[00:04] ashleydev: nice mde, that's really helpful
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[00:07] foobarfighter: if i want to print something to stderr do i have to use sys.debug? it seems to be prefixing my output with 'DEBUG:'
[00:07] mde: ashleydev: Glad we could help out.
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[00:07] mde: foobarfighter, aw, they let frigging anybody in here.
[00:08] foobarfighter: lol
[00:08] mde: :)
[00:08] foobarfighter: the rifraf has finally entered the kingdom
[00:08] mde: There goes the neighborhood.
[00:09] foobarfighter: man... it would be nice to have something like thor for node
[00:09] jesusabdullah: Quick! Time to find the next big thing!
[00:09] jesusabdullah: What's thor? :/
[00:09] mde: I think it's this: http://haskell.on-a-horse.org/
[00:09] SubStack: jesusabdullah: nah, you can just whine about how you were using node "before it was cool"
[00:09] foobarfighter: ACTION wishes he would have started groupon... thats the current big thing
[00:09] foobarfighter: $1million a day
[00:09] jesusabdullah: tssch
[00:10] jesusabdullah: EVERYONE KNOWS that news.ycombinator is where it's at
[00:10] foobarfighter: jesusabdullah: http://github.com/wycats/thor
[00:10] jesusabdullah: hmm
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[00:17] _announcer: Twitter: "@Viper007Bond The reason I'm asking is I thought of a really cool way to do it with a Evented Server (like Node.js)" -- Daniel Erickson. http://twitter.com/TechWraith/status/19950475505
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[00:26] foobarfighter: so mde theres no sys.warn or anything?
[00:29] mde: foobarfighter: I've only ever used puts and debug.
[00:29] mde: foobarfighter: Node just added the console methods, so if we all update we'll get those.
[00:30] foobarfighter: var console = require('console'); ?
[00:31] mde: No, it's actually a builtin, no more mechanically requiring crap.
[00:31] _announcer: Twitter: "I'm think I'm liking node.js, but I can't say for certain since the latest version is probably completely different than yesterday's." -- Bruce Spang. http://twitter.com/brucespang/status/19951313600
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[00:34] jamescarr: so what's new in the world of node.js today?
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[00:37] mde: jamescarr: Not a lotta, man. Just typing up some codez.
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[00:37] joshdulac: jamescarr: just finished watching ryan's google tech talk
[00:38] joshdulac: jamescarr: have you checked it out?
[00:38] jamescarr: it's queued up
[00:38] jamescarr: I'll get time tonight to watch it and another video
[00:39] jamescarr: although I wish google tech talks captioned their talks like TED does:(
[00:39] joshdulac: the middle is a repeat of the JS conference, so skimming through that ... its probably only 35-40 minutes long
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[00:40] _announcer: Twitter: "I'm starting to notice a worrying trend in node.js code: listen, listen, listen, listen agai and listen yet again... kind of hard to read :S" -- Luís Nabais. http://twitter.com/d3x7r0/status/19951863263
[00:42] SubStack: kind of /awesome/ to read, morelike
[00:42] jamescarr: going to start on payment-authorizenet tonight
[00:42] SubStack: (message passing)++
[00:42] SubStack: payment authorization!
[00:43] SubStack: jamescarr: that's the soft of thing that businesses do who are ready to launch!
[00:43] jamescarr: :)
[00:43] d3x7r0: SubStack, I love javascript as much as the next guy but too many callbacks start to get weird...
[00:43] SubStack: d3x7r0: well I do like haskell so there's that
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[00:44] d3x7r0: SubStack, never saw it actually... :P
[00:44] SubStack: debugging message passing through event emitters is great though since you can just throw in a .on()
[00:45] SubStack: that is, once you've figured out the flow
[00:45] d3x7r0: SubStack, I agree but I still haven't gotten the hang of writing code like that so I end up getting way to much function() in there
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[00:51] creationix: ok, my in-memory spatial database can insert about 900k records/sec, save a million record database to disk in 1second and do rectangle queries at about 18k/second
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[00:53] _announcer: Twitter: "Bryan Cantrill on joining Joyent: http://is.gd/dTUqu #nodejs #cloud #devops" -- Jeff Waugh. http://twitter.com/jdub/status/19952712634
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[00:58] d3x7r0: coolness, got another bit of my php code ported to node, one step closer to full javascript on the backend and frontend :D
[00:59] ashleydev: so i'm rewriting the parser in ejs... what's the fastest way to append to a string?
