sick and hacky like this: http://ajaxian.com/archives/creating-a-queryselector-for-ie-that-runs-at-native-speed#comments
[09:59] V1: unomi: this is for the speedo clientside js, so i can fix the window resolution issues
[10:00] unomi: V1: yeah.. well, I think you should go shopping for a js lib that will help you with all the functionality
[10:00] unomi: like, say, yui ;)
[10:00] unomi: that will get you the session replay pretty cheaply with the even simulation
[10:00] sschuermann: anyone here into express.js and expresso? 
[10:00] unomi: s/even/event/
[10:01] sschuermann: or is this the wrong irc channel ;) 
[10:01] V1: unomi: shipping a whole library just to transmit click event is just wrong :p
[10:01] Tim_Smart: Shouldn't __dirname give the absolute path?
[10:01] V1: i'm looking at Sly atm 
[10:02] V1: oh I found one that is good enough a "essentials" css selector library of Andrea Giammarchi 
[10:04] dilvie: is there a favorite oath solution for node?
[10:05] dilvie: sschuermann: this is the right channel for express and expresso
[10:06] Tim_Smart: dilvie: http://github.com/ciaranj/node-oauth
[10:06] dilvie: Thanks, Tim.
[10:06] Frans-Willem: proppy: Any luck with your postgres transactions ?
[10:06] Tim_Smart: Turns out coffee was mutating the __dirname somehow.
[10:06] proppy: Frans-Willem: not sure how to do it with ry module, maybe I will try yours :)
[10:07] proppy: I had an issue with updating npm right now
[10:07] proppy: http://github.com/isaacs/npm/issues/issue/213
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[10:18] _announcer: Twitter: "n1k0 on node.js :"have fun, take care and don’t break the Web." http://tumblr.com/xlahc8xl4" -- denis. http://twitter.com/Dennnys/status/22786709191
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[10:24] robinduckett: morning all
[10:24] _announcer: Twitter: "# # http://www.startupmonkeys.com/2010/09/building-a-scrabble-mmo-in-48-hours/ nodejs nodeko" [lv] -- Toshihiro Shimizu. http://twitter.com/meso/status/22786991684
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[10:31] _announcer: Twitter: "Node.js + HTML5 websockets for the win." -- tarnacious. http://twitter.com/tarnacious/status/22787318339
[10:32] _announcer: Twitter: "The first bit's of Speedo open source code has landed : http://github.com/3rd-Eden/speedo #nodejs knockout source http://speedo.no.de/" -- Arnout Kazemier. http://twitter.com/3rdEden/status/22787355811
[10:37] _announcer: Twitter: "So, um, is WCF the closest thing to node.js on the .NET stack? If you squint at it anyways." -- tarnacious. http://twitter.com/tarnacious/status/22787559049
[10:40] robinduckett: man
[10:40] robinduckett: socket.io just isn't working for me
[10:40] robinduckett: and it seems to randomly want to work in one browser at a time
[10:42] robinduckett: and at the moment it doesn't want to serve up the WebSocketMain.swf, which means I now do
[10:42] robinduckett: not have a browser that works with WS
[10:42] robinduckett: as for some reason, chromium / chrome does not work
[10:47] _announcer: Twitter: "Mastering Node: Open source eBook for Node.js http://ignt.hk/9WQk7r" -- 小影. http://twitter.com/siuying/status/22788070615
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[10:58] maushu: Thats it. I'm going to quit.
[10:58] maushu: This is too much chaotic stress for my poor heart.
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[11:17] ironfroggy_: Is there any good middleware to log tracebacks and respond with error status, so node doesn't crash every time something unexpected happens? looking for a global "oops" page
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[11:20] _announcer: Twitter: "My Node.js Knockout favs are http://bit.ly/c9LBST and http://bit.ly/bRc0y9 please do vote for them if you like!" -- Thomas Fuchs. http://twitter.com/thomasfuchs/status/22789652867
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[11:22] Tim_Smart: ironfroggy_: process.on('unhandledException') is supposed to fill that gap.
[11:23] _announcer: Twitter: "Welcome Joyent, Sponsor of JSConf.eu 2010 -- http://jsconf.eu/2010/joyent_professional_nodejs.html -- These guys are awesome! #nodejs" -- jsconfeu. http://twitter.com/jsconfeu/status/22789805805
[11:24] _announcer: Twitter: "They are sending @ryah! :) — @jsconfeu: Welcome Joyent, Sponsor of JSConf.eu 2010 -- http://bit.ly/a5F5Fn -- These guys are awesome! #nodejs" -- Jan Lehnardt. http://twitter.com/janl/status/22789901747
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[11:36] _announcer: Twitter: "The more I read about Node.js, the more excited about v2.0 I get :D  Can't make it to @palm's meet-up, but hopefully someone will post video" -- Jason Robitaille. http://twitter.com/JayCanuck/status/22790513873
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[11:42] sschuermann: anyone has already fiddled with the auto generated code by express.js ? 
[11:43] sschuermann: i just generated but when executing the tests i get a error 
[11:43] sschuermann:    uncaught: Error: ECONNREFUSED, Connection refused
[11:43] sschuermann: when executing expresso test/app.test.js
[11:44] shockie: ironfroggy, try registering onException event?
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[11:49] jetienne: q. is there a env variable for PATH ? 
[11:49] _announcer: Twitter: "Busy and can not translate node.js bamboo orz" [ja] -- こば@変態生徒会長. http://twitter.com/KOBA789/status/22791262016
[11:51] jetienne: NODE_PATH
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[11:56] ryan[WIN]: this is not node but
[11:56] ryan[WIN]: http://guides.rubyonrails.org/security.html
[11:56] ryan[WIN]: this is a GREAT guide on common web app security issues
[11:56] dipser: request.headers -- what is an easy way to see what is in it?
[11:56] ryan[WIN]: dipser:  i just do sys.puts("headers: " + sys.inspect(request.headers));
[11:57] dipser: oh tried: sys.inspect(request.headers) but it showed me nothing
[11:57] dipser: i see
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[12:00] jetienne: console.dir(request.headers); does it too
[12:02] dipser: thats nice
[12:06] dipser: why is this sys.puts not documented?
[12:06] _announcer: Twitter: "check out node.js KO apps http://j.mp/a13ve7" -- Slawek Dorzak. http://twitter.com/sdorzak/status/22792275502
[12:06] fliebel: Is there anything in Node for generating PDF, RTF or DOC like stuff?
[12:07] ryan[WIN]: dipser, sys.puts is documented iirc
[12:07] Frans-Willem: fliebel: Not that I know of, but I do think I read about a JS client-side library to generate PDF
[12:07] jetienne: dipser: i guess he removed it because console.log is the standard
[12:07] jetienne: Frans-Willem: hey still ok for tonite ?
[12:08] dipser: jetienne ok
[12:08] Frans-Willem: fliebel: http://code.google.com/p/jspdf/
[12:08] ryan[WIN]: hurm i guess i'm an old school node user then for using sys.puts
[12:08] ryan[WIN]: :<
[12:08] Frans-Willem: jetienne: Yup, just not sure how I'll recognize you there :p
[12:08] dipser: you are :D
[12:08] jetienne: Frans-Willem: good point :) 
[12:09] jetienne: Frans-Willem: oh i got a distinguishable feature, i am wearing a french hat. 
[12:09] Frans-Willem: -_-
[12:10] Frans-Willem: a french hat ? in france :p?
[12:10] Frans-Willem: http://www.chapellerie-traclet.com/hat/images/french-beret-black.jpg like that ?
[12:10] _announcer: Twitter: "Hey @Palm, I would like to petition flying @JayCanuck to the #node.js meet up! Can you make it happen? #webOS" -- Guy Smiley. http://twitter.com/GFS/status/22792502588
[12:12] ryan[WIN]: now i'm all paranoid
[12:12] ryan[WIN]: oh god how old is my version of node
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[12:12] ryan[WIN]: i'm using 0.1.92
[12:13] jetienne: Frans-Willem: less ridiculous but close :)
[12:13] jetienne: just a bit ridiculous :)
[12:13] evilhackerdude: is there a csrf middleware in/for connect?
[12:13] Frans-Willem: jetienne: http://www.facebook.com/franswillem can you see the picture there ?
[12:14] ryan[WIN]: christ has it really been like 5 months since 0.1.92 came out
[12:14] jetienne: http://www.facebook.com/franswillem#!/jerome.etienne <- me
[12:14] ryan[WIN]: http://www.facebook.com/signoff
[12:14] ryan[WIN]: ^^ me
[12:14] Frans-Willem: :p
[12:14] ryan[WIN]: i swear that's my real url
[12:14] dipser: hehe
[12:15] jetienne: ryan[WIN]: this smell like a trap tho :)
[12:15] Frans-Willem: jetienne: Nice cyborg look, btw :p
[12:15] ryan[WIN]: no trap, seriously
[12:15] ryan[WIN]: some day they're gonna crack down on it though
[12:15] Frans-Willem: lol
[12:16] Frans-Willem: Wasn't expecting it to not be a joke :p
[12:19] maushu: http://www.facebook.com/logout
[12:20] ryan[WIN]: haha
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[12:22] _announcer: Twitter: "Created Markdown -&gt; HTML module for #nodejs http://bit.ly/blJPyu" -- Andris Reinman. http://twitter.com/andris9/status/22793252694
[12:26] proppy: is console.dir a shortcut for console.log(JSON.stringify(arg)) ?
[12:26] _announcer: Twitter: "Fixtures in #nodejs and #mongo in 20 lines http://gist.github.com/562218" -- Keith Pitt. http://twitter.com/keithpitt/status/22793472036
[12:26] proppy: Frans-Willem: jetienne: you're in france ?
[12:27] jetienne: proppy: yes, paris
[12:27] jetienne: proppy: yes about console.dir
[12:27] jetienne: console.dir is my patch !! :)
[12:27] dipser: i have send a formular with method POST, but where is the POST-data? http://pastie.org/1133573
[12:28] jetienne: or was my patch, i dunno if the code is still there
[12:29] _announcer: Twitter: "I am a fan of Node.js.  My new favorite server side scripting language." -- Jeremy Crapsey. http://twitter.com/jeremycrapsey/status/22793673453
[12:30] proppy: jetienne: nice contribution :)
[12:31] proppy: jetienne: Frans-Willem : is there some kind of node.paris user group/event ?
[12:31] jetienne: proppy: not that i know of, i would be interested tho. are you in paris too ?
[12:31] felixge: sh1mmer: yt?
[12:31] proppy: jetienne: yes
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[12:32] jetienne: proppy: do you know other who may be interested ?N 
[12:32] jetienne: proppy: maybe we could try to make it happen something at la cantine ?
[12:32] Frans-Willem: proppy: Why don't you join us tonight for a (few) beer(s) ?
[12:32] proppy: there was a lot of interest in node.js, on the barcamp @lacantine when ryah gave a talk
[12:33] jetienne: i think we should organize something
[12:33] jetienne: proppy: would be cool to meet up if you are available tonite
[12:34] _announcer: Twitter: "slides for my #node.js lightning talk on #javazone submitted. so ready to go!" -- Bjarte  S. Karlsen. http://twitter.com/bjartek/status/22794004715
[12:34] proppy: jetienne: Frans-Willem: sure just tell me where, I'm also available saturday if you want to hack something
[12:34] jetienne: Bistrot des Colonnes - 4 Bis Rue Quatre Septembre 
[12:34] Frans-Willem: :)
[12:34] jetienne: this is a entrepreneur meeting i go to,  and a bsitro too :)
[12:35] proppy: near opera nice !
[12:35] _announcer: Twitter: "Yay! NodeJS support in Intellij - http://devnet.jetbrains.net/message/5269001#5269001" -- Trygve Lie. http://twitter.com/trygve_lie/status/22794073978
[12:35] proppy: jetienne: which hours ?
[12:35] jetienne: proppy: 19h
[12:35] proppy: jetienne: ok
[12:35] proppy: jetienne: will go to say hi :)
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[12:35] jetienne: :)
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[12:45] _announcer: Twitter: "Great #nodejs testing library http://github.com/botanicus/minitest.js" -- Keith Pitt. http://twitter.com/keithpitt/status/22794762308
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[12:47] dipser: does nobody have a hint for POST data?
[12:47] _announcer: Twitter: "@ Jongkwang country is also .. :) Node.js wepsoket on the server side js also, as a canvas to work the medical field sineunbun .. http://j.mp/bdn9EE @ andrwj nimipnida .." [ko] -- Kyoungtaek Koo. http://twitter.com/boxersb/status/22794902002
[12:49] jetienne: http://phizcode.blogspot.com/2010/03/beyod-static-nodejs-and-post-method.html <- dipser the font is ugly but it may help
[12:49] dipser: thank you
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[12:54] Kreisquadratur: Hej. I have a quite basic question I guess: On my/our server we have Apache running. Currently I use the mod_proxy to redirect incoming conncctions to a NodeJS instance. Is there another way to do it?
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[12:57] wattz: 'ello kiddies!
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[13:00] _announcer: Twitter: "Released #nodejs mysql v0.4.0: http://bit.ly/9XWYZ9. Thanks to @iamcal, old mysql passwords are now  supported!" -- Felix Geisendörfer. http://twitter.com/felixge/status/22795757923
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[13:06] freeall: If someone has the time, would they care to run this test? http://pastebin.com/C205Q5ce
[13:06] freeall: It shows a bug in .pump
[13:06] freeall: and just wondering when it occurs and on which machines
[13:06] freeall: save files as copy.js and run with node copy.js
[13:07] freeall: mind you, it usually takes 10-20 minutes to complete
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[13:09] maushu: Hmm, I'm trying to write a buffer to a file using writeFileSync but I'm getting a error.
[13:10] maushu: Error, doesn't happen when using the async version though.
[13:10] maushu: Bug?
[13:10] maushu: 
ACTION checks the code.