[01:00] ashleydev: given an ejs string "..." I am passing through it one char at a time and then adding to newEjsStr based on what I see in ejsStr
[01:00] ashleydev: how should I append to ejsStr w/o doing a memcopy of ejsStr?
[01:01] ashleydev: is it efficient to just build an array of chars and join them?
[01:03] SubStack: seems easy enough to build a test to figure that out experimentally
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[01:07] SubStack: my results:
[01:07] SubStack: node> var xs = []; for (var i = 0; i < 10000000; i++) xs[i]='a'; var t0 = new Date; xs.join(''); (new Date() - t0) / 1000
[01:07] SubStack: 1.292
[01:07] SubStack: seems fast enough
[01:09] d3x7r0: what about using variable += char? slower?
[01:09] d3x7r0: (it probably is btw)
[01:10] SubStack: yes
[01:10] SubStack: node> var xs = ''; var t0 = new Date; for (var i = 0; i < 10000000; i++) xs+='a'; (new Date() - t0) / 1000
[01:10] SubStack: 2.858
[01:10] SubStack: interesting results
[01:12] SubStack: whoa, buffers are way slow for this
[01:12] SubStack: node> var xs = new Buffer(10000000); var t0 = new Date; for (var i = 0; i < 10000000; i++) xs[i]='a'; (new Date() - t0) / 1000
[01:12] SubStack: 8.342
[01:13] ashleydev: looks like the best way is join...
[01:13] SubStack: well, of the methods shown
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[01:15] SubStack: maybe v8 knows how to optimize joins specially
[01:15] jamescarr: good stuff
[01:15] SubStack: also the join example is somewhat different in that the result isn't used
[01:16] SubStack: ah but the results are the same if I assign to a var
[01:16] d3x7r0: how so? using a var instead of 'a'?
[01:17] SubStack: I mean just var ys = xs.join('')
[01:17] SubStack: so that v8 isn't optimizing away the unused expression
[01:17] d3x7r0: ohh... I see
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[01:17] jamescarr: there's no bind in v8?
[01:18] aheckmann: jamescarr: you mean Function.proto.bind?
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[01:20] jamescarr: yeah
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[01:20] jamescarr: where it be!? :)
[01:21] aheckmann: grab node HEAD
[01:21] aheckmann: ryah just pull it in this afternoon
[01:21] aheckmann: it was buggy before
[01:21] jamescarr: oh yeah!
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[01:21] jamescarr: I just reached a usecase where it might be handy
[01:22] aheckmann: sweet
[01:24] d3x7r0: btw is there a v8 equivalent of the Mozilla Developers Network? I mean somewhere to check documentation for builtin functions in V8?
[01:25] aheckmann: d3x7r0: not sure. it would be nice
[01:25] jamescarr: aheckmann, saw you did a bunch of pushes on node-gd
[01:25] aheckmann: yup
[01:25] jamescarr: keep meaning to see how its looking
[01:25] aheckmann: got some docs brewing
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[01:25] aheckmann: i've taken it about as far as i want to
[01:25] aheckmann: maybe add the draw method
[01:25] aheckmann: we'll see
[01:26] jamescarr: does it just do resizing or can you actually generate images with text and such?
[01:26] aheckmann: contributions welcome
[01:26] aheckmann: the draw method handles text and shapes etc
[01:26] aheckmann: that's not in yet
[01:26] aheckmann: image generation is completely missing really
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[01:27] d3x7r0: node-gd? nice! That'll come in handy for me actually since I'm doing a mobile ui and sending 1280px wide pictures to a phone probably isn't a good idea
[01:27] aheckmann: haha
[01:28] d3x7r0: Some are 1080px even... people like HD on the desktop :P
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[01:29] aheckmann: d3x7r0: take it for a spin and let me know how it works for you
[01:29] aheckmann: http://github.com/aheckmann/gm
[01:30] d3x7r0: aheckmann, it's gonna take a few days. I'm still doing the basics (currently I'm running on php :S)
[01:30] aheckmann: yeah, np
[01:30] aheckmann: node > php
[01:30] aheckmann: :D
[01:31] d3x7r0: yeah, I only did the code in php in a hurry to get a sort of proff of concept working
[01:31] aheckmann: i'm using express for that type of thing now
[01:32] d3x7r0: and I was using a shared hosting account back then, now I have my server so I can use whatever I want (aka node :D )
[01:33] aheckmann: yay!