[13:11] sschuermann: a whole day of xslt keeps the doctor away, cancer is terminal in noon already 
[13:12] maushu: Yeah, the sync version doesn't check for Buffer. Is this by design?
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[13:13] wink_: maushu: get anywhere with that file? :)
[13:13] maushu: wink_: Still working on it.
[13:14] wink_: do you know anything else about it?
[13:14] wink_: because at this point it looks like random shit :p
[13:16] maushu: Nope.
[13:16] maushu: It's not random.
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[13:17] wattz: man, cappuccino has potential, but wow does it lag
[13:17] wattz: same with sproutcore
[13:17] wattz: conclusion... 
[13:18] wattz: write it all straight up!
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[13:24] Guest10496: hi all, is there any way to add multiple socket.io listeners to a single http server?
[13:24] digitalspaghetti: wattz: ExtJS
[13:24] Guest10496: so, for example, if i wanted two different chat widgets on the same page
[13:24] wattz: digitalspaghetti: used that in the past, not a fan either
[13:25] wattz: dojo is where i would go
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[13:25] wattz: but i have this little ui builder i wrote a few years back
[13:25] wattz: really really simple
[13:25] wattz: just use it
[13:25] digitalspaghetti: well my company bought a licence now, so i have to use ExtJS :D
[13:25] wattz: digitalspaghetti: it's not bad, just not my taste, ya know?
[13:26] wattz: sproutcore has neat syntax
[13:26] digitalspaghetti: yea, it took me a few times to get my head around it
[13:26] digitalspaghetti: but i do now
[13:26] wattz: but the docs suck
[13:26] digitalspaghetti: well, mostly :D
[13:26] wattz: finish all this work bullshit so i can get back to my v8 projects
[13:26] wakawaka: anyone? socket.io multiple listeners?
[13:27] wattz: wakawaka: no sorry, never used it
[13:27] _announcer: Twitter: "Beer, mustaches, banks used as a database and Node.js Rotterdam.php the first meeting. http://bit.ly/c8vamm # php" [nl] -- Johan Kuijt. http://twitter.com/johankuijt/status/22797731499
[13:27] wakawaka: ok thanks anyway
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[13:29] _announcer: Twitter: "Node.js the recent security updates are getting settled down" [ja] -- こば@変態生徒会長. http://twitter.com/KOBA789/status/22797854941
[13:29] _announcer: Twitter: "What is a server-side JS node.js what was it? What more practical level? [Eyebrow]" [ja] -- チャゲ. http://twitter.com/tyage/status/22797917636
[13:30] wink_: maushu: well if its a quiz, i'd assume it isnt random, but not knowing anything else about it, you're gonna be relegated to brute force
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[13:34] _announcer: Twitter: "node.js is the blublockers of web development" -- nathaniel smith. http://twitter.com/nate_smith/status/22798247244
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[13:45] _announcer: Twitter: "http://nodejs.org Wow! Reminds me of a high-level boost::asio (only in Javascript, of course). Video presentation here: http://bit.ly/bvmgBd" -- Michael Nexø. http://twitter.com/mnexo/status/22799128220
[13:47] maushu: wink_: A guy answered correctly.
[13:47] wink_: damnit! :)
[13:47] wink_: whats the answer?
[13:47] maushu: They don't say till the end.
[13:48] _announcer: Twitter: "Experimenting with Node.js http://ping.fm/6mD7c" -- Seyhun AKYÜREK. http://twitter.com/seyhunak/status/22799310317
[13:48] wink_: what contest is it?
[13:49] _announcer: Twitter: "A quick little post about the Node.js Knockout. Read it, http://bit.ly/atv8IW, play it, http://tweetquestgame.com/, and vote for us!" -- Mindy Wagner. http://twitter.com/graphicsgirl/status/22799418204
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[13:51] _announcer: Twitter: "Deliver real-time information to your users using node.js http://ping.fm/C62Ms" -- Seyhun AKYÜREK. http://twitter.com/seyhunak/status/22799551466
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[13:53] _announcer: Twitter: "Node.js Knockout http://ping.fm/f8uXf" -- Seyhun AKYÜREK. http://twitter.com/seyhunak/status/22799733576
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[13:53] maushu: wink_: For codebits, a conf where coders get together. http://codebits.eu/
[13:54] maushu: They will talk about node.js btw.
[13:54] wink_: ah cool
[13:55] felixge: maushu: who will talk about node there?
[13:55] felixge: maushu: nvm, found it
[13:57] maushu: Converting this to hex is not going anywhere.
[13:57] maushu: Maybe this is just a text encryption and the binary is just to distract.
[13:58] wink_: i think you may be correct...
[13:59] wink_: although whatever encryption is being used is a little stronger than xor/substitution/etc
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[14:02] maushu: Checked checksums for some kind of reverse checksum or something.
[14:02] maushu: Though, I have noticed something funny.
[14:03] maushu: The statistics usage of the bytes give 4 ranges that are used alot.
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[14:03] Frans-Willem: hmmm
[14:03] Frans-Willem: encryption breaking, where ?
[14:04] maushu: From 0h to 1Fh, 42h to 5Fh, 80h to 9Fh and C0h to DFh.
[14:04] maushu: Those ranges are used exponentially more than any other byte.
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[14:05] maushu: My knowledge in data or crypto is not enough to get a pattern of this though.
[14:07] wink_: Frans-Willem: http://bb.xieke.com/files/transform
[14:10] Frans-Willem: any more information on it 
[14:10] Frans-Willem: ?
[14:10] wink_: nope :p
[14:10] _announcer: Twitter: "Node.js background services can also be used. I considered asynchronous. http://j.mp/afp4bV Palm brings improved multitasking and Node.js to webOS 2.0" [ja] -- lispyrabbit. http://twitter.com/lispycrispy/status/22801082101
[14:11] Frans-Willem: Any idea on what it's supposed to contain ?
[14:11] wink_: i dont have a clue, maushu found the file but i dont think there is any other clues
[14:12] wink_: although the file was presented originally as a binary string encoding
[14:12] wink_: i converted it to a real binary so i could use a hexeditor and some analysis tools
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[14:12] wink_: its likely its just a text file with some transform applied to it
[14:13] Frans-Willem: so where's the original ?
[14:13] foo1: what's more common for JSON literals? camel-casing or underscores?
[14:13] wink_: also i think whomever created might be portugese so whatever text may or may not be in english
[14:14] wink_: Frans-Willem: i dont have it handy any longer, he pastebinned it..you can convert that file though, just read it byte by byte and convert each byte to a string of 0/1
[14:15] Frans-Willem: Aaaah, so it originally was just 1's and 0's :p?
[14:15] wink_: ya
[14:15] Frans-Willem: what makes you think each character was exactly 8 bitslong then :p?
[14:16] wink_: not a thing :)
[14:16] Frans-Willem: Maybe just 7 or 6 bits/character, maybe it was huffman compression
[14:16] zemanel: none of the judges seems interested in voting for me :(
[14:16] wink_: its just far easier to operate on it this way rather than 100k of 001100010101 :P
[14:17] _announcer: Twitter: "@jeremydmiller but, but, but... baubles are teh awesome. I mean, have you seen baubles.js yet?? It runs on node! //cc @claylo" -- RyanGahl. http://twitter.com/RyanGahl/status/22801623813
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[14:26] _announcer: Twitter: "Understanding Innovation 深Metara studying rice, cherry or VPS node.js borrowed Scala + Lift http://vps.sakura.ad.jp/ want to build" [ja] -- liquidfunc. http://twitter.com/liquidfunc/status/22802332918
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[14:39] _announcer: Twitter: "@godswearhats aye, their NodeJS support is still in alpha..." -- Steven Wilkin. http://twitter.com/stevebiscuit/status/22803442222
[14:40] _announcer: Twitter: "amused to see people who thought ruby/rails was a "toy" get SUPER geeked about node.js" -- Trek Glowacki. http://twitter.com/trek/status/22803522242
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[14:49] maushu: Ruby is still a toy.
[14:49] maushu: ZING.
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[14:51] blowery: PING
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[14:51] _announcer: Twitter: "Node.js KO - 9 hours left to vote! http://nodeknockout.com/" -- Rho. http://twitter.com/darkrho/status/22804444771
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[14:51] _announcer: Twitter: "I love using my iPad as a browser for the #NodeJS documentation." -- Philip Pryce. http://twitter.com/philo23/status/22804452239
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[14:52] dodger: will node.js run fine as non-root on a unix sysstem? (the tarball install i mean)
[14:53] wink_: dodger: it will run with certain restrictions
[14:53] wink_: Egbert9e9: no opening ports < 1024
[14:53] wink_: er
[14:53] dodger: oh sure sure, that's expected
[14:53] dodger: (for any userland non root app)
[14:53] wink_: well other than what you're expecting it should run without a hitch
[14:53] dodger: but if that's all then i'm sold
[14:53] dodger: awesome!
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[14:54] dodger: yeah in these days of ubuntu "linux" i am not sure anyone adheres to that principle anymore
[14:54] _announcer: Twitter: "After reading a hell of stuff for #node.js #nodejs I am in love with it. So much ideas are coming up --&gt; brain buffer overflow :)" -- Jeffrey Groneberg. http://twitter.com/Inkvine/status/22804656615
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[14:54] bradleymeck_: 
ACTION *flops

[14:55] dodger: i hope that wasn't a 0x0
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[14:58] _announcer: Twitter: "@bespin becomes @MozSkywriter http://mzl.la/avRHMq + new node.js server version in the pipe" -- Jerome Velociter. http://twitter.com/jvelo/status/22804963505
[14:58] _announcer: Twitter: "Laptop reinstalled, now see if I get nodejs installed. Looks very nice in combination with couchDB!" [nl] -- Richard Tuin. http://twitter.com/Richard_Tuin/status/22805025822
[15:00] matt_c: 
ACTION wonders if he's the only one that giggles when he thinks of running two different Javascript engines in a stack when you deploy node + couch together.

[15:00] callen: matt_c: it's not like they'd be able to share memory anyway :P
[15:01] matt_c: I giggle 'cause it's awesome.
[15:01] callen: lol oh okay.
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[15:05] robinduckett: Am I the only one who can't get socket.io working properly?
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[15:05] bradleymeck_: probably not
[15:05] wink_: robinduckett: whats wrong with it?
[15:05] patientfox: any thoughts feelings on vows? what're the competitors?
[15:06] bradleymeck_: expresso
[15:06] robinduckett: it wasn't working in firefox when I was testing with apache, now I'm using nozzle as my web server and it works in firefox, but won't work in chrome, chromium or opera, but works in epiphany
[15:06] bradleymeck_: umm vows allows more control of your testing environment, but i feel expresso to be more fully featured
[15:06] _announcer: Twitter: "#reddit Building a Scrabble MMO in 48 hours (NodeJS/NodeExpress, MongoDB, JQuery): submitted by  ZoFreX  [li... http://bit.ly/8Y1ZSz #rulez" -- REDDITSPAMMOR. http://twitter.com/REDDITSPAMMOR/status/22805717255
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[15:07] robinduckett: but it seems to be using the xhr polling transport rather than flashsocket / websocket
[15:07] robinduckett: and the flash socket gives me errors in all the browsers
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[15:08] wink_: the flash socket is tricky, i dunno how to debug it outside of using socket.io-node
[15:08] patientfox: what's the url for expresso?
[15:08] wink_: the flashsocket will fail without the policy port thingy open
[15:08] wink_: which also means running node as root using the node server
[15:08] robinduckett: I am
[15:10] bradleymeck_: can you get a tcp dump off port 843?
[15:10] robinduckett: probably can
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[15:10] wakawaka: any idea how to get mutliple listeners with socket.io? for example, for two chat apps on the same page
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[15:12] wink_: wakawaka: can you not just create 2 sockets?
[15:13] wakawaka: i suppose i could but im not sure how
[15:14] wakawaka: i tried playing with the resource option for a socket.io listener, but kept getting errors
[15:14] wink_: wakawaka: pastebin your code please
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[15:19] bradleymeck_: inimino: whats the license on this ast thing?
[15:19] zemanel: http://zemanel.eu/nodeknockout-my-team-needs-more-judge-votes
[15:19] zemanel: lol
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[15:22] matt_c: I thought there were some bugfixes to Socket.IO regarding websockets and SSL not too long ago.
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[15:34] _announcer: Twitter: "building a scrabble MMO in 48 hours ://http://is.gd/eRCa7    ( using Node.js , mongoDB , ExpressJS and jQuery )" -- Troopstorm. http://twitter.com/troopstorm/status/22807974682
[15:38] _announcer: Twitter: "@mape Love your node.js entry. I should probably change my handle on it from caca to goatslacker :D" -- Josh Perez. http://twitter.com/goatslacker/status/22808261890
[15:39] inimino: bradleymeck_ ⋱ MIT
[15:39] _announcer: Twitter: "Joyent, Professional node.js http://dlvr.it/4c9T0" -- solydzajs. http://twitter.com/solydzajs/status/22808360711
[15:39] bradleymeck_: <3
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[15:40] _announcer: Twitter: "Can someone explain or giv a link on wat node.js is all about? :) a lot are excited & want to be excited too! :)" -- johnj2803. http://twitter.com/johnj2803/status/22808490838
[15:42] bradleymeck_: !tweet @johnj2803 async callback based evented programming, saves cpu and memory, single threaded means less locks, scripting language = win
[15:43] wink_: ooo frankie is back
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[15:45] _announcer: Twitter: ""DailyJS: Node.js Roundup 4" by @dailyjs #tech #javascript http://bit.ly/9S7qFM" -- Elijah Manor. http://twitter.com/elijahmanor/status/22808820031
[15:45] evilhackerdude: is there a browser-integration-testing thing like selenium for node yet?
[15:45] megana: is chuck here? I have connect questions
[15:45] evilhackerdude: or how does one test an express app with vows?
[15:46] megana: maybe you can run tests from post-commit hooks and output the results?
[15:47] evilhackerdude: i mean like an http client lib with a selector engine so i can make assertions about page content
[15:47] megana: .. so on the front end??
[15:47] megana: I am confused
[15:47] shockie: front end = selenium
[15:48] EyePulp: so I read the article on the behind-the-scenes of developing scrabb.ly ... they used a third party company to do the push notifications.  I'm trying to figure out if there was a reason they didn't use node + socket.io
[15:49] mape: Hmm are they tweaking the node KO votes?
[15:50] megana: I can do http session variables with connect right?
[15:51] evilhackerdude: megana: yeah, there's a session middleware in connect which gives you request.session
[15:51] megana: do I just use modify the prototype then?
[15:51] megana: request.session.bleh = "bleh" and it works okay?
[15:52] evilhackerdude: yep
[15:52] megana: oh that's so neat :D
[15:53] caolanm: does the connect session middleware default to memory for storage?
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[15:54] caolanm: ah ok
[15:54] caolanm: 
ACTION actually rtfms