[01:36] ryah: wow
[01:36] aheckmann: ?
[01:37] ryah: http://dtrace.org/blogs/bmc/2010/07/30/hello-joyent/
[01:40] d3x7r0: js over a 9600 baud TTY? UOU! That's awesome in ways I can't even begin to describe :|
[01:44] aheckmann: nice article
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[01:44] ryah: mjr and i spent the whole afternoon dtracing a problem in node :)
[01:45] aheckmann: how did it go?
[01:46] ryah: conclusion: osx sucks
[01:46] ryah: not a good server operating system
[01:47] aheckmann: haha
[01:48] d3x7r0: doesn't really surprise me since it isn't made for that task anyway :)
[01:48] aheckmann: yeah, i think osx and i think designers
[01:49] ryah: i think osx and i think crap
[01:49] guybrush: how do you guys think about lowercase class-names? i mean this is just about "conventions" - but i really like to have everything lower/camelcase. even Objects with prototyped functions, member-vars and so on
[01:49] aheckmann: haha
[01:49] aheckmann: i alway capitalize constructors, unless they're special
[01:49] joshdulac: guybrush: everyone has their own coding style, i dont think any one is right/wrong
[01:50] joshdulac: guybrush: just make sure you document it in the README
[01:50] aheckmann: and my special i mean there's a check like: if (this instanceof whatever) return new this()
[01:50] aheckmann: haha
[01:50] aheckmann: ryah: so why use osx?
[01:50] ryah: forced on me
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[01:50] jamescarr: ryah, THANK YOU :)
[01:51] jamescarr: ryah, I always feel like a pariah in dev communities since I'm the only one not using OSX :)
[01:51] _announcer: Twitter: "New listened # nodeJS from @ temanmacet, wondering could digabungin with # mongodb, equally json, how to @ lynxluna, okay ga?" [id] -- Ifnu Bima. http://twitter.com/ifnubima/status/19956355569
[01:51] joshdulac: was that tweet in english?
[01:51] jamescarr: and when I speak at conferences, I'm the only one using a laptop with linux or freebsd. Everyone else has a mac ;)
[01:52] d3x7r0: jamescarr, don't worry, I fell the same way :P
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[01:52] ryah: jamescarr: yes, digusting isn't it?
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[01:52] jamescarr: ryah, Think Different indeed ;)
[01:52] d3x7r0: It's weird beeing the guy running linux when everyone around you has a half-eaten apple glowing on your face :P
[01:53] aheckmann: id never pay for a mac
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[01:57] joshdulac: anyone good with regex in JS?
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[02:04] mape: ryah: wow, he is really liking nodejs :)
[02:05] _announcer: Twitter: "@ryah #nodejs Node.js: JavaScript on the Server: unbelievable efficiency. Keep it up Ryan. http://youtu.be/F6k8lTrAE2g" -- supercobra. http://twitter.com/supercobra/status/19957286049
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[02:08] ryah: !tweet @supercobra thanks
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[02:18] _announcer: Twitter: "Fascinating: Ryan Dahl introduces node.js, a server written in C and Javascript (asynchronous processes!) http://bit.ly/cLowOB" -- Ben Buckman. http://twitter.com/thebuckst0p/status/19958109902
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[02:37] jamescarr: sweet
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[02:39] mscdex: ACTION shakes a fist at apple
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[02:39] bradleymeck2: i agree mscdex
[02:40] mscdex: they only have line-in jacks!
[02:40] _announcer: Twitter: "@bga_ @diegoperini also checkout http://github.com/subtlegradient/Sheet.js An implementation of the CSSOM for all JS envs, including Node.js" -- Thomas Aylott. http://twitter.com/SubtleGradient/status/19959578795
[02:40] mscdex: luckily my server machine is next to it, so i'm using that as a preamp
[02:41] mscdex: heh
[02:41] mscdex: for my mic
[02:41] Apage43: eh
[02:42] Apage43: ACTION is an audio dork so I have proper equipment laying around =P
[02:42] mscdex: well, i don't personally own a mac, so i've never had such silly problems
[02:43] Apage43: I didn't own a mac until about a month ago.
[02:43] Tobsn: ACTION afk - starcraft2 :D
[02:43] sh1mmer: I am _so_ glad to be home
[02:44] Tobsn: i knew it when i saw the gamestop right in front of my car that my social life will end in 30 minutes.
[02:44] Tobsn: ;)
[02:44] jamescarr: Array.__proto__.bind ??
[02:44] jamescarr: hmmm
[02:44] Tobsn: and this will be the first time that i use the cd rom in my imac.
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[02:47] _announcer: Twitter: "@ Ifnubima Iya dah bwt nodejs no driver. Date pake aja." [id] -- Didiet. http://twitter.com/lynxluna/status/19960039302
[02:49] jamescarr: I think I'm going to try and learn jade
[02:49] sh1mmer: jade?
[02:52] jamescarr: yeah
[02:52] jamescarr: some alternative rendering engine for express
[02:52] jamescarr: as opposed to haml
[02:53] _announcer: Twitter: "@shojberg hey, are you still down to be my node.js design partner for node knockout? http://bit.ly/9BnN0M" -- technowürst. http://twitter.com/technoweenie/status/19960390673
[02:53] guybrush: mustache > *.tplEngine :p
[02:53] Tobsn: jamescarr, any benefits?
[02:53] Tobsn: did anyone ever benched those template engines
[02:54] jamescarr: Tobsn, I think tj did
[02:55] Tobsn: because in php i aways used blitz, which is not very known/common but its the fastest because its written in C and you load it as extension
[02:55] Tobsn: based on their benches its even faster than just mix code
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[02:56] jamescarr: I used to always use smarty
[02:56] Tobsn: me too, till i found out about blitz
[02:56] guybrush: isnt php a template-engine itself?
[02:56] Tobsn: http://alexeyrybak.com/blitz/blitz_en.html
[02:56] Tobsn: guybrush - thats called trash code
[02:56] Tobsn: :P
[02:56] Tobsn: or in the blitz bench they call it "PHP mess"§
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[02:57] Tobsn: oh i see, php mix code is actually a tiny bit faster
[02:57] guybrush: i used http://pear.php.net/package/HTML_Template_Flexy for some time
[02:59] guybrush: well Tobsn, i switched from smarty to pear-template-it to pear-template-flexy and finally i use php itself
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[03:00] guybrush: much easier to implement, though it might be little slower - its not the bottleneck
[03:00] Tobsn: well look into blitz
[03:00] Tobsn: its really super fast
[03:00] Tobsn: and its a nice engine
[03:01] guybrush: im using php when i want to get stuff very fast done, not to implement fastest ever programs
[03:02] guybrush: i guess templating your stuff with Mu is faster then blitz - and much cooler :p
[03:02] guybrush: *than
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[03:14] Tobsn: Mu?
[03:14] guybrush: http://github.com/raycmorgan/Mu
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[03:16] Tobsn: uh nice
[03:16] nuxusr: if i want to communicate with an http server that does a 100-continue (don't send body until it responds with the 100-continue).. what is the best way? The createClient / request doesn't send the headers (i tried request.write('')), it waits until you start sending body. Are my only options to do a low level stream?
[03:16] Tobsn: nuxusr, telnet? :P
[03:17] Tobsn: guybrush, how does that work with dynamic pages?
[03:18] nuxusr: i shouldn't say "only option", but is net.stream the best option if i want ssl support
[03:19] Tobsn: (no clue - never worked with 100)
[03:19] ryah: nuxusr: req.end()
[03:20] Tobsn: brb - SC2 is finished installing
[03:20] nuxusr: ryah: if you send req.end() doesn't that send the \r\n\rn end of request -- so you can't send the body?
[03:20] guybrush: Tobsn: like any other template-engine, fetch your data and render it
[03:20] Tobsn: but when does it compile than and what?
[03:20] ryah: nuxusr: 100-continue is a complete response.