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[15:54] _announcer: Twitter: "Tab A into a console IDE is pretty handy! &quot;Start.js node&quot; to run, and immediately a system log!" [nl] -- Richard Tuin. http://twitter.com/Richard_Tuin/status/22809588978
[15:54] malkomalko: anybody know how/if possible to send an xhr request from express/connect.. something akin to throwing back an ajax request in a controller
[15:55] megana: you mean just make an http request from nodejs?
[15:56] evilhackerdude: malkomalko: use node's http client lib
[15:56] _announcer: Twitter: "# Javascript + node.js + Mozilla + GitHub + HTML5 = http://mozillalabs.com/skywriter/2010/09/02/bespin-is-now-mozilla-skywriter-moves-to-github/" [id] -- Travis Hardiman. http://twitter.com/travis/status/22809729119
[15:56] malkomalko: yah, not the normal send a request and actually have the page render.. just send back some json over the wire
[15:56] malkomalko: to not force a page reload
[15:56] micheil: morning chaps & ladies
[15:56] megana: people still use Mozilla???
[15:57] malkomalko: alright evilhackerdude.. let me take a look at that, I should've thought of that
[15:57] micheil: (and I guess all those that may be in between)
[15:57] megana: you mean children micheil?
[15:57] megana: is this a riddle??
[15:58] micheil: hmm.. no, I was more thinking, neuter or similar.
[15:58] megana: oh
[15:58] megana: isn't node.js so great?
[15:59] bradleymeck_: lies!
[15:59] bradleymeck_: oh wait
[15:59] megana: ?
[15:59] bradleymeck_: indeed (ignore me most of the time)
[15:59] megana: okay fine? :(
[15:59] njero: heh
[16:00] megana: do you know how to setup parrot?
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[16:00] bradleymeck_: he hides, and sadly no, dont even know what parrot it
[16:01] megana: parrot is like ejs, but faster
[16:01] bradleymeck_: a templating engine? *goes to find*
[16:01] megana: :P
[16:01] megana: just 33 LOC!
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[16:02] megana: I wish it was in npm
[16:02] megana: issacs
[16:02] megana: :P
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[16:04] danielzilla: megana: It's usually on the package creator to add it to npm, not isaacs.
[16:04] bradleymeck_: megana, it seems like a normal module, i can for you an npm installable version though (wont put it on npm w/o his permission)
[16:06] megana: do it! :P
[16:06] _announcer: Twitter: "NodeJS wrapper for JSLint - Run JSLint on your local files: http://bit.ly/bTpgER #cool #javascript" -- Vinícius Baggio. http://twitter.com/vinibaggio/status/22810501239
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[16:07] tobeytailor: hey
[16:07] tobeytailor: any c++ ninjas here?
[16:08] bradleymeck_: bleh
[16:08] robinduckett: yeah really having a lack of luck with socket.io
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[16:09] _announcer: Twitter: ""Backend services lack a Rails. They lack a Django. They lack a JQuery or Dojo." This is where Node.js comes in. http://bit.ly/dsDemO" -- Douglas Muth (Giza). http://twitter.com/dmuth/status/22810740067
[16:09] ehaas: tobeytailor i don't know if i'm a ninja
[16:09] ehaas: buy i do know a thing or two about c++
[16:09] tobeytailor: :)
[16:09] ehaas: sadly
[16:09] tobeytailor: think its more a v8 question
[16:10] ehaas: ok
[16:10] ehaas: i've done some extension work
[16:10] tobeytailor: tried to set an accessor on a FunctionTemplate... no success
[16:10] bradleymeck_: whats the q
[16:10] tobeytailor: can set one on Function
[16:11] tobeytailor: but seems to have no impact on the function object
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[16:14] blowery: tobeytailor: i'm more of a C++ Pirate
[16:15] tobeytailor: want to make something similiar to the following js code: var a = function(){}; a.__defineGetter__(a, function(){ console.log("Hi i'm a class member!"); })
[16:15] ehaas: tobeytailor: it seems to work for me
[16:15] ehaas: let me pastie some code real quick
[16:16] aurynn: __defineGetter__ ?
[16:16] tobeytailor: :)
[16:16] tobeytailor: im more a javascript pirate
[16:16] aurynn: (I have not seen this before, what is it ? )
[16:17] tobeytailor: these are my first steps in c++/v8
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[16:17] aurynn: Ahh.
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[16:17] tobeytailor: your familiar with getters and setters?
[16:17] aurynn: yes.
[16:17] aurynn: so __getattr__ from python would be a good analogue?
[16:17] ehaas: http://pastie.org/1134055
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[16:17] tobeytailor: havent used python before
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[16:18] pyronicide: aurynn:  no
[16:18] caolanm: I actually used to do ninjutsu, perhaps I should take it up again so I can be the only legitimate Javascript Ninja on the internet...
[16:18] pyronicide: aurynn:  getters and setters are like @property in python
[16:19] aurynn: Ahh.
[16:19] aurynn: I support this wholeheartedly.
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[16:19] pyronicide: i'd give body parts for IE 6/7 to support getters and setters
[16:19] _announcer: Twitter: "@bbenninger Who said it wasn't? Hoping it takes down first prize. #swarmnation #nodeko #node.js" -- Ben Vinegar. http://twitter.com/bentlegen/status/22811562615
[16:20] ehaas: tobeytailor are you using the cloudkick extension tutorial https://www.cloudkick.com/blog/2010/aug/23/writing-nodejs-native-extensions/
[16:20] tobeytailor: nope, havent seen this before. thx
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[16:21] ehaas: that might make it more clear where my code goes
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[16:21] aurynn: I should learn C++ so I can write node extensions.
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[16:22] tobeytailor: :)
[16:22] jetienne: c++ is not that simple :)
[16:22] tobeytailor: ah damn, i think i've found the error in my code...
[16:23] aurynn: jetienne, syntax is easy. Mental state is hard.
[16:23] jetienne: btw is there a standard way to include c++ in node ? like a plugin direc tory or something ?
[16:23] aurynn: :)
[16:23] jetienne: aurynn: syntax is easy ??? you clearly dunno cp++ :)
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[16:24] jetienne: template <typename T, skey_auth_algo_t::strtype_enum AUTH_ALGO_ENUM, size_t NB_BYTE>
[16:24] aurynn: jetienne, syntax is the easy part. Admittedly, I haven't worked with C++ yet.. :)
[16:24] jetienne: 	T operator >> (const gen_id_t<T, AUTH_ALGO_ENUM, NB_BYTE> &gen_id, int nb_bit)	throw();
[16:24] _announcer: Twitter: "says Our Favorite New Apps From The Node.js Knockout Competition http://ping.fm/6vbAj http://plurk.com/p/7b3ku5" -- PI. http://twitter.com/PIEDOUCHE/status/22811878765
[16:24] jetienne: friend	xmlrpc_parse_t &operator >> <> (xmlrpc_parse_t& xmlrpc_parse, gen_id_t<T, AUTH_ALGO_ENUM, NB_BYTE> &gen_id)
[16:24] jetienne: 										throw(xml_except_t);
[16:24] ehaas: c++ has a built-in turing-complete compile time metalanguage
[16:24] jetienne: notice the <> :)
[16:24] ehaas: hardly simple
[16:24] tobeytailor: think i pass the wrong function back to js...
[16:24] jetienne: ten points to the one able to parse those lines :)
[16:25] jetienne: this is from a source ofmine so i dont play :)
[16:25] aurynn: Oh yes, I remember now, C++ defaults to overloading operators all over the place.
[16:25] CIA-77: node: 03isaacs 07master * r0e31171 10/ (lib/url.js test/simple/test-url.js): 
[16:25] CIA-77: node: Treat "//some_path" as pathname rather than hostname by default.
[16:25] CIA-77: node: Note that "//" is still a special indicator for the hostname, and this does
[16:25] CIA-77: node: not change the parsing of mailto: and other "slashless" url schemes. It
[16:25] CIA-77: node: does however remove some oddness in url.parse(req.url) which is the most
[16:25] CIA-77: node: common use-case for the url.parse function. - http://bit.ly/aLZ6tw
[16:25] CIA-77: node: 03Benjamin Thomas 07master * rcda1a38 10/ (src/node.js test/simple/test-next-tick-errors.js): (log message trimmed)
[16:25] CIA-77: node: Fix bug in process._tickCallback where callbacks can get abandoned.
[16:25] CIA-77: node: Change process._tickCallback so that if a callback throws an error but
[16:25] CIA-77: node: there are other callbacks after it, we indicate that
[16:25] CIA-77: node: process._tickCallback needs to be ran again.
[16:25] CIA-77: node: Currently, if a callback in process._tickCallback throws an error, and
[16:25] CIA-77: node: that error is caught by an uncaughtException handler and
[16:26] jetienne: ?
[16:26] jetienne: cia bot is going mad
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[16:26] jetienne: ah ok no, it is about multi line comment in the commit
[16:26] _announcer: Twitter: "Very cool use to Node.JS and the secret sauce that..  http://bit.ly/bwRiYd" -- Eric Thompson. http://twitter.com/Cyanbane/status/22812078026
[16:26] ehaas: jetienne seriously though what is that <> about
[16:26] bradleymeck_: c++ templates may be turing complete, dont mean they are pretty
[16:27] ehaas: it's been a few years since i did real c++
[16:27] wink_: templates should've been aborted :<
[16:27] jetienne: ehaas: magical cpp stuff :) write a major cpp project to be enlightned :)))
[16:27] ehaas: you have a reference?
[16:27] ehaas: i used to work on major cpp stuff 6 years ago
[16:27] ehaas: but a lot of it has fled my brain
[16:27] dachary: I would like to attend the paris nodejs meeting. Will there be a sign indicating where it is ? Or should I ask everyone in the bar ? 
[16:28] jetienne: ehaas: same here :) http://github.com/jeromeetienne/neoip/blob/master/src/neoip_netutils/gen_id/neoip_gen_id.hpp
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[16:28] proppy: jetienne: still ok for 19h ?
[16:28] proppy: dachary: will come
[16:28] jetienne: ehaas: i got even better if you want
[16:28] jetienne: proppy: yep
[16:28] jetienne: damn i have to move
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[16:28] proppy: case will come too, and mornifle too
[16:29] jetienne: proppy: recruiting on nodejs+paris ? excelent
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[16:30] proppy: jetienne:see you there
[16:30] jetienne: http://github.com/jeromeetienne/neoip/blob/master/src/neoip_base/memory/nipmem/alloc/neoip_nipmem_alloc.hpp#L199 <- ehaas this is expert cpp :)
[16:30] jetienne: proppy: deal
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[16:31] ehaas: is that some placement new stuff?
[16:31] dachary: http://nodejs.org/cla.html does it promise that the contributed code will not be made proprietary ? I'm happy to sign a CLA but reluctant to allow my work to become proprietary software as a consequence.
[16:31] wink_: jetienne: good god man, what does neoip do? :P
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[16:32] jetienne: ehaas: this one is a way to intercept new such as i get the __FILE__ __LINE__ and thus able to track memory allocation/free 
[16:32] jetienne: ehaas: to avoid memory leaks
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[16:32] ehaas: nice
[16:32] jetienne: wink_: this is what i call my "p2p monster". http://webpeer.it is the first stuff extracted from it
[16:32] dachary: You and NodeJS agree: You grant us the ability to use the Contributions in any way. ... binary, proprietary, or commercial licenses.
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[16:33] wink_: jetienne: you have a typo in your about page, plateform <3
[16:33] _announcer: Twitter: "informal #nodejs paris meetup at 19h here: http://is.gd/eRHJh" -- proppy. http://twitter.com/proppy/status/22812627039
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[16:34] _announcer: Twitter: "Nice idea out of nodeknockout.com competition - using NodeJS, MongoDB and JQuery to build a Scrabble MMO in 48 hours http://bit.ly/bwRiYd" -- Paul Conroy. http://twitter.com/conroyp/status/22812667657
[16:35] jetienne: wink_: no far :) thanks
[16:35] jetienne: ok going to meeting
[16:35] wink_: thats a shitton of work man
[16:35] wink_: :p
[16:36] _announcer: Twitter: "Very cool: Node.js, MongoDB & more used for MMO: http://bit.ly/bwRiYd" -- roger bodamer. http://twitter.com/rogerb/status/22812792346
[16:36] jetienne: indeed and webpeer is only part of it :)
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[16:37] _announcer: Twitter: "Scrabble MMO using NodeJS/NodeExpress, MongoDB, JQuery : http://scrabb.ly/" -- Nuno Furtado. http://twitter.com/sapiens/status/22812895313
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[16:39] javajunky: tjholowaychuk: hey dude, is the bodyDecoder currently working ok ?   Looking at the code I struggle to work out how to get different decoders assigned, as decode seems to be undefined .. I'm probably mis-understanding it but it looks like the middleware blows away the external reference to the decode literal ? 
[16:41] tjholowaychuk: javajunky: exports.decode has the functions
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[16:42] javajunky: from outside bodyDecoder.decode is undefined  .. (on a friend's system so it could be screwy).. but grok'ing the code it looks as though exports.decode= {};  exports= function bodyDecoder() …   doesn't the latter blow away the former ?
[16:42] tjholowaychuk: javajunky: I should export them below though so that you can connect.bodyDecoder['foo/bar'] = function..
[16:42] tjholowaychuk: javajunky: ah :) k yeah we are talking about the same thing, one sec ill fix
[16:43] tjholowaychuk: im trying to get away from having people do require('connect/middleware/bodyDecoder') etc anyway
[16:43] javajunky: putting love back into the global namespace <g> ?
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[16:44] tjholowaychuk: javajunky: not global, but for example connect.session.MemoryStore vs require('connect/middleware/session/memory')
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[16:44] tjholowaychuk: which is effectively a namespace anyways
[16:44] tjholowaychuk: just more annoying
[16:44] javajunky: ah yeah fair
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[16:46] javajunky: right g2g , cheers for that tj
[16:47] tjholowaychuk: javajunky: will have that fix up in  a second
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[16:55] _announcer: Twitter: "Let's say litigiousness  kills #java. What is the successor? #c# + mono? #javascript + node.js? Discuss." -- Bob Fraser. http://twitter.com/bobfraser1/status/22814198647
[16:55] TooTallNate: tjholowaychuk: ping
[16:55] tjholowaychuk: TooTallNate: pong
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[16:56] TooTallNate: tjholowaychuk: You get a change to look at my "Range" pull request? http://github.com/senchalabs/connect/pull/97
[16:56] TooTallNate: *chance
[16:56] tjholowaychuk: TooTallNate: not yet, will try to soon
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[16:56] TooTallNate: tjholowaychuk: Cool
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[17:05] tjholowaychuk: kiwi is officially deadddd
[17:06] c4milo: ahaha, long time since you are killing kiwi and it doesn't want to die 
[17:06] tjholowaychuk: no choice now :p
[17:06] c4milo: ahaha
[17:07] _announcer: Twitter: "Vote for solo entry on the Node.js knockout competition http://is.gd/eLtDF realtime heat maps for the masses! #node.js #nodeKO" -- Arnout Kazemier. http://twitter.com/3rdEden/status/22815131805
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[17:09] mjr__: mape: your solo effort is scoring #4 overall.  That's awesome.
[17:09] mape: mjr_: Yeah really happy :)
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[17:10] mape: found 5 people that voted all 1os though, along with other peoples projects :(
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[17:10] tjholowaychuk: who won? swarmation?
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[17:10] c4milo: tjholowaychuk: aren't you a judge ? 
[17:11] tjholowaychuk: c4milo: yeah, I just havent checked out the site since the voting stopped, just taking a look
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[17:14] V1: congrats on best solo mape, Ill settle with second best solo :p
[17:14] _announcer: Twitter: "Amazing dtrace+node.js stuff from @bcantrill: http://bit.ly/bLk8LY" -- Grig Gheorghiu. http://twitter.com/griggheo/status/22815572961
[17:14] dilvie: Congrats, mape. Your projects have been very creative.
[17:15] mape: Thanks :)
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[17:15] benv: yeah, a+, would buy again
[17:16] c4milo: who won / 
[17:16] c4milo: ? 
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[17:16] benv: i'm upset right now because our last judge claimed "qunit is only good for jquery users"
[17:16] benv: :(
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[17:17] V1: c4milo: It's not over yet ,but i'm not going to beat mape in votes anymore so he will become best solo team :p
[17:17] dilvie: what is "this" at the top level node.js scope?
[17:17] mape: V1: Get your friends to vote all 1s on me ;)
[17:18] dilvie: inside a module..
[17:18] tjholowaychuk: dilvie: should be the exports
[17:18] tjholowaychuk: i think
[17:18] tjholowaychuk: has changed a few times
[17:18] V1: mape: I could do that ;D
[17:18] mape: Seems like everyone else is doing that so why not :D
[17:18] dilvie: tjholowaychuk: thanks. Trying to intepret somebody's code example. I don't think I would write it that way... =)
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[17:19] tjholowaychuk: dilvie: I just use exports. "this.myfunc" is a little clunky
[17:19] zemanel: does Ryan Dahl hang around here?
[17:19] V1: mape: Or you should get me voted up so I get solo, as you are also ranked first for completeness ;)
[17:20] mape: Hehe, would prefer the innovation
[17:20] _announcer: Twitter: "Wow, didn't note that "varnishtop" actually works with #Firefox 3.5.x, too! http://bit.ly/dnRTtV #nodejs #html5 #websockets #javascript" -- Jochen Kupperschmidt. http://twitter.com/homeworkprod/status/22816006414
[17:20] mjr_: V1: which entry is yours?
[17:20] V1: mjr_: Speedo
[17:21] dilvie: tjholowaychuk: I agree.
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[17:22] mjr_: V1: you did that solo?
[17:22] V1: yes
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[17:22] daniellindsley: zemanel: Yes, he's ryah.
[17:22] mjr_: nice work
[17:22] V1: Thanks mjr_ 
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[17:23] _announcer: Twitter: "I feel like #nodejs is competing with Ruby and Python and Java, while #commonjs is competing with Scheme and Haskell." -- Ⓘⓢⓐⓐⓒ. http://twitter.com/izs/status/22816210751
[17:24] zemanel: thx
[17:24] maushu: We aren't competing with anyone.
[17:24] maushu: We just stab them in the back, in the middle of the night.
[17:25] inimino: How is #commonjs competing with Scheme or Haskell?
[17:25] stephank: I don't follow. Commonjs is not a language?
[17:25] inimino: 
ACTION doesn't follow

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[17:25] stephank: hah
[17:25] maushu: zemanel: Are you going to codebits?
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[17:26] zemanel: maushu, if i get accepted
[17:27] zemanel: maushu, http://codebits.eu/zemanel , i proposed a talk too but it's not taking off
[17:28] herbySk: creationix: [nstore] Hello, I have looked at the changes, they perform the same things, though with a bit pragmatic implementation... do you stilll intend to do some core refactoring or not?
[17:28] creationix: herbySk: what do you mean?
[17:29] creationix: herbySk: I'm waiting for fast buffers to land and get caught up on some other work before I continue on nStore
[17:29] herbySk: creationix: restructuring code, sort-of-a-microkernel-thing we talked about before...
[17:29] creationix: herbySk: I've been learning CouchDB the last week, and I'd love incremental map-reduce views on top of nStore
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[17:31] mape: visnup: Around?
[17:32] visnup: 'sup?
[17:32] bradleymeck_: 
ACTION goes off to make a mixed mode attack the causes havoc if a user enters strict mode