[03:21] ryah: nuxusr: the client needs to resend the headers
[03:21] ryah: (eh - i think)
[03:21] guybrush: Tobsn: i dont understand your question, anyway i tend to client-side template-rendering since bandwith is expensive :p
[03:22] nuxusr: 100-continue is sent means you can go ahead and send the body
[03:22] Tobsn: hmm
[03:22] guybrush: i like the idea of only sending json
[03:22] Tobsn: i always wondered about that kind of stuff
[03:22] guybrush: especially when it comes to mobile-devices
[03:22] Tobsn: cause facebook is rendering most of their pages just by sending json
[03:22] Tobsn: but how would you do that? i mean you have to send some sort of structure
[03:23] Tobsn: or do you just build everything with JS?
[03:23] Tobsn: and if someone has no JS on hes just fucked
[03:23] bradleymeck2: tmpvar you about?
[03:23] guybrush: on the first request you send all templates
[03:23] inimino: nuxusr ⋱ Last time I looked you have to use the connection object and send the 100 Continue yourself
[03:24] bradleymeck2: tobsn look into jup
[03:24] guybrush: every other request just sends json, which gets rendered on the clientside - using the templates which are already stored in a clientside js-object
[03:24] nuxusr: http://webee.technion.ac.il/labs/comnet/netcourse/CIE/RFC/2068/72.htm
[03:24] nuxusr: i am the client
[03:24] bradleymeck2: also, ppl not running js are miniscule
[03:24] inimino: nuxusr ⋱ Eh, nevermind, I misread what you're doing.
[03:24] Tobsn: bradkey any other keyword to satisfy google?
[03:25] bradleymeck2: github , JUP
[03:25] nuxusr: basically i'm sending 5 gigabyte files up to a cloud server that gives you a 100-continue if you can go ahead and send the data... so you dont' end up sending the data if you're not permitted
[03:25] bradleymeck2: its a JSONML engine (JSML? i forget)
[03:25] nuxusr: i think i got it though net.stream though
[03:26] Tobsn: k
[03:27] Tobsn: http://github.com/hij1nx/JUP
[03:27] Tobsn: found it
[03:27] Tobsn: i like the logo haha
[03:27] ryah: huh
[03:27] Ned_: if someone has given me a patch http://gist.github.com/raw/467174/node-irc-0001-Added-new-option-secure-to-the-IRC-client-enabling-S.patch
[03:27] ryah: nuxusr: okay i was wrong
[03:27] Ned_: what's the "correct" way to apply it ?
[03:27] ryah: we should probably handle this inside now..
[03:27] ryah: node
[03:27] Ned_: git-apply seems to work, but it doesn't retain author/date
[03:28] nuxusr: ryah: maybe i'll request on the list a way to flush the headers out, in the meantime the request is simple enough net.stream should work (just a little verbose)
[03:29] Tobsn: oh my
[03:29] Tobsn: that is fuckin awesome
[03:29] Tobsn: btw. i dont get this:
[03:29] Tobsn: ["div", { "class": "{{someclass}}" }, ["div"], "content"] // Renders:
[03:29] Tobsn: {{someclass}} -> "foo" ?!
[03:29] ryah: do you send "HTTP/1.1 100 Continue\r\n\r\n"
[03:29] guybrush: JUP looks cool
[03:29] ryah: and then recv the body
[03:29] ryah: and then send the response?
[03:30] guybrush: i prefer http://github.com/janl/mustache.js for client-side template-rendering - since all my templates are mustache now :p
[03:30] Tobsn: yep JUP looks really really cool
[03:31] ryah: nuxusr: you should be able to flush with res.write('')
[03:32] _announcer: Twitter: "http://tinyurl.com/27utc7j (Node.js googletalk), the final Q & A session with reference to plurk is also in use Node.js http://plurk.com/p/6nkt3y" [zh-TW] -- Andy Chong. http://twitter.com/andycjw/status/19962976959
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[03:37] dannycoates: ryah: were you ever able to get node-inspector working?
[03:37] jamescarr: soh
[03:37] jamescarr: when using Object.create() to create objects, is there someway to default enumerable to true for each property??
[03:37] jamescarr: by default it's false so I have to define it for each one :(
[03:39] bradleymeck2: tobsn, the mustache style locals let you do templating, so you can cache the JSONML out of context
[03:40] bradleymeck2: jamescarr im not sure i understand
[03:40] bradleymeck2: you arent setting properties when you use obj.create
[03:41] bradleymeck2: oh, new syntax from when i read specs a while ago, mmmm
[03:42] jamescarr: yes. You might say "Why don't you just define them like normal people?" and I'll reply "because I have specific getters that perform calculations" :)
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[03:43] bradleymeck2: guess you could make a function to iterate, var x={...props...}; Object.keys(x).forEach(function(k){x[k].enumerable=false}); Object.create(proto,x)
[03:43] bradleymeck2: and I absolutely abuse property descriptors, so i understand
[03:44] bradleymeck2: node-inspector?
[03:45] dannycoates: a debugger gui im working on: http://github.com/dannycoates/node-inspector
[03:47] bradleymeck2: interesting
[03:48] cgcardona_androi: Dannycoates nice work
[03:48] bradleymeck2: ill dl in sec
[03:49] dannycoates: cgcardona_androi: thanks!
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[03:51] dannycoates: i think it'd be cool to pair it up with bespin somehow
[03:52] cgcardona_androi: Great idea
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[03:52] cgcardona_androi: cardona
[03:53] guybrush: dannycoates: nice!
[03:53] cgcardona_androi: nm
[03:53] jamescarr: when I f up using the node console, how can I escape from the ...
[03:53] jamescarr: I just want it to give up and try again
[03:53] bradleymeck2: ctrl z
[03:53] jamescarr: without breaking out of node
[03:53] bradleymeck2: oh
[03:53] dannycoates: .break i think
[03:54] jamescarr: thanks
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[03:58] _announcer: Twitter: "# debug nodejs in your browser with node inspector http://github.com/dannycoates/node-inspector - # awesome!" [nl] -- patrick. http://twitter.com/patrick232/status/19964683259
[04:02] bradleymeck2: danny its working here, nice
[04:02] dannycoates: cool
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[04:02] dannycoates: i'd like to add the profiler panel too, but that will be harder
[04:03] jamescarr: damn
[04:05] bradleymeck2: mmm yea, i know expresso does code coverage, but timing of events would be a bit crazy
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[04:06] jamescarr: okay dudes, I need some feedback
[04:06] jamescarr: I'm afraid I might have made this too complicated for my readers
[04:07] jamescarr: http://gist.github.com/501744
[04:07] jamescarr: thoughts?
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[04:08] cardona507: dannycoates: I am getting 'You need to enable debugging before you can use the Scripts panel' when I try to run node-inspector
[04:08] cardona507: how do I enable debugging?
[04:09] dannycoates: cardona: which browser?
[04:09] cardona507: jamescarr: I can't really follow it - maybe some comments would help?
[04:09] cardona507: dannycoates: chrome 5
[04:09] jamescarr: cardona507, thank you
[04:09] jamescarr: you answered my question
[04:09] cardona507: np
[04:10] jamescarr: if it needs comments, I failed :)
[04:10] cardona507: :)
[04:10] dannycoates: cardona: use? http://127.0.0.1:8080
[04:11] cardona507: dannycoates: yeah - that s what i tried before - same message
[04:11] cardona507: I'm not sure how to turn on debugging - trying to find it via google right now
[04:12] jamescarr: cardona507, I suppose the bottom is more readable
[04:12] jamescarr: http://gist.github.com/501744
[04:12] jamescarr: :)
[04:12] dannycoates: cardona: what's your cmd line look like? are you trying the test/hello.js?
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[04:13] cardona507: i pasted node bin/inspector.js --start=test/hello.js
[04:13] cardona507: jamescarr: oh yeah
[04:13] jamescarr: I think sometimes it's better to be clear than concise ;)
[04:14] jamescarr: er, clear rather than clever
[04:14] cardona507: yeah
[04:14] jamescarr: oh god
[04:15] jamescarr: I forgot about javascripts bullshit math
[04:17] dannycoates: cardona: if you add the --fwd-io flag does it show 'Server running at http://127.0.0.1:8124/' ?
[04:18] jamescarr: oh interesting!