[17:32] _announcer: Twitter: "Announcing Nodul.es, a web based view of Node.js modules: http://bit.ly/bSUhMB #nodeknockout" -- Paul Querna. http://twitter.com/pquerna/status/22816832364
[17:32] herbySk: creationix: well, I don't know exactly what it is, but ok, it looks as there going to be lot of changes there, so no probably no point of restructuring existing codebase yet...
[17:32] _announcer: Twitter: "@izs interesting..   I consider node.js competing with ngnix as well." -- screwlewse. http://twitter.com/screwlewse/status/22816845895
[17:32] maushu: zemanel: I'm still thinking in going. A colleague of mine is going: http://codebits.eu/lurst and has been accepted.
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[17:32] mape: visnup: Any plans to remove stuff like this https://gist.github.com/031b2811e66866cef625 ?
[17:32] bradleymeck_: lol isaacs
[17:32] creationix: herbySk: I'm not against the microkernel idea, I just need to set aside some time to think it through for myself
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[17:33] herbySk: creationix: ok
[17:33] maushu: zemanel: I suppose you haven't solved the binary problem from the quizzes?
[17:33] bradleymeck_: inimino, they are focused on api purity (which their api gives me nightmares) rather than practicality, so quite often they seem more functional than node
[17:33] creationix: visnup: It shouldn't be hard to detect the people who are obviously abusing the voting system
[17:34] zemanel: maushu, no, i have better things to do
[17:34] maushu: zemanel: I have tried everything! \o/
[17:34] maushu: I'm a sucker for these things.
[17:35] inimino: bradleymeck_ ⋱ Hm, maybe.
[17:35] wattz: to me it just makes sense if the button tag had a click css attribute
[17:35] zemanel: maushu, i'm trying to solve a puzzle of my own atm
[17:36] maushu: Hmm.
[17:36] maushu: bbl, going home
[17:36] isaacs: bradleymeck_: :)
[17:36] lstoll: mape: I'm sure not a fan of voting like that.
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[17:37] mape: lstoll: Just annoying, might screw someone over, I don't really care, don't think it changes much for me, but for other people closer to eachother it might bite them
[17:37] isaacs: inimino: my comment has nothing to do with functional languages per se.
[17:37] isaacs: inimino: also, i don't really believe that scheme and haskell are "languages" in any but the strictest sense, either.
[17:37] lstoll: mape: Im part of explorer sox, I keep watching us rise up, then drop back down when it comes along
[17:37] isaacs: inimino: that is, they're not like ruby or python.
[17:38] mape: lstoll: :/
[17:38] isaacs: inimino: languages need speakers.  those things are like esperanto.  yes yes, you have your perfect lovely perfectness, have fun telling yourself that in your perfect language alone in the corner, while we in the real world speak english and have imperfect APIs and friends and jobs.
[17:39] isaacs: 
ACTION feeling a bit ranty this morning, sorry

[17:39] inimino: Eh, that's just crazy talk.
[17:39] inimino: People are building things that work in Haskell and Scheme every day.
[17:39] inimino: 
ACTION included

[17:39] isaacs: inimino: yeah, and in commonjs, too
[17:40] bradleymeck_: and in fortan / cobol *flex*
[17:40] isaacs: inimino: and i'll be someone somewhere is having a conversation in esperanto right now...ish
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[17:40] isaacs: inimino: and their grammar is sensible!
[17:40] isaacs: s/be/bet/
[17:40] _announcer: Twitter: "node.js KO is making the best of the rock, this addictive game proves it. node.js, processing.js, and jQuery Javascript socket.io rulez" [es] -- karlos g liberal. http://twitter.com/patxangas/status/22817418638
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[17:41] bradleymeck_: anywho, i think there is a large discrepancy between "popular" languages an "expert" languages which i wish could be gapped
[17:42] isaacs: bradleymeck_: what's an "expert" language?  a language that's hard to use?
[17:42] bradleymeck_: one used to build expert systems or mathemagically proven
[17:43] inimino: isaacs ⋱ The popular languages are the ones just catching on to the features that expert languages introduced two or three decades ago.
[17:44] isaacs: inimino: so?
[17:44] isaacs: i'm not saying scheme and haskell aren't interesting and powerful.
[17:44] _announcer: Twitter: "Sweet, my Node.js streaming tweet spooler passes the sleeping laptop test with flying colors." -- J Chris Anderson. http://twitter.com/jchris/status/22817672971
[17:45] isaacs: i'm saying that, compared with the power or interestingness that you get out of the box with python, ruby, or node.js, they don't really measure up.
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[17:45] inimino: isaacs ⋱ I couldn't disagree more.
[17:45] mape: inimino: Why are you using js if the other languages are better?
[17:46] isaacs: inimino: right, but you're hardly the normal coder.  (and i mean that in the dearest possible way.)
[17:46] HansInEffect: 
ACTION has his snarky detector go off

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[17:46] isaacs: HansInEffect: no, seriously
[17:46] HansInEffect: :)
[17:46] isaacs: HansInEffect: have you seen inimino's code?  he's incredibly talented and bizarre.
[17:46] _announcer: Twitter: "Nodul.es: CPAN for Node.js http://ow.ly/2yEsY" -- Dan DeFelippi. http://twitter.com/ExpertDan/status/22817798751
[17:46] _announcer: Twitter: "Going to get my node.js on @yahoo at 1pm. Need to understand what this is all about." -- Jaisen Mathai. http://twitter.com/jmathai/status/22817811251
[17:46] HansInEffect: isaacs: no I'll have to take a look
[17:46] _announcer: Twitter: "Building a Scrabble MMO in 48 hours  http://bit.ly/a8Gz3j #nodejs #mongodb" -- Régis Gaidot. http://twitter.com/rgaidot/status/22817811611
[17:47] inimino: Python or Ruby have very little in them that is interesting from a language perspective; they are practical because they have large communities and consequently library support for lots of "practical" problems like parsing XML or HTML out of the box.
[17:47] isaacs: HansInEffect: i HIGHLY recommend it.  inimino's code had a big effect on my style.  it's very interesting.
[17:47] isaacs: inimino: right, and how is it that a language with "very little that is interesting from a language perspective" get so many people using it?  that's interesting.
[17:48] HansInEffect: inimino: I'm curious now do you have any github repos?
[17:48] inimino: mape ⋱ I'm using JavaScript because it runs in the browser and because of node.js, which is awesome.
[17:48] isaacs: 
ACTION chuckles at HansInEffect... "github repos"... just wait...

[17:48] inimino: isaacs ⋱ Precisely for that reason: the things that are interesting from a language perspective are the things that are new and hence unfamiliar.
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[17:48] konobi: nodul.es is a CPAN clone? ha... i think not
[17:48] isaacs: inimino: so, you see, that's where JavaScript is poised to be the interpreted language that wins.
[17:48] isaacs: konobi: inorite?
[17:49] konobi: isaacs: eh?
[17:49] isaacs: konobi: "Sure, CPAN has 15 years of full-time dedicated support and interest, but we 4 guys whipped it out in a weekend."
[17:49] inimino: isaacs ⋱ How many times have you heard someone say, in effect, "I looked at X but then I saw the word 'monad' so I shut off my brain and did something else instead."?
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[17:49] isaacs: konobi: inorite = "i know, right?!"
[17:49] V1: cpan is sooo 1995
[17:49] inimino: isaacs ⋱ I hear it pretty often.
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[17:50] pquerna: i don't think nodul.es claimed feature parity, i think it claimed inspiration.
[17:50] creationix: node has monads
[17:50] isaacs: pquerna: of course
[17:50] creationix: they just aren't called that
[17:50] konobi: V1: cpan is still superior in functionality to pretty much every other languages distribution system
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[17:51] isaacs: inimino: s/monad/callback/ and i hear it ALL the time.
[17:51] konobi: not to mention all the CPAN developer tools
[17:51] creationix: well, not exactely monads since all code is eager evualated and can have side-effects
[17:51] inimino: isaacs ⋱ So sure, JavaScript is popular because the things that are unusual about JavaScript (closures, basically) aren't that unusual anymore and most programmers are expected to be comfortable with them.
[17:51] V1: I don't wanna sound like asshole or something but i think mapes implementation of a web view for NPM pwns > 4 man team
[17:51] creationix: isaacs: did you see ryah's talk subject for jsconf
[17:51] isaacs: inimino: my usual response is "don't be dumb, it's easy"
[17:51] V1: The only they did is work with some json :!
[17:51] creationix: it looks a lot like mine, must be a common hard point
[17:51] isaacs: creationix: nope
[17:51] isaacs: creationix: what's yours?
[17:51] inimino: isaacs ⋱ Sure, monad and closure are just at different points along the same curve.
[17:51] creationix: mine is all about control flow techniques in a non-blocking system
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[17:52] creationix: http://jsconf.eu/2010/speaker/techniques_for_a_single_stack.html
[17:52] isaacs: creationix: i'd suggest that, rather than present Step, lead them through building something like Step.
[17:52] creationix: isaacs: that's the plan
[17:52] creationix: I want to teach techniques, not tools
[17:52] creationix: just mention tools also
[17:53] bradleymeck_: im still waiting on getting goto back into switch statements...
[17:53] inimino: creationix ⋱ Yeah, you can make that argument, but Monad is a typeclass and JavaScript doesn't have typeclasses.
[17:53] pquerna: V1: pull requests welcome :)  (the internals are than just pulling json, and more features will ship once the NKO voting is over, we just didn't finish a few things)
[17:53] creationix: inimino: yeah, it's only there at a very high level
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[17:53] inimino: creationix ⋱ So if you make something monad-like in JavaScript you just have something that's monad-like but you don't have the type machinery that makes it actually worth learning what a monad is.
[17:54] V1: pquerna: will do if i can digg up some time :p
[17:54] creationix: true
[17:54] isaacs: inimino: yeah, but type machinery is heavy.  meh.
[17:54] creationix: inimino: I assume you're seen haXe
[17:54] creationix: it's basically ECMA script with strict types + type inference
[17:54] creationix: and some smart pattern matching in it's switch statements
[17:55] inimino: I've seen it but not that recently.
[17:55] creationix: I don't think it's changed much
[17:55] isaacs: bradleymeck_: you know, you can use named do-while(false) and then break name;
[17:55] inimino: I might need to take another look because that does sound nice ^_^
[17:55] isaacs: bradleymeck_: similar to a goto, but you can't go back to it
[17:55] bradleymeck_: woot, inimino, i got my closure detector working with your parser /hug
[17:55] _announcer: Twitter: "@jmathai node.js is about pure performance, like you never experienced it before #nodejs #performanceporn" -- Sebastian Schürmann. http://twitter.com/sschuermann/status/22818371400
[17:55] creationix: I love the haXe language, but I can't seem to find a valid use case for it other than generating good swf bytecode
[17:55] inimino: bradleymeck_ ⋱ awesome
[17:55] bradleymeck_: no, i want a real goto if only available in switches (honestly shouldnt be using it elsewhere)
[17:56] isaacs: bradleymeck_: however, you can jump to the START of the loop with doing JUMP=true; continue inside a do{JUMP=false; ...  }while(JUMP)
[17:56] bradleymeck_: i can do the jumping to start/end just fine jumping around the middle though...
[17:57] inimino: creationix ⋱ Is it like coffeescript, can you use it as a general-purpose front-end to JavaScript?
[17:57] _announcer: Twitter: "Interesting to see node.js in @palm webOS - it was the first thing I tried compiling when I got gcc working on my pre http://bit.ly/cqmYkh" -- l.m. orchard. http://twitter.com/lmorchard/status/22818503280
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[17:57] creationix: inimino: It can generate javascript too, it compiles to about 6 different targets
[17:57] creationix: neko and swf are the best though
[17:58] inimino: Hm, ok.
[17:58] creationix: I think there is also javascript, c++, and php
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[17:59] megana: How do I add more rendering engines to express?
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[17:59] tjholowaychuk: megana: anything that can be require()d and exports .render()
[18:00] tjholowaychuk: megana: its in the docs, one sec
[18:00] megana: like parrot :)
[18:00] tjholowaychuk: megana: http://expressjs.com/guide.html#View-Rendering
[18:01] megana: okay neat
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[18:03] megana: I feel like I should just wait for the parrot guy to put it in for me
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[18:04] bradleymeck_: you want a gist w/ a compatible parrot?
[18:04] megana: okay
[18:04] megana: what's a gist??
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[18:04] bradleymeck_: sec ill whip it up in a jiffy
[18:04] megana: dame lo que quiero
[18:05] mape: visnup: Any word on the wonky voting?
[18:05] qFox: say, is jimbastard the one behind nodejitsu.com ?
[18:05] tjholowaychuk: megana: you can use app.register() to whip up compliance for engines that have different apis
[18:05] bradleymeck_: actually parrot's render matches express... so it should be just drop in
[18:05] bradleymeck_: qFox him and indexzero mostly
[18:05] _announcer: Twitter: "Node.js to be a part of webOS 2.0...  http://bit.ly/9cZpQg" -- bertjk. http://twitter.com/bertjk/status/22819040045
[18:05] visnup: sorry, back
[18:06] megana: when I say require("express")... where is express??
[18:06] tjholowaychuk: megana: its returned
[18:06] visnup: yeah, there are plans to do some culling
[18:06] megana: I mean on the file system
[18:06] visnup: mape: the thing is, he's a real guy. just an ass of a guy.
[18:06] qFox: kk
[18:06] mape: visnup: all of them?
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[18:06] visnup: mape: haven't checked, but pretty sure.
[18:06] megana: because when I make a module, I have to use relative paths
[18:07] mape: visnup: 5 of them all giving only 1s
[18:07] megana: require("./mymodule")
[18:07] _announcer: Twitter: "@izs I feel #nodejs is #python's twisted or #ruby's eventmachine done right. Paving the way for asynchronous #rails or #django competitor." -- Bart Teeuwisse. http://twitter.com/bartt/status/22819127090
[18:07] hober: megana: see require.paths
[18:07] visnup: mape: I'll be taking a look at this in about an hour
[18:07] megana: so... where are these special modules? I can just print that hober?
[18:07] mape: visnup: k :)
[18:08] megana: /usr/local/lib/node!
[18:08] megana: sweet! thx hober
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[18:08] _announcer: Twitter: "Building a MMO Scrable world in 48 hours at the Node.js KO http://bit.ly/bD16xs /ht @philnelson" -- Jay Goldman. http://twitter.com/jaygoldman/status/22819242228
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[18:10] _announcer: Twitter: "Always remember: compiling node.js while your laptop is ON your lap, not a good idea.  Especially while drinking hot coffee." -- Graham. http://twitter.com/gmcintire/status/22819327548
[18:11] hober: megana: note that you can add other dirs to that; it's just an array
[18:11] megana: okay
[18:11] hober: megana: and you can set your NODE_PATH env var to manip it as well
[18:11] megana: bradleym, how do I just "drop it in"?
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[18:11] megana: thx hober
[18:11] gf3: NO NO U
[18:11] megana: bradleymeck_
[18:13] joshdulac: hello everyone
[18:14] megana: hi joshdulac
[18:14] _announcer: Twitter: "Paul Querna: Announcing Nodul.es: CPAN for Node.js http://bit.ly/d5zhBW" -- Planet Apache. http://twitter.com/planetapache/status/22819605248
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[18:15] bradleymeck_: first you app.register the filetype, then you make sure when you do require("name of engine here") that it maps to the module you want
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[18:15] megana: I put parrot.js into my node path folder
[18:16] _announcer: Twitter: "I should be working, but I'm playing with node.js instead.  Shhhhh!" -- Tilton Raccoon. http://twitter.com/tilton_raccoon/status/22819705541
[18:16] bradleymeck_: and require("parrot") works? and you set the app.register(".parrot or whatnot",require("parrot")) ?
[18:17] megana: I dunno. I will try :)
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[18:17] megana: I decided they will be phtml :P
[18:19] megana: no... there's no such method as register for express
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[18:19] megana: require("express").createServer().register()
[18:20] bradleymeck_: yea its on a per app basis
[18:20] tjholowaychuk: megana: http://expressjs.com/guide.html#app-register-ext-exports-
[18:20] megana: hey chuck!
[18:20] tjholowaychuk: megana: you may need to use Express HEAD
[18:20] tjholowaychuk: the History.md (changelog) will let you know what was added when
[18:21] tjholowaychuk: but I think register() is new, cant remember now
[18:21] megana: didn't you make connect?
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[18:22] tjholowaychuk: megana: myself/tim wrote connect and myself/aaron/guillermo/ciaran wrote express
[18:22] megana: thank you for express :)
[18:22] tjholowaychuk: np, good luck with learning node n stuff
[18:23] megana: I think I have express 1.0.0rc
[18:23] megana: but app.register is in rc2
[18:24] megana: so I guess I just npm install express to get rc2?
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[18:24] tjholowaychuk: yup
[18:25] megana: sweet. works great
[18:25] megana: I see your name in there too 8)
[18:25] isaacs: megana: or npm update occasionally to get the latest version of everything (and remove any older un-needed versions)
[18:25] megana: well I already had rc isaacs, did I make a messing doing it that way?
[18:26] isaacs: megana: nope
[18:26] megana: okay good
[18:27] creationix: tjholowaychuk: I use npm for my deployment now
[18:27] creationix: I had to update the spark package so howtonode could run
[18:27] tjholowaychuk: creationix: nice
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[18:28] creationix: and put wheat/proto/other deps on npm
[18:28] isaacs: creationix: i dig wheat
[18:28] creationix: :)
[18:28] isaacs: creationix: considering moving foohack off of wordpress
[18:29] isaacs: creationix: don't suppose you've ever come across a wordpress-to-markdown converter script anywhere?
[18:29] creationix: no, sorry, but I've seen some good html to markdown converters
[18:29] creationix: pandoc seems solid
[18:29] _announcer: Twitter: "Building a Scrabble MMO in 48 hours with Node.js and MongoDB:  Andy Baio : Building a Scrabble MMO in 48 hours wit... http://bit.ly/ctWlIc" -- Paolo Patronimic. http://twitter.com/salve/status/22820489644
[18:30] devinus: does anybody have a lot of experience with statistics?
[18:31] megana: still there bradleymeck_?
[18:31] bradleymeck_: mmm?
[18:32] bradleymeck_: devinus, not beyond t test and stuff lol
[18:32] megana: http://dev.frugli.com/ I am not sure what to make of this :P
[18:32] megana: sorry
[18:32] megana: for asking so many questions
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[18:33] creationix: megana: maybe your node is compiled without ssl
[18:33] _announcer: Twitter: "Shared Link: Building a Scrabble MMO in 48 hours with Node.js and MongoDB http://bit.ly/bduE50" -- Brent Morris. http://twitter.com/closetgeekshow/status/22820714185
[18:33] tjholowaychuk: megana: did you compile w/ ssl support? we need md5 fallback
[18:33] megana: but I'm not using ssl
[18:33] tjholowaychuk: for connect at least
[18:33] bradleymeck_: openssl is how all the crypto works though
[18:33] megana: is it because I used a session?
[18:33] bradleymeck_: and parrot is calling some crypto
[18:33] megana: oh I see
[18:34] tjholowaychuk: 
ACTION still wants to add code snippits to those stack traces