[04:19] jamescarr: (23.36056230456).toFixed(2)
[04:20] cardona507: how about var carlos = 345345; carlos.toString(2)
[04:20] cardona507: or var carlos = 345345; carlos.toString(16)
[04:21] cardona507: quick binary or hex conversion
[04:21] cardona507: dannycoates: no I don't see that - I'll keep trying to get it to work
[04:23] dannycoates: cardona: some people seem to have problems with --start, maybe try running test/hello separately with --debug
[04:24] dannycoates: if that doesn't work, could you put in an issue on github with your environment details?
[04:25] cardona507: no problem - just to be sure can you paste in the two commands that I should try - just so I am for sure trying the correct command - thanks dannycoates
[04:25] dannycoates: are you mac or linux?
[04:26] cardona507: mac
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[04:26] dannycoates: node --debug test/hello.js
[04:26] dannycoates: node bin/inspector.js
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[04:29] cardona507: ok - so when I run the first command I get 'hello world 1'
[04:30] cardona507: now should I control-c that and run the next command or should I open a new tab and cd to that directory and then run the second command?
[04:30] dannycoates: cardona: new tab
[04:30] cardona507: ok
[04:30] _announcer: Twitter: "Liked "YouTube - Node.js: JavaScript on the Server" http://ff.im/-ozhn1" -- Cliff Gerrish. http://twitter.com/cgerrish/status/19966752128
[04:30] dannycoates: does the first one say 'debugger listening on port 5858' in the console?
[04:31] cardona507: it doesn't - but the number next to hello world increases by 2 each time I refresh
[04:32] dannycoates: you may need to rebuild node with configure --debug
[04:32] cardona507: w00t
[04:32] cardona507: it's working now
[04:32] cardona507: :D
[04:32] cardona507: nice work!
[04:32] cardona507: very cool
[04:33] dannycoates: cardona: awesome!
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[04:34] cardona507: wow - there's alot going on here
[04:34] cardona507: this is gonna take me a moment to grok
[04:35] _announcer: Twitter: "Debug #node.js in the browser with http://github.com/dannycoates/node-inspector.git" -- Carlos Cardona. http://twitter.com/cgcardona/status/19967047935
[04:36] _announcer: Twitter: "Hopefully node.js won't evolve into a crappy framework like django" -- shidan. http://twitter.com/shidan/status/19967083534
[04:38] dannycoates: cardona: thanks for the tweet!
[04:38] _announcer: Twitter: "JavaScript server side, networking programs http://nodejs.org" -- Humberto. http://twitter.com/rkheik/status/19967203468
[04:38] cardona507: dannycoates: np :)
[04:40] cardona507: Github is amazing
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[04:55] _announcer: Twitter: "GS Fes is available in a lot and for 作Rubeki. I make it off the cuff. The course node.js" [ja] -- KOBA789(こば). http://twitter.com/KOBA789/status/19968244176
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[04:57] jesusabdullah: Wow, quiet up ins
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[05:00] jesusabdullah: !wx 99775
[05:00] jesusabdullah: er
[05:00] jesusabdullah: nvm!
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[05:06] sh1mmer: any suggestions for load testing UDP?
[05:06] sh1mmer: specifically dNS
[05:06] mjr_: "load testing"?
[05:07] sh1mmer: aha
[05:07] sh1mmer: there is a tool called queryperf
[05:07] sh1mmer: mjr_: I want to see how fast my rudimentary server is
[05:07] mjr_: Surely you'll want to make a node-based load tester as well, no?
[05:07] sh1mmer: maybe
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[05:42] Tobsn: bradleymeck, how does mustache handle the jsonml?!