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[18:34] megana: so... what flag do I add to the ./configure?
[18:34] matt_c: chewbranca: We ordered our Kindle last night :)
[18:34] _announcer: Twitter: "@davidnwelton Node.js is also on the new WebOS SDK .. thoughts? http://bit.ly/9cZpQg" -- grigio. http://twitter.com/grigi0/status/22820820808
[18:35] creationix: wow, the node + palm meetup has 46 RSVPs already
[18:35] creationix: I created the event just yesterday
[18:36] drudge: palm is the best
[18:36] _announcer: Twitter: "Moved a mini Node.JS project into its own repo today. I give you, node-memcached! http://bit.ly/cuccVw" -- Ryan LeFevre. http://twitter.com/MeltingIce/status/22820921764
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[18:37] bradleymeck_: megana, do you have libssl-dev installed?
[18:37] bradleymeck_: it should detect it in ./configure automatically
[18:37] megana: no, I will install i then
[18:38] bradleymeck_: inimino, any chance i could get line numbers in this panpg thing?
[18:38] inimino: bradleymeck_ ⋱ On the nodes?
[18:38] bradleymeck_: ya
[18:39] inimino: Hm...
[18:39] bradleymeck_: even if i have to enable worse perf
[18:39] inimino: You can get character positions somewhat easily.
[18:40] inimino: Then you could count linebreaks.
[18:40] megana: so... where did the name "node" come from anyways?
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[18:40] wink_: latin? :)
[18:41] megana: latins didn't make node.js ;P
[18:42] megana: bradleymeck_ : libcurl4-openssl-dev - Development files and documentation for libcurl (OpenSSL)
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[18:42] megana: I think I want that right?
[18:43] bradleymeck_: idk, i just installed off a package manager
[18:43] inimino: bradleymeck_ ⋱ It needs to be added to the end of js_ast.js, just add a wrapper around every callback, which reads m.start and m.end and attaches them to the node that's returned.
[18:43] inimino: bradleymeck_ ⋱ then it could be turned on or off by a switch, though there's probably no reason to turn it off.
[18:43] inimino: bradleymeck_ ⋱ The mozilla AST has some kind of `loc` property.
[18:43] bradleymeck_: eh, performance maybe, but trying to get the ast to source path working now
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[18:44] creationix: megana: what linux are you on?  It's libssl-dev on ubuntu/debian
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[18:45] inimino: bradleymeck_ ⋱ If you want to you can probably hack it in, otherwise I'll probably get to it in a few days.
[18:45] eazyigz: has anybody deployed node.js on amazon ec2?
[18:45] megana: debian creationix
[18:45] bradleymeck_: im working on the ast to string too much right now
[18:45] megana: I have squeeze :)
[18:45] bradleymeck_: then i can jumble the ast around and optimize easier
[18:45] indexzero: easyigz: No, but I have a small deploy script for the Rackspace Cloud
[18:45] creationix: eazyigz: yeah, it works the same as any vps
[18:45] matt_c: indeed, nothing special about ec2.
[18:45] indexzero: also working on a node implementation of their api: http://github.com/nodejitsu/node-cloudservers
[18:46] megana: okay, that was the one creationix. Thanks
[18:46] creationix: :)
[18:46] eazyigz: creationix: do you use nginx as proxy, or just deploy nodejs by itself?
[18:46] megana: I'm making it now. No laptops of hot coffee here
[18:46] creationix: I deploy straight
[18:46] inimino: bradleymeck_ ⋱ Basically for cb in callbacks: new_cb = function(m,cn){var retval=old_cb(m,cn); retval.loc={start:m.start,end:m.end}; return retval}
[18:46] drudge: yay spark
[18:46] bradleymeck_: tyty
[18:47] megana: hey it worked! Thanks
[18:47] megana: I would have never figured that out
[18:48] eazyigz: indexzero: how can I see your deploy script?
[18:48] _announcer: Twitter: "Bespin is now Mozilla SkyWriter, and has a node.js server side! http://mzl.la/bJjIof http://github.com/mozilla/skywriter" -- Jim Pick. http://twitter.com/jimpick/status/22821659965
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[18:51] creationix: github gists just got cooler with the bespin bookmarklet
[18:52] fictorial: I've been trying to launch a startup (based in part on Node.js) while on paternity leave. Anyway, I'm forcing myself out to get it done and get feedback. Please take a look at the very preliminary site and let me know what you think by email (brian at fictorial dot com): http://playrelay.io
[18:52] creationix: drudge: when I get caught up on work I plan on writing a heroku/joyent style git deploy hook that can be installed on any arbitrary vps
[18:53] fictorial: I have to duck out for a while right now but thanks! and I'm sorry I've been an asshat about patching the redis client. It needs a little love I know.
[18:54] _announcer: Twitter: "#nodejs powered game platform for iOS http://playrelay.io/" -- Tim Caswell. http://twitter.com/creationix/status/22821965613
[18:54] creationix: fictorial: ^
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[18:55] bradleymeck_: ok, closure pull out optimization works, mmm mmm good
[18:55] megana: I love closure
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[18:57] bradleymeck_: i love closure too, but i want to be able to stop wasting memory w/ closures :(, plus you can get a speed gain by pulling them out if the closure scope distance is more than 2
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[19:00] aheckmann: fictorial: playrelay looks great!
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[19:02] _announcer: Twitter: "Friends @thoughtbot competing in node.js KO -- play and vote for their multi-player tower defense game: http://bit.ly/9esMtp" -- William Sulinski. http://twitter.com/wsul/status/22822454686
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[19:02] fictorial: aheckmann: thanks; it's an idea I have been researching for a while. Apple Game Center was just announced yesterday, and OpenFeint announced a multiplayer service of some kind this morning. So I have to get my shit done stat.
[19:03] frank06: does anybody know of a node smtp client with support for gmail?
[19:03] aheckmann: yeah, after doing the knockout i want to do a lot more web games so this is something that interests me
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[19:07] _announcer: Twitter: "Mastering Node: Open source eBook for Node.js - bry4n: http://tumblr.com/xkthfsax3" -- Christopher Cantu. http://twitter.com/chriscantu/status/22822768155
[19:08] _announcer: Twitter: "Cmon people the last hours to vote on my solo Node.js knockout entry "Speedo" real time HTML5 heat maps on your own site! http://is.gd/eLtDF" -- Arnout Kazemier. http://twitter.com/3rdEden/status/22822832655
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[19:14] megana: so after all that. I just went back to ejs. Parrot is too buggy
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[19:16] _announcer: Twitter: "Massively multiplayer online crossword puzzle built in 48 hours as part of Node.js Knockout. Awesome. http://scrabb.ly/" -- Aza Raskin. http://twitter.com/azaaza/status/22823340744
[19:16] bourne: which fs method would i use to find the owner of a file/directory
[19:17] creationix: bourne: probably stat
[19:18] bourne: that's what i thought, guess ill have to use the uid =)
[19:18] bourne: grep citronau /etc/passwd
[19:19] bourne: lol, i fail
[19:19] sschuermann: anyone here who can tell me why my autogenerated express.js code gives me a uncaught: Error: ECONNREFUSED, Connection refused
[19:19] sschuermann:  on test execution? 
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[19:19] mape: V1: Sent one of your goons to take me out? :D
[19:19] V1: mape: ?
[19:19] tjholowaychuk: sschuermann: one sec
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[19:20] V1: mape: what you talking about? I don't understand lol
[19:20] tjholowaychuk: sschuermann: works fine for me, `$ express foo && cd foo && expresso`
[19:20] mape: http://nodeknockout.com/people/4c7bb7c2ef74df124100016e
[19:20] mape: V1: ^
[19:21] bradleymeck_: frank06 there was one on the mailing list a while ago
[19:21] sschuermann: i didnt use it with a param the express 
[19:21] sschuermann: moment pls 
[19:21] V1: mape: If i knew who that I would have lapped him
[19:21] sschuermann: no does not work for me 
[19:22] sschuermann: open a bug? 
[19:22] mape: V1: hehe yeah
[19:22] tjholowaychuk: if you want, i will need more details though to identify the potential bug
[19:22] sschuermann: what do you want me to add ? 
[19:22] V1: mape: I'll ask around in my msn list who it is
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[19:23] tjholowaychuk: could be just that expresso uses a testing port that is already used on your machine
[19:23] tjholowaychuk: but you can alter that
[19:23] mape: V1: Or it's just random people doing damange
[19:23] mape: *damage
[19:23] tjholowaychuk: with -p ,--port
[19:23] sschuermann: moment 
[19:23] V1: mape: Could be, twitter is infected with such people
[19:23] sschuermann: nope 
[19:24] sschuermann: the vm is the problem i guess 
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[19:24] tjholowaychuk: hm
[19:24] sschuermann: ubuntu server + oracles vm container on osx
[19:24] benv: mape: not all haters are anonymous: http://nodeknockout.com/people/4c7ff2a303add0cb2000022f
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[19:25] mape: Nah he isn't haiting
[19:25] mape: Its the people throwing 1s on everything and 5 on one they want to promote
[19:25] benv: isn't that what he's doing?
[19:25] benv: except with 2s
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[19:25] benv: :)
[19:25] mjr_: It seems like that pattern would be easy to detect and filter out.
[19:25] mape: Nah
[19:26] V1: Wewt! We are getting glass fiber internet next week :)! I'm finally of this darned wireless
[19:26] _announcer: Twitter: "the node.js KO entries are awesome--but the voting process feels really open, scalable, and balanced too. http://nodeknockout.com/" -- Atul Varma. http://twitter.com/toolness/status/22823901083
[19:26] sschuermann: any way to get teh whole thing more verbose ? 
[19:27] tjholowaychuk: sschuermann: in terms of what
[19:27] sschuermann: what expresso is exactly starting on what port 
[19:27] sschuermann: last message i see is the generation of the files 
[19:28] sschuermann: but i know the error occurs when i start the test in a single command as well 
[19:28] drmark: Aloha all. I have been working on node.js for a while (from Ruby) and I must say I like it! Great job to everyone who has gotten the project this far!  I am working on a related javascript project, with which I could use some help. Does anyone know where I can find a good javascript programmer to help me with a project? It deals with video and augmented reality using Javascript. I would greatly appreciate any suggestions. None of the peo
[19:28] drmark: my circle seem to know a good javascript person who is available. 
[19:28] tjholowaychuk: sschuermann: so $ node app.js  is failing? or $ expresso
[19:28] sschuermann: app works 
[19:28] sschuermann: expresso fails 
[19:28] sschuermann: i can start the app 
[19:28] sschuermann: and it displays what i want 
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[19:29] sschuermann: or what it generated ;)) 
[19:29] tjholowaychuk: just do expresso --port n as the base port for testing, depends on your setup
[19:29] sschuermann: sebs@ubuntu:~/foo/foo$ expresso --port=333
[19:29] sschuermann: same 
[19:30] sschuermann: expresso -p 3332 same same
[19:30] sschuermann: i open a bug, you can ask for whatever details u want there, k? 
[19:30] tjholowaychuk: sure
[19:31] sschuermann: expresso or express.js repo ? 
[19:31] tjholowaychuk: expresso
[19:35] sschuermann: arg i closed it 
[19:36] sschuermann: sorry, it's now under closed, i added some OS info .. 
[19:36] _announcer: Twitter: "An interesting example of some of the things you can do with Node.js http://jeffkreeftmeijer.com/2010/experimenting-with-node-js/" [es] -- Luis Roig. http://twitter.com/Darum/status/22824497234
[19:36] rauchg_: saikat: the problem with per-message logging 
[19:36] rauchg_: is that it'll reduce the maximum simultaneous connections drastically 
[19:37] saikat: rauchg_: why is that?
[19:37] saikat: doesn't the logging just happen asynchronously?
[19:37] _announcer: Twitter: "It seems like node.js is suddenly getting much cooler! I love it." -- Bill Sullivan. http://twitter.com/enkrates/status/22824547612
[19:37] rauchg_: yep but still 
[19:37] rauchg_: in my tests 
[19:37] rauchg_: logging affected the maximum number of reqs 
[19:37] saikat: do you remember
[19:37] rauchg_: specially per message logging, i imagine that to be expensive 
[19:37] saikat: the specific numbers?
[19:38] rauchg_: no, but i'll add benchmarks/ to the rpeo
[19:38] saikat: i was going to change it to just have
[19:38] saikat: a loglevel
[19:38] rauchg_: yeah
[19:38] rauchg_: but buffering
[19:38] rauchg_: will probably be a good idea 
[19:38] saikat: so you just do logger(socket) and it sets up the listeners.  and yeah, buffering would probably be better
[19:38] saikat: i tihnk connect does buffering
[19:38] tjholowaychuk: yeah connect does
[19:39] saikat: does buffering just mean that
[19:39] saikat: it sends the data in chunks
[19:39] saikat: to the logfile?
[19:39] saikat: so it doesn't do one large asynchronous write?
[19:39] tjholowaychuk: and you can supply a new "stream" to connect.logger()
[19:39] saikat: or am i misunderstanding?
[19:39] tjholowaychuk: instead of stdout
[19:39] saikat: yeah i saw that too and possibly copied it
[19:40] saikat: =)
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[19:40] rauchg_: the fact that it's async doesn't mean it comes free :P
[19:40] saikat: i know but
[19:40] saikat: i'm trying to figure out
[19:41] rauchg_: i had a dream about akka last night
[19:41] saikat: why it hurts the actual node program's performance - is it just because you have limited resources on the machine
[19:41] saikat: so the background write reduces your memory that socket.io can use?
[19:41] _announcer: Twitter: "Building a Scrabble MMO in 48hrs with Node.js: http://www.startupmonkeys.com/2010/09/building-a-scrabble-mmo-in-48-hours/ Impressive." -- Josh Schultz. http://twitter.com/veryfancy/status/22824790632
[19:41] saikat: and why does buffering help?  is it just because with buffering, the writes can be broken up so less resources are used per write?
[19:41] rauchg_: it'll only affect how many people can connect at the same exact time 
[19:42] rauchg_: it's not that it's gonna drop clients 
[19:42] rauchg_: i'm gonna upload the benchmarks soon 
[19:42] saikat: right but i guess i'm asking - what is the reason for that?  is it because the background write takes up resources so you just max out the CPU?
[19:42] saikat: and so simultaneous connections take longer?
[19:43] _announcer: Twitter: "If you're not learning about #nodejs today, you're doing yourself a great disservice." -- Nicholas C. Zakas. http://twitter.com/slicknet/status/22824889643
[19:43] sschuermann: okay, i guess as far as i can think now, all infos are in 
[19:43] sschuermann: http://github.com/visionmedia/expresso/issues/issue/34
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[19:43] tjholowaychuk: sschuermann: thanks man
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[19:43] tjholowaychuk: will try to take a look soonish
[19:44] sschuermann: afk cleaning appartment fastly or ill be dead in 20 minutes .. gf returning from travel ;) 
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[19:44] EyePulp: hah
[19:44] saikat: er sorry - last question was to rauchg_ - i always forget to ping your name
[19:45] jesusabdullah: What do y'all use for twitter action in node?
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[19:46] maushu: jesusabdullah, sweet twitter action?
[19:46] jesusabdullah: Hell yeah, sweet twitter action
[19:46] maushu: I do it RAW.
[19:46] jesusabdullah: RAW?
[19:46] maushu: RAW.
[19:46] maushu: Meaning, I used a http client.
[19:46] jesusabdullah: Oh my -_O,
[19:46] jesusabdullah: Hmm D:
[19:47] SubStack: 
ACTION builds a test apparatus for the dnode socket.io stuff

[19:47] maushu: There are some twitter clients around, just check the Modules page.
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[19:47] _announcer: Twitter: "@slicknet best nodejs intro + deep dive pls?" -- Chris Wigley. http://twitter.com/cwigley/status/22825155617
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[19:48] jesusabdullah: Oh, good idea maushu
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[19:48] jesusabdullah: Always forget the wiki
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[19:49] V1: Oh fuck speedo.no.de just crashed
[19:49] SubStack: can't wait to be out of this state where internet is fast
[19:50] _announcer: Twitter: "@mstrobel yeah that's pretty good, Rx would work a lot better in a totally async event-loop env like node.js. #node.cs+Rx.NET would be cool" -- Demis Bellot. http://twitter.com/demisbellot/status/22825310204
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[19:51] nolan_d: Hey, writing my first Node app using coffeescript. Is there some way to have node/coffee watch all scripts for updates? The -w option seems to only work for one.
[19:52] rauchg_: saikat: 
[19:52] saikat: hey
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[19:53] cbrake: I'm having trouble getting express to serve a public directory: http://pastebin.com/8ifXMS0R
[19:53] rauchg_: it limits maximum number of established connections per second
[19:53] cbrake: does anyone have any suggestions as to what I'm doing wrong?
[19:54] rauchg_: not overall limit of established connections (you'll probably hit a ram/bandwidth limit there)
[19:54] saikat: rauchg_: yeah, i understand
[19:54] saikat: rauchg_: but what causes the limit?  is it because CPU spikes on new connects, and async logging uses up CPU?
[19:54] rauchg_: i suspect that's the case 
[19:54] saikat: makes sense
[19:54] maushu: V1, why?
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[19:55] saikat: rauchg_ so buffering would help since it would be doing less logging per any given moment (since doing it in smaller stages)?
[19:55] _announcer: Twitter: "@mstrobel I agree, works well in async environments like Silverlight. Not as useful on the server. e.g. Rx.js is pretty useful in node.js" -- Demis Bellot. http://twitter.com/demisbellot/status/22825599620
[19:56] _announcer: Twitter: "@Ben_Hall nope, spent 4 hours this afternoon hacking on node.js and wondering why we can't do it every day..." -- Matt Jackson. http://twitter.com/mwjacks0n/status/22825654754
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[19:56] V1: maushu: It probably has something to do with rauchg_ 's socket io. giving an error and weird ECONNECT's : http://gist.github.com/562838
[19:57] maushu: Hmmm.
[19:57] V1: I have no clue where the ECONNRESET 's are coming from
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[19:57] maushu: I think I had that before.
[19:57] rauchg_: uhm
[19:58] maushu: ^ Totally his fault.
[19:58] V1: It might be coming from Connect's static file serv, that is sending the WebSocket.swf.. As the it seems to be followed after a "flashsocket" transport
[19:58] V1: It's probably might fault, but I have no clue where it's comming from :p
[19:58] V1: The errors aren't that descriptive 
[19:59] rauchg_: .connection seems to be an instance of ServerResponse for some reason 
[19:59] rauchg_: what's the public path to the socket.io client ?
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[19:59] megana: gmail priority inbox!
[20:00] rauchg_: V1: by any chance, did you set the public path to /socket.io/ 
[20:00] V1: what public path?
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[20:00] rauchg_: io.setPath() 
[20:00] frank06: nolan_d: we use coffee -wc -o lib src/**/*.coffee
[20:00] V1: the io.setPath() i
[20:01] V1: that's set correctly to the server as the FlashSocket is working
[20:01] rauchg_: i see
[20:01] SubStack: is setPath also possible to set in the options hash?
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[20:02] rauchg_: no, because it's global 
[20:02] nolan_d: Ah, neat, didn't know you could use * and ** like that. Thanks.
[20:02] rauchg_: it's a web-socket-js constant
[20:02] rauchg_: WEB_SOCKET_LOCATION or sth
[20:02] SubStack: oh pesky globals
[20:03] SubStack: globals ruin everything >_<
[20:03] sschuermann: re
[20:04] V1: rauchg_: while i was working on Speedo, I did had to re-arrange the socket transport options inclusing in order to get it working in IE.
[20:04] rauchg_: V1: that shouldn't be the case anymore 
[20:04] V1: IE for some weird reason needs all flash socket related to be loaded on top.
[20:05] _announcer: Twitter: "#nodejs really rocks!" -- Arthur Gassner. http://twitter.com/agassner/status/22826230916
[20:06] V1: rauchg_: It caused random IE errors if I had it included at the bottom; http://twitpic.com/2jguvf/full
[20:06] rauchg_: with the latest ?
[20:06] V1: Depends on when you updated the latest ;P the code dates from sunday morning ;p
[20:07] rauchg_: V1: you should probably refresh it 
[20:07] V1: rauchg_: I can update it after the contest, but thanks for the heads up!
[20:08] rauchg_: np
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[20:08] V1: Will see if it resolves my issues as I will continue with Speedo development. My boss designed to sponsor me, so the next feature will be realtime user following :)
[20:09] rauchg_: beautiful 
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[20:21] bradleymeck_: *lessons in IE #513* if you really hate IE, wrap everything in a setTimeout(function(){...},0)
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[20:22] NodeNoughb: yo
[20:22] NodeNoughb: so how do I uncache a module and re-require it?
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[20:22] NodeNoughb: without getting the forked version
[20:23] bradleymeck_: forked version? im not sure i understand
[20:23] NodeNoughb: someone hacked node
[20:24] NodeNoughb: and added an uncache
[20:24] cloudhead: NodeNoughb: http://github.com/cloudhead/vows/blob/master/bin/vows#L282
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[20:24] NodeNoughb: cool
[20:24] NodeNoughb: that line you highluighted?
[20:24] cloudhead: aye
[20:25] bradleymeck_: cloudhead any chance vows can get a jsprofiler in it by default?
[20:25] benv: new -> open (working on?) -> needs review -> master -> deployed
[20:25] benv: oops
[20:25] cloudhead: bradleymeck_: possibly :) -- if I get a nice patch
[20:25] cloudhead: hehe
[20:26] bradleymeck_: aaah
[20:26] NodeNoughb: can you tell me in general what is going on there?
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[20:26] NodeNoughb: i don't have a path
[20:26] cloudhead: NodeNoughb: well, that line is all that should matter to you, `p` is the path of the module
[20:26] NodeNoughb: i have a local require
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[20:26] cloudhead: the path is whatever you passed to require()
[20:26] NodeNoughb: wow
[20:26] NodeNoughb: will try
[20:27] NodeNoughb: thanks
[20:27] cloudhead: bradleymeck_: although, I could probably easily add runtime information
[20:27] cloudhead: if that's what you mean
[20:27] bradleymeck_: not really, want to see what lines arent hit by tests
[20:27] cloudhead: totally diable
[20:28] cloudhead: doable*
[20:28] cloudhead: ahh
[20:28] cloudhead: you mean coverage
[20:28] cloudhead: not profiling
[20:28] bradleymeck_: yea, but jsprofiler has coverage i thought, meh, want both but coverage more
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[20:28] NodeNoughb: nah.  still got old version of module
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[20:29] NodeNoughb: fs.watchFile(path.join(__dirname, 'handlers.js'), function () { 	try { 	   sys.log('handlers.js changed'); 	   delete(require.main.moduleCache[path.join(__dirname, 'handlers')]); 	   handlers = require(path.join(__dirname, 'handlers')); 	} catch (e) { 		sys.log(sys.inspect(e)); 	} });
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[20:29] malte: Hey, on the prod env of http://streamie.org I'm experiencing a lot of CLOSE_WAIT connections, probably on Web-Socket connections. Is there anything I can easily do to fix this (and not run out of file descriptors)?
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[20:30] mjr_: malte: you can lower the timeout in your kernel if you like, but you should probably figure out what is causing them.
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[20:33] jkreeftmeijer: Hey everyone, I'm using socket.io and everything's goind fine
[20:33] saikat: rauchg_: i'm heading out, thanks for the advice.  i'll try to add in buffering later today, and for my purposes, the performance hit may not be bad enough.  also, what do you use to benchmark?  custom script?
[20:33] jkreeftmeijer: but somehow, when a friend of mine connects to the socket it crashes
[20:33] jkreeftmeijer: every time, in every browser
[20:34] gryzzly_: hey, does anybody know where npm stores installed packages?
[20:35] SubStack: npm config get root
[20:35] jkreeftmeijer: Here's the output when it crashes -> http://pastie.org/1134580
[20:35] gryzzly_: thanks!
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[20:38] bradleymeck_: uh oh, blew up inimino's parser w/ chained member (x.y.z)
[20:38] V1: Oh my colleges are assholes, they didn't even vote yet for my entry lol
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[20:39] maushu: V1, nothing surpasses swarmation!
[20:39] V1: ;D my unique connections are getting closer and closer maushu ;D
[20:39] maushu: ...wat?
[20:39] V1: leaderboard.no.de :p
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[20:41] maushu: Wait.
[20:41] maushu: Aren't you cheating by using websockets on external websites?
[20:42] nefD: anyone have any thoughts on how to support some kind of user login persistence inside an express/socket.io app? i'm mainly thinking of a case in which the user refreshes the page or something and the socket connection is broken, but I dont wan't to have the user login again
[20:42] wink_: sessions? :P
[20:42] jesusabdullah: cookies?
[20:43] maushu: cookie
[20:43] maushu: The http upgrade sends a cookie, I believe.
[20:43] maushu: You need to send the cookie from the server *before* the http upgrade request though.
[20:43] jesusabdullah: maushu: I know I've asked you before, but I don't remember how it went so: Do you have source for nodejsbot somewhere that I can look at?
[20:43] jesusabdullah: (That was you, right?)
[20:43] maushu: You perv.
[20:44] jesusabdullah: rawr
[20:44] nefD: hrm. yeah, i was about to tease out the cookie through socket.io's on message event, but it seemed hacky.. client.request.headers.cookie.. i suppose its doable, though
[20:44] jesusabdullah: Oh, you tease! ^_~
[20:44] maushu: jesusabdullah, http://graphnode.com/stuff/ircbot.js
[20:44] jesusabdullah: thanks again maushu
[20:44] maushu: Watching unclothed bots.
[20:44] wattz: i hate judging my own work
[20:45] wink_: isnt that illegal?
[20:45] gryzzly_: if I have expressjs installed via npm and /usr/local/share/npm/bin extracted to PATH, what can be a reason for node not to see it when doing "var express = require('express');" ?
[20:45] maushu: Shes only some months old too!
[20:45] isaacs: gryzzly_: the npm "root" must be in the node path.
[20:45] wattz: what do you guys thing: http://cl.ly/5413fd54845671de8ae8
[20:45] isaacs: gryzzly_: npm config get root
[20:45] wattz: s/thing/think
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[20:46] jesusabdullah: wattz: Too many i's
[20:46] wattz: ...
[20:46] jesusabdullah: motiivation?
[20:46] wattz: -_-
[20:46] wattz: yeah
[20:46] wattz: motiivation.com
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[20:46] jesusabdullah: Oh, it's intentional? Okay
[20:46] wattz: err
[20:46] wink_: its a little hard to read
[20:46] jesusabdullah: *whew*
[20:46] jesusabdullah: What is motiivation.com going to be?
[20:46] wattz: lmao
[20:46] wattz: suppose to be motiivate.com
[20:46] jesusabdullah: well, either way
[20:47] wattz: it's just a little passion project of mine
[20:47] jesusabdullah: I'd say: It's cute, looks good, but might be a bit tall for a web page depending on where you use it
[20:47] V1: maushu: I'm not cheating by using websockets on external websites. Thats whole idea of my application. Someone can signup, get a API key and generate there own realtime heatmaps on there own site.
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[20:48] wattz: jesusabdullah: using to replace the landing page there now
[20:48] jesusabdullah: ah
[20:48] jesusabdullah: In that case, might be g2g
[20:48] wattz: current designs i was working on seem a bit dark for something uplifting
[20:48] gryzzly_: isaacs: it looks like it's in a PATH. http://pastebin.com/SH2YYH7m but I still get: "Error: Cannot find module 'express'"
[20:49] isaacs: gryzzly_: great, it's using /usr/local/lib/node.  now go into the node repl, and see what this says: require.paths
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[20:49] isaacs: gryzzly_: i'm guessing that /usr/local/lib/node isn't on the list
[20:50] isaacs: gryzzly_: because you used homebrew to install node
[20:50] gryzzly_: indeed
[20:50] isaacs: gryzzly_: also, your install of npm is very old.  i recommend removing whatever you installed with brew, and getting node and npm from source.
[20:50] gryzzly_: isaacs: you are right
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[20:51] gryzzly_: oh. okay. where it's recommended to store the source? just some folder in $home?
[20:51] gryzzly_: isaacs: big thanks!
[20:51] isaacs: gryzzly_: i keep hte source itself in ~/dev/node and ~/dev/npm but you can do whatever you want.  as long as you don't store the source code in /usr/local/lib or something crazy, it's fine
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[20:51] isaacs: gryzzly_: then just do "./configure && make install" for node, and "make" for npm
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[20:52] SlowCheetah: hey, does anyone know what's gonna happen with our joyent smartPlatform instances after nodeKO voting is over?
[20:52] gryzzly_: isaacs: thanks again
[20:53] isaacs: gryzzly_: n[
[20:53] isaacs: np
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[20:54] V1: mape: who did you bribe to the first in 3 categories ;D
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[20:54] mape: V1: None that I know of :P
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[20:55] V1: visnup: my collegue just found major bug in the voting system that allows him to vote and revote without having to validate
[20:55] visnup: V1: can you describe it?
[20:56] V1: you submit a vote, and you automatically get logged in, if you edit you vote the old one will become valid. It was something like that
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[20:58] V1: visnup: It seems like the e-mail validation isn't required at all.
[20:59] visnup: checking
[20:59] V1: oki, 
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[21:00] V1: After bribing most of my colleges with beer they finally voted lol
[21:00] visnup: what's the automatically logging in part?
[21:00] inimino: bradleymeck_ ⋱ Oh, really?
[21:00] bradleymeck_: yesh
[21:01] inimino: 
ACTION will investigate

[21:01] bradleymeck_: im at around 60% done rerendering ast to string
[21:02] drmark: Aloha all! Can someone please make a suggestion where I might find a good javascript person to help me with a project? It will probably be two weeks of work or so, with options to continue after that time. I have asked my circle of friends to no avail.
[21:03] blowery: circle of friends is the new buzzword
[21:04] bradleymeck_: is this paid?
[21:04] drmark: yes
[21:04] drmark: blowery, is it really? I had no idea. I have been in my cave too long ;)
[21:05] drmark: I am a good ruby person, but need help with the JS
[21:05] mde: "I queried my social graph ..." :)
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[21:05] drmark: well, I trust my friends, so it made sense for me to start there first :)
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[21:05] nex3: tjholowaychuk: ping
[21:05] drmark: I usually just learn it myself, but I am a little short on time (and overworked)
[21:06] tjholowaychuk: nex3: pong
[21:06] drmark: bradleymeck_ it is paid
[21:06] nex3: There seems to be an infinite-loop bug in jade
[21:06] nex3: If you start a line with a parenthesis, it never terminates
[21:06] drmark: I am not to proud to admit when I need help
[21:07] tjholowaychuk: nex3: like a(...) (click me)   ?
[21:07] nex3: No, like just (click me)
[21:07] nex3: Oh
[21:07] nex3: Right
[21:07] nex3: I need to start it with |
[21:07] nex3: :p
[21:07] nex3: But still
[21:07] tjholowaychuk: nex3: I need to add context to the lexer, so that it is not considered an attr tok
[21:07] nex3: Annoying to have it loop
[21:08] tjholowaychuk: no i agree, it is a bug
[21:08] tjholowaychuk: a quick solution would be to scan \(
[21:08] tjholowaychuk: as a literal
[21:09] nex3: Also: http://gist.github.com/562955
[21:09] nex3: That produces "<a>foo </a>bar"
[21:09] nex3: I would expect "<a>foo</a> bar"
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[21:11] tjholowaychuk: nex3: added a comment
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[21:15] gryzzly_: isaacs: just cloned git repo of npm, but when I run "make dev" it returns "Makefile:20: *** missing separator.  Stop."
[21:15] V1: Yeah' i'm going home and to bed. Late night deadline sucks balls
[21:16] isaacs: gryzzly_: fixed. http://github.com/isaacs/npm/commit/b1ff39024ac9545be450fd49e7aea29e8e16d7bc
[21:16] isaacs: sorry
[21:16] V1: Congratulations on your 3 victories mape :D best solo, design, and completeness :P
[21:16] gryzzly_: isaacs: THANKS :-)
[21:17] jetienne: isaacs: nice patch :)à
[21:18] inimino: bradleymeck_ ⋱ is (a.b.c) enough to reproduce?
[21:18] bradleymeck_: ummm sec
[21:19] bradleymeck_: seems so
[21:19] inimino: ok
[21:20] gryzzly_: isaacs: npm ftw! everything's working now, thanks. express is being imported and and the app is running!
[21:20] inimino: bradleymeck_ ⋱ probably a bug in that LeftHandSideExpression case.
[21:21] bradleymeck_: im running through a lot of edge cases but thats the only flaw so far
[21:22] drmark: Aloha bradleymeck_ if you know of anyone, I need help with an augmented reality project using Javascript and webcams. I have fairly detailed requirements and it should be fairly straightforward for a good JS person. I expect to pay for the help. Thanks! Mark
[21:22] bradleymeck_: i dont know anyone w/ time just asked 3
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[21:23] drmark: No worries. Thanks!
[21:23] drmark: I figured asking the JSNode studs would be a likely place to find someone
[21:23] nex3: tjholowaychuk: Replied
[21:24] sschuermann: drmark: do you have any idea on the size of the project? 
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[21:25] sschuermann: days/weeks/months of work? 
[21:25] c4milo: ryah: ? 
[21:25] c4milo: ryah: ping 
[21:25] tjholowaychuk: nex3: ah, gotcha man. i will add that to the tests and see what i can do
[21:26] nex3: tjholowaychuk: I'm enjoying jade, but it really confuses me why ()-style attribute lists require commas
[21:26] nex3: It throws me every single time
[21:26] tjholowaychuk: nex3: I could probably support non-commas, but I just found it easier to read with them
[21:26] c4milo: I'm pretty sure that sys.pump when  it's used for copy files,  doesn't close some of the file descriptors 
[21:27] tjholowaychuk: sometimes less is not more, but that one is totally up for debate
[21:27] nex3: Readability is very subjective, indeed
[21:27] nex3: But believe me, we (the Haml implementors) put a huge amount of thought and debate into the syntax for ()
[21:27] nex3: And our conclusion was that being similar to HTML was the most important thing
[21:28] tjholowaychuk: true
[21:28] nex3: That's what bugs me about it, not that it's not as concise
[21:28] nex3: Just that it's *almost* HTML, until it's not
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[21:29] tjholowaychuk: i think that would be fine for simple things like (id='foo' checked) but for larger values or expressions it gets pretty hard to read IMO
[21:29] tjholowaychuk: without commas
[21:30] tjholowaychuk: partly because there is not a polished textmate syntax yet lol
[21:30] tjholowaychuk: s/partly/mostly/
[21:30] nex3: Well, another thing we did in Haml was let attribute lists flow over multiple lines
[21:30] nex3: Which makes the really long ones much, much easier to read
[21:31] tjholowaychuk: yeah that would be awesome, it is unfortunately that we have to typeof foo === 'undefined' all the time w/ jade
[21:31] JimBastard: would any judges who wants to promote testing in nodejs vote for our project? with an hour or two to go we are trailing by a very slim margin for the utility category. the leading team had more judges vote on their stuff, so they have a higher weighted score. 
[21:32] tjholowaychuk: JimBastard: which one is above?
[21:32] sschuermann: JimBastard: What are oyu pointing out to? 
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[21:33] JimBastard: tjholowaychuk: we are being edged out by, http://nodeknockout.com/teams/prague-js . seems like a good project, but i feel ours has more long lasting utility 
[21:33] JimBastard: i wouldnt want someone to vote for us without looking at both projects objectively
[21:33] JimBastard: we are, http://nodeknockout.com/teams/the-nyc-nodejitsu-ninjas
[21:34] callen: JimBastard: if I give you a gun, will you start shooting people who complain about javascript's type system?
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[21:34] JimBastard: callen: for 5 star votes right now, ill do just about anything
[21:34] JimBastard: also, i have my own gun so just tell me who
[21:35] JimBastard: :p
[21:35] jesusabdullah: While I wish my own project was doing better, I really liked the idea of prenup
[21:35] callen: JimBastard: grumpy java bastard trying to learn js. driving me nuts.
[21:35] jesusabdullah: and wrath looked teh lamezor imo
[21:35] jesusabdullah: Hence, prenup gets my endorsement!
[21:35] lstoll: The voting is stressing me out
[21:36] JimBastard: much appreciated jesusabdullah 
[21:36] JimBastard: we are getting trolled by getify
[21:36] vnguyen: JimBastard: sorry i already voted ya up, otherwise i'd vote now :-\
[21:36] jesusabdullah: getify?
[21:36] JimBastard: thanks vnguyen 
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[21:37] JimBastard: yeah, he gave us a low score and is talking shit on our page
[21:37] sschuermann: I can vote 2morrow? 
[21:37] JimBastard: because he doesnt understand our project
[21:37] JimBastard: and hes a dick
[21:37] JimBastard: sschuermann: ends in 2 hours
[21:37] vnguyen: JimBastard: urs is really useful, I'm thinking about using it for the open source version of retrocrawl
[21:37] vnguyen: JimBastard: ya i saw a bunch of trolling on our page as well
[21:37] JimBastard: vnguyen: ive been working nonstop on it too
[21:37] sschuermann: dude, the api is ....... 
[21:37] sschuermann: not a sexy lady ;) 
[21:37] lstoll: Trolling for us as well - i think there's a fair amount of it going around
[21:37] sschuermann: this is for 22 yr olds ;) 
[21:37] JimBastard: sup sschuermann ?
[21:38] vnguyen: lstoll: which link is urs? I'll vote ya up; would you vote us up :D
[21:38] sschuermann: not my style of api 
[21:38] sschuermann: moment will give it a blitz vote ;) 
[21:38] sschuermann: u know the address where to send all the hookers and blow? 
[21:38] jesusabdullah: Holy shit
[21:38] jesusabdullah: JimBastard: That guy's a douchebag
[21:39] JimBastard: lol what you talking about sschuermann 
[21:40] sschuermann: the wraths api style: not my thing 
[21:40] sschuermann: i vote for you, you send me hookers and blow ;) 
[21:41] jesusabdullah: I just voted for them
[21:41] jesusabdullah: I actually avoided it before because I didn't really "get" their app
[21:41] jesusabdullah: Didn't want to downvote due to a mere case of "different strokes"
[21:41] jesusabdullah: but I looked at it again, and
[21:41] jesusabdullah: yeah
[21:41] jesusabdullah: voted for them too
[21:41] JimBastard: thank sschuermann !
[21:42] jesusabdullah: JimBastard: I was talking about the guy that gave you one-stars
[21:42] JimBastard: jesusabdullah: lol yeah, fuck that guy
[21:42] JimBastard: no one likes him
[21:42] jesusabdullah: hah
[21:43] creationix: JimBastard: I don't understand either, he's normally a pretty nice guy
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[21:44] jesusabdullah: I just read over the votes for my entry
[21:44] jesusabdullah: Man everyone was really nice
[21:44] JimBastard: creationix: ive heard a lot of thigns about him, who knows
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[21:45] SubStack: jesusabdullah: it's hard to communicate the innovation part without the source code too
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[21:45] SubStack: 
ACTION is hacking on some more dnode improvements in preparation for goggles ^_^

[21:45] jesusabdullah: Yeah, I agree with you SubStack. It's hard to get across how cool dnode is if you're not using it
[21:45] JimBastard: creationix: would you be willing to look at our entry and the one we are neck and neck with? rate each one objectively? im sure you are uber busy, thanks either way 
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[21:46] tjholowaychuk: if you had generated assertions it would have been more interesting
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[21:47] JimBastard: tjholowaychuk: thats like < 2 hours of work on kyuri, check out what index zero did last night, we are getting 100% gherkin compliance before we can finish the vows template
[21:47] JimBastard: http://github.com/nodejitsu/kyuri
[21:47] creationix: JimBastard: actually I just read the judging rules again and I'm not supposed to vote for people I know,  that's going to be a lot of people
[21:47] JimBastard: we will add that asap
[21:47] JimBastard: creationix: i figured that much, fair enough
[21:47] creationix: JimBastard: to be fair, I don't think Kyle was trolling
[21:48] JimBastard: tjholowaychuk: why didnt http://nodeknockout.com/teams/prague-js use expresso or vows? did they use expresso?
[21:48] JimBastard: or did they role their own testing sytnax?
[21:50] creationix: JimBastard: you should point to the knockout tag url http://github.com/nodejitsu/kyuri/tree/knockout in your description since you have been working on it since the competition
[21:50] creationix: looks cool though
[21:50] JimBastard: creationix: i did, its in there
[21:50] JimBastard: creationix: i explained we have frozen tags
[21:50] JimBastard: i have two links and a paragraph
[21:50] creationix: JimBastard: you have one to http://github.com/nodejitsu/kyuri
[21:51] creationix: same thing for prenup
[21:51] JimBastard: creationix: read the whole thing :-\
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[21:52] JimBastard: also, to keep things fair we created knockout tags a few minutes before the contest ended!  http://github.com/nodejitsu/kyuri/tree/knockout  http://github.com/nodejitsu/prenup/tree/knockout
[21:52] Zuardi: JimBastard: nice logo! (kyuri) looks useful too :)
[21:52] creationix: JimBastard: not a big deal, just saying that people scanning over the text will click the links and see the wrong code
[21:52] JimBastard: creationix: if people cant read the whole description, then they arent good judges
[21:52] JimBastard: :-\
[21:53] creationix: hey, is that a personal attack!
[21:53] creationix: ;)
[21:53] JimBastard: Zuardi: thanks man! we could really use a couple more utility votes 
[21:53] JimBastard: we are soo close
[21:53] JimBastard: 5 stars!
[21:53] tjholowaychuk: lol
[21:53] Zuardi: JimBastard: sure thing! let me review that (btw, I could use some innovation ones :P)
[21:54] bradleymeck_: inimino, is there a place i can send you a testing string that should hit virtually every parse case, (almost done w/ that)
[21:55] inimino: bradleymeck_ ⋱ That would be great, sure, you can just edit it directly on my server.
[21:55] gryzzly_: can I intsall mongodb-native with npm?
[21:56] bradleymeck_: 
ACTION goes to dig up that link

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[21:56] inimino: bradleymeck_ ⋱ Maybe under here: http://boshi.inimino.org/3box/PanPG/corpus/javascript/
[21:57] JimBastard: ahaha tjholowaychuk you dick. thanks for voting for the other guys lol
[21:57] tjholowaychuk: JimBastard: im doing yours too dont worry
[21:57] tjholowaychuk: writing up my thoughts
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[21:57] inimino: bradleymeck_ ⋱ just pick a name, and go to http://boshi.inimino.org/3box/PanPG/corpus/javascript/foo.ed
[21:58] JimBastard: well, we came close to winning utility
[21:58] JimBastard: ohh well
[21:58] JimBastard: maybe next year
[21:58] JimBastard: i should have just done a useless game or a closed sources SaAS
[21:58] vnguyen: gryzzly_: npm install mongodb
[21:58] benv: lol
[21:59] zemanel: can you vote http://nodeknockout.com/teams/celestial-being ? :P
[21:59] gryzzly_: vnguyen: so I don't need mongodb-native thing?
[21:59] vnguyen: gryzzly_:  nah, `npm install mongodb`  refers to mongodb-native
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[22:00] gryzzly_: vnguyen: thanks!
[22:00] sschuermann: tjholowaychuk: any way to implement delete HTTP in express.js via app.del or smth like that ? 
[22:01] sschuermann: 
ACTION writes a REST server 

[22:01] tjholowaychuk: sschuermann: yup, it's app.del() like you mention :)
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[22:01] sschuermann: maybe  i had a old version on osx ;) 
[22:03] c4milo: is marco rogers here ? 
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[22:08] c4milo: s/marco/mikeal/i 
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[22:08] mikeal: yes
[22:08] mikeal: there is also a marco rogers 
[22:08] c4milo: ahah yeah 
[22:08] mikeal: he's polotek
[22:08] c4milo: it's confusing :P 
[22:08] c4milo: aha 
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[22:09] c4milo: is there any reason to have not fs.sendfile documented in nodejs.org  ? 
[22:10] inimino: c4milo ⋱ It's broken.
[22:10] mikeal: completely?
[22:10] mikeal: i thought it was workign on linux?
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[22:11] c4milo: inimino: what is wrong with it ? 
[22:11] JimBastard: thanks for tanking us tjholowaychuk  :-)
[22:12] inimino: c4milo ⋱ I don't know, I used it a while ago and it worked but had some ugly edge cases, so I stopped using it.
[22:12] c4milo: :s
[22:12] inimino: c4milo ⋱ It returns errors in some cases, and catching them was ugly, IIRC.
[22:13] tjholowaychuk: JimBastard: how did i tank you its just one vote
[22:13] c4milo: I'm reading the code and it seems ok 
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[22:13] JimBastard: tjholowaychuk: you gave us the lowest utility vote of all the judge votes we got. judge votes are heavily weighted, brought our utility score way down 
[22:13] JimBastard: its cool, you are entitled to your vote
[22:14] c4milo: sendfile (native on solaris, linux, hp-ux, freebsd, emulated everywehere else). hum in OSX is emulated then. 
[22:14] jamescarr_: hey I was curious... do most of you feel you always put your express configuration setup in some config.js in every project???
[22:14] jamescarr_: I almost always do... 
[22:14] inimino: c4milo ⋱ It did work when I used it, but I think you have to try again when it doesn't send the whole file in the first request, or something.
[22:15] jacquesc: thinking about moving from heroku to no.de right after the competition
[22:15] EyePulp: 
ACTION is starting to see why anonymous voting is considered an important aspect in elections. =P

[22:15] pquerna: c4milo: sendfile exists on osx >=10.5
[22:15] JimBastard: we were neck and neck, but its over now
[22:15] tjholowaychuk: jamescarr_: I think that is less common than it should be
[22:15] jacquesc: i think we made a huge mistake in heroku. its been crapping out all day
[22:15] Zuardi: JimBastard: done
[22:15] jacquesc: anyne have good/bad experiences with no.de?
[22:15] jacquesc:  is it easy to set up?
[22:15] tjholowaychuk: jamescarr_: but some apps are tiny / one file
[22:16] pquerna: honestly they shouldn't let particpants vote though.
[22:16] JimBastard: thanks Zuardi !
[22:16] jamescarr_: JimBastard, that sucks
[22:16] JimBastard: pquerna: we shouldnt get too upset about the voting, its nothing too serious
[22:16] c4milo: pquerna: http://software.schmorp.de/pkg/libeio.html is what they said 
[22:16] EyePulp: is no.de available for production use now? I thought it was closed beta (but I'm a bit thick)
[22:16] JimBastard: pquerna: there is no way they can make it fair
[22:16] jacquesc: EyePulp: that might be the case :-(
[22:16] jamescarr_: our app tanked mostly because we never bothered to make it cross browser compatible. ;)
[22:16] pquerna: JimBastard: i'm not the one harrasing jduges :)
[22:17] bradleymeck_: inimino http://boshi.inimino.org/3box/PanPG/corpus/javascript/test (should cover most of your bases if not all)
[22:17] JimBastard: i know who you are!
[22:17] jamescarr_: most people couldnt even get it to work
[22:17] JimBastard: :p
[22:17] JimBastard: im not harassing judges
[22:17] JimBastard: i asked people to look at our project and rank it objectively
[22:17] JimBastard: they did
[22:17] jamescarr_: for some reason I completely assumed Chrome from the dev channel was mostly what latest browsers had ;)
[22:17] JimBastard: and we lost
[22:17] JimBastard: so thats that
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[22:18] benv: jimbastard: which is yours?
[22:18] JimBastard: im not one to hold a grudge over something soo stupid
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[22:18] JimBastard: benv: http://nodeknockout.com/teams/the-nyc-nodejitsu-ninjas
[22:18] benv: ah
[22:18] inimino: bradleymeck_ ⋱ cool, thanks
[22:18] jamescarr_: I dont mind losing... the weekend was pretty fun
[22:18] JimBastard: yeah for sure
[22:18] JimBastard: and our projects are long lasting, so ill be working on these for a while
[22:19] JimBastard: gonna try to not get bummed out by not winning anything
[22:19] inimino: 
ACTION will add it to the tests

[22:19] bradleymeck_: eep almost forgot goto
[22:19] JimBastard: and push through, and try to get a stable version
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[22:19] JimBastard: :-\
[22:19] inimino: 
ACTION really wishes we had goto

[22:19] bradleymeck_: we have terribadto
[22:19] inimino: it would actually make some generated code a lot cleaner
[22:20] bradleymeck_: just jump to start or end of loop :(
[22:20] benv: if anyone's still voting, appreciate feedback: http://nko-team-discovery-channel.heroku.com/
[22:20] JimBastard: inimino: http://gist.github.com/443256
[22:20] JimBastard: there you go
[22:20] bradleymeck_: parsers and state machines love goto, idc what you say
[22:20] Zuardi: I dont mind losing at all! the weekend was crazy! I would just mind losing without borrowing time from the experts to review our entry (since that's one of the top selling points to me), my team got 6 expert reviews, and I am totally happy :)
[22:20] jamescarr_: JimBastard, you kind of made me laugh though, messaging me like 5 minutes before the deadline asking for deployment help with joyent :)
[22:20] JimBastard: benv i love that name!
[22:20] bradleymeck_: jim it still only goes to start and end of block :(
[22:20] JimBastard: :p
[22:20] bradleymeck_: what i reaaaally want is "break 2" (jump out 2 blocks)
[22:21] inimino: Yeah, I use labeled break and continue a lot.
[22:21] jamescarr_: another good one was that team that had large text on their landing page "We have more done that it looks like we just dont have any view yet"
[22:21] benv: jimbastard: heh, thanks
[22:21] inimino: but there is no substitute for goto :-)
[22:21] benv: btw, i feel your pain re: some judging points ... i'm trying to hold back the bitterness :(
[22:21] inimino: 
ACTION afks

[22:21] EyePulp: JimBastard: I the real measure of loss or success is whether your project gets traction going forward, and proves its worth as a new tool for folks.  Winning the KO has little to do with the long term value of what you built.
[22:21] EyePulp: JimBastard: my two cents =)
[22:22] Zuardi: EyePulp: +1
[22:22] tjholowaychuk: ^ ditto
[22:22] sschuermann: you guys anyway declassed a lot of startups with the number of ideas generated by the workshop 
[22:22] jamescarr_: anyhow, time for me to hack at my amqp node.js + grails + java integration stuff
[22:22] tjholowaychuk: like swarmation lol people are still playing that damn thing
[22:23] jamescarr_: tjholowaychuk, lol... its fun
[22:23] jamescarr_: that and the one mape made
[22:23] sschuermann: there are people looking for vc with stuff like that one on the ko page 
[22:23] mape: No voting for Eich? 
[22:23] jamescarr_: I sent a link to mape
[22:23] tjholowaychuk: JimBastard: i put it up to 4/5 stars, didnt know judges had more of an effect
[22:23] EyePulp: swarmation makes my macbook fan spin up to near-takeoff.
[22:23] jamescarr_: mape's app to a few people... they were still playing a couple hours later :)
[22:23] JimBastard: thanks tjholowaychuk , much appreciated 
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[22:24] JimBastard: we really want to get these to be useful community tools
[22:24] mape: jamescarr_: :) Really fun in groups where the people know eachother
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[22:25] jamescarr_: a friend of mine asked me where I think node.js will really take off, where will it really thrive...
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[22:25] EyePulp: jamescarr: how'd you answer?
[22:25] jamescarr_: based on the results of node KO, I said I guess online games :)
[22:26] EyePulp: heh
[22:26] jamescarr_: online multi-player games
[22:26] jamescarr_: like farmville and such nonsense :)
[22:26] bradleymeck_: well my weekend just freed up anyone up for a hackathon on saturday to get us a basic gui/input/audio toolkit binding ripped out (sfml is my vode)
[22:26] mape: Any info on when the results are announced?
[22:26] jamescarr_: dont worry mape, you won
[22:26] jamescarr_: some place
[22:27] mape: jamescarr_: Not worried, just fun to see all the winners :)
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[22:29] jamescarr_: does the heroku accounts we got stay? or do we lose them and only the leet ROR devs keep their beta previews? :)
[22:30] JimBastard: LOL HOLY SHIT
[22:30] JimBastard: indexzero got mad, ive never seen him do that
[22:30] jamescarr_: :)
[22:30] JimBastard: nodeknockout drama!
[22:31] vnguyen: jamescarr: u should still be able to use heroku beta accounts that u have, idk about nko accounts tho
[22:31] jamescarr_: cool
[22:32] mape: JimBastard: Someone touched him?
[22:32] JimBastard: mape: lol naaah
[22:32] JimBastard: i think we are conceding defeat 
[22:32] JimBastard: aye
[22:32] JimBastard: I DECLAR, DEFEAT
[22:32] JimBastard: I DECLARE, DEFEAT
[22:32] jamescarr_: tjholowaychuk, is there anyway to get access to the underlying http server in express?
[22:32] JimBastard: there we go
[22:33] tjholowaychuk: jamescarr_: express.Server inherits from http.Server
[22:33] softdrink: What's a good word for "a group of machines"?
[22:33] mape: 
ACTION throws BDD around

[22:34] jamescarr_: heh
[22:34] jamescarr_: I'm speaking about BDD too much this fall
[22:34] JimBastard: softdrink: cloud?
[22:34] jamescarr_: Next year: no more presentations on BDD
[22:34] jamescarr_: unless I'm at an agile conference
[22:34] Zuardi: softdrink: cluster? are they connected?
[22:34] JimBastard: softdrink: network?
[22:34] JimBastard: softdrink: cluster is good
[22:34] softdrink: cluster might work
[22:34] maushu: Back.
[22:35] JimBastard: maushuhu
[22:35] russell_h: softdrink: a herd
[22:35] maushu: huhuhuhu
[22:35] softdrink: basically my web apps look like this:    (collection of machines [application]) > machines (pages) > devices (complex controls) > components (simple controls)
[22:36] bradleymeck_: softdrink: a digital networked topology of hosts
[22:37] bradleymeck_: dumb ecma ppl saying normal js is not "normal" its "non-strict"
[22:37] softdrink: 
ACTION googles for collective nouns

[22:38] bradleymeck_: a gaggle, a herd, a school, a flock, a pack, a family, a forest, a cornucopia?
[22:38] softdrink: wtf.  group of monks = "abomination"
[22:39] bradleymeck_: sweeet
[22:39] softdrink: "a chin of beards" *headdesk*
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[22:41] softdrink: "a taint of tilapia"   *giggle*
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[22:42] softdrink: ooh.  a cog of robots
[22:43] jamescarr_: quick question .. to use socket.io clientside do I just put socket.io.js whever I put my client side js, or do I need the other files too???
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[22:43] softdrink: an arrogance of hipsters lol
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[22:44] justin_: jamescarr_: you need the other files too
[22:44] jamescarr_: nvm, figured it out
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[22:48] dgathright: Feel like you are missing unicorns in your Node app? Have no fear, Cornify is here!  npm install cornify
[22:49] dgathright: (you knew a node port was eventually coming)
[22:49] maushu: The world is over.
[22:50] maushu: Well, at least it's going to end in an async manner.
[22:50] dgathright: no my friend, the world is just beginning.  Node has officially been blessed by the unicorns.
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[22:51] jamescarr_: so :javascript doesnt generate CDATA escaped html?
[22:52] dgathright: Next up, embed it into the node DB libs to run on random when writing to your DB, so we can all get random corns in our data.  Who doesn't want that?
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[23:00] bradleymeck_: anyone else want to try to find a test case not in http://boshi.inimino.org/3box/PanPG/corpus/javascript/test
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[23:01] jamescarr_: finally
[23:02] jamescarr_: got the surrounding infrastructure setup, time to see if I can communicate with rabbitmq over amqp
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[23:10] jamescarr_: anyone using node-amqp???
[23:10] jamescarr_: I'm slightly confused by it
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[23:16] jamescarr_: oh thats why
[23:16] jamescarr_: dammit
[23:16] jamescarr_: Connection.prototype.queue = function (name /* , options, openCallback */) {
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[23:23] zemanel: i made the top 10 :D
[23:23] jamescarr_: lucky bastard
[23:23] Zuardi: yay!
[23:23] jamescarr_: I ithink we're in the top 30
[23:23] wakawaka: top 10 of what?
[23:23] wakawaka: nodeko?
[23:23] jamescarr_: vote us up http://nodeknockout.com/teams/done-js :)
[23:24] jamescarr_: Will it stay up? I'd love to try and get it working cross browser
[23:24] Zuardi: DropNode was one of my favourites :)
[23:24] jamescarr_: which will require me to create a fake HTML5 File API
[23:25] jamescarr_: I was supposed to spend the whole day Sunday trying to hack some cross browser stuff together, got stuck trying to get binary files shared correctly
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[23:25] jamescarr_: heh, 3 of us were doing that I thin
[23:25] zemanel: nodeko
[23:25] jamescarr_: *think
[23:25] zemanel: jamescarr_ i will
[23:26] zemanel: done
[23:26] jamescarr_: I think the other thing we should have done was added some message that said "STAY ON THIS PAGE! FILE WILL BE UNSHARED IF YOU LEAVE!" :)
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[23:29] digitalspaghetti: anyone here using node-htmlparser?
[23:30] digitalspaghetti: i'm trying to get it to work with opening a http client, reading a page DOM and finding the title but it just refuses :(
[23:30] jamescarr_: I wish ry was here
[23:30] jamescarr_: I really want to use his amqp module for a presentation tuesday
[23:31] JimBastard: LOL GETIFY
[23:31] JimBastard: EVERYTIME
[23:31] JimBastard: hes too funny
[23:31] digitalspaghetti: either that, or can i use jquery on the backend so i can just pass it the DOM and parse it there?
[23:32] jamescarr_: I cannot figure out how to use his library to just drop a message on a queue
[23:32] jamescarr_: the example shows subscribing to a queue
[23:32] jamescarr_: but not publishing :(
[23:36] tmpvar: digitalspaghetti, is the markup hosed?
[23:36] jamescarr_: ah figured it out, need to use an exchange
[23:37] digitalspaghetti: tmpvar: afaik no, markup looks fine - i'm probably using node-htmlparser wrong
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[23:37] digitalspaghetti: but tbh i need to be able to support hosed markup too, the app will fetch any URL and I need to return the page title
[23:40] digitalspaghetti: to give you an idea, i'm trying to do something like this: http://pastebin.com/d3e1EwMX
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[23:44] digitalspaghetti: needs more node-beautifulsoup
[23:44] digitalspaghetti: i'm off to bed :(
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[23:44] jamescarr_: sheesh
[23:45] jamescarr_: I'm Fd
[23:56] mscdex: you're a file descriptor? :-D
[23:56] jamescarr_: yeah :)
[23:56] jamescarr_: I'm guessing ry's amqp module isnt complete?
[23:56] mscdex: no idea
[23:56] jamescarr_: or maybe I'm just completely daft and cannot figure out how to subscribe to a topic
[23:57] JimBastard: 2 minutes 45 seconds left!
[23:58] mscdex: blargh i forgot to vote this week
[23:58] mscdex: i did vote for one, but it wanted me to register or something :S
[23:58] mscdex: and i don't think i have openid
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[23:59] JimBastard: lol sc
[23:59] JimBastard: lol mscdex 
[23:59] jamescarr_: anywhosie, I think NodeCon 2011 should be held in the Windy City :)
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[23:59] jamescarr_: JimBastard, ding ding ding ding
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