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[05:45] Tobsn: dannycoates? ah damn hes already gone
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[06:35] _announcer: Twitter: "Node.js is a server framework? Who would have thought JavaScript would be used for that #JavaScript #server" -- nabiber. http://twitter.com/nabiber/status/19973561000
[06:35] _announcer: Twitter: "If you want native Function.bind on #nodejs then update from the source http://bit.ly/aCHjRs (V8 apparently had a leftover "print" before)" -- Andris Reinman. http://twitter.com/andris9/status/19973564716
[06:45] sh1mmer: fuck
[06:45] sh1mmer: sweet
[06:45] sh1mmer: I'll admit I'm not serving a complex load
[06:45] sh1mmer: and I'll admit the server isn't complete
[06:45] sh1mmer: but currently the node dns server does 15k+ qps
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[06:45] sh1mmer: which is better than bind
[06:46] _announcer: Twitter: "i didn't go to bed. i've been looking into #nodejs. its 8am. let's see how long i last. :-)" -- Peter Dayo Banjo. http://twitter.com/dayosuperstar/status/19974062097
[06:52] _announcer: Twitter: "My early early pre-alpha of a Node.js DNS server does 15,000+ qps on the lowest grade of Slicehost." -- Tom. http://twitter.com/sh1mmer/status/19974334839
[07:01] Tobsn: sh1mmer
[07:01] sh1mmer: sup
[07:02] Tobsn: how would you write an object you creat ewith var blah = new Blah;
[07:02] Tobsn: or new Blah();
[07:02] sh1mmer: depends on context, and the object model you used
[07:02] Tobsn: because var Blah = function(){} is not doing it
[07:02] sh1mmer: what are you trying to do?
[07:02] Tobsn: well i used var Blah = function() { var method = function(){}; }
[07:02] _announcer: Twitter: "@ezmobius do what all the cool kids are doing and play with node.js" -- Daniel Jackoway. http://twitter.com/jackowayed/status/19974833663
[07:02] Tobsn: just messing around
[07:03] sh1mmer: ok
[07:03] sh1mmer: I'm not sure what you are trying to accomplish
[07:03] Tobsn: well i just want to have an object with methods
[07:04] Tobsn: but how i have it right now i get
[07:04] Tobsn: TypeError: object is not a function
[07:04] sh1mmer: var foo = {};
[07:04] sh1mmer: foo.method = function(baz) { return baz; };
[07:05] Tobsn: i can also do var foo = { method: function(){}, method2: function(){} }
[07:05] Tobsn: right?
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[07:07] sh1mmer: or var foo = { method: function(baz) {return baz; } };
[07:07] sh1mmer: sure
[07:07] sh1mmer: Tobsn: you should try and get a copy of Crockford's book
[07:07] sh1mmer: or Stoyan Stefanov's book is excellent for beginners too
[07:07] saikat: in node.js, is it dangerous to try to push a lot of date to a user via something like websockets? like i understand that node doesn't block when clients make requests, but then after my node app goes to the DB and fetches a bunch of data (say a very large project) and pushes it to a client, does node not take other connections while this happens?
[07:07] Tobsn: and how do i pass on variables while initilizing the object?
[07:07] saikat: or does node just pass the data to be pushed to something else and continues processing incoming requests?
[07:07] Tobsn: var blah = new foo( 123, 'Test' );
[07:07] sh1mmer: Tobsn: right
[07:08] sh1mmer: although you should probably avoid new
[07:08] sh1mmer: Tobsn: this is kind of basic JavaScript stuff
[07:08] Tobsn: well it is
[07:08] sh1mmer: and too be honest, I don't have the energy to explain it at midnight
[07:08] sh1mmer: after flying all day
[07:08] Tobsn: i just want to do it the right way in node
[07:08] sh1mmer: try me another day
[07:08] sh1mmer: sorry
[07:08] sh1mmer: saikat: that's the point of the event loop
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[07:09] saikat: sh1mmer: yeah - i understand how the event loop handles incoming requests
[07:09] sh1mmer: saikat: anything which might block get's pushed off
[07:09] jetienne: saikat: most likely it doesnt block
[07:09] saikat: i just wanted to make sure that it's equally non-blocking when pushing out data
[07:09] sh1mmer: saikat: you can chunk large responses
[07:09] sh1mmer: so it doesn't block
[07:10] jetienne: saikat: but dont forget that if it doesnt block, thus implies the pushed data are in ram
[07:10] saikat: right
[07:10] sh1mmer: exactly
[07:10] saikat: that part is fine
[07:10] sh1mmer: if you are pushing megs or gigs
[07:10] sh1mmer: you would stream them
[07:10] sh1mmer: so it would chunk via the event loop
[07:10] saikat: i was just thinking of moving my exporters over to node (right now i short poll a process on the server to check the export job status)
[07:10] saikat: but exports tend to go up to around 10 megs in size
[07:10] saikat: and i would be pushing over websockets (via socket.io)
[07:10] sh1mmer: Tobsn: http://www.amazon.com/Object-Oriented-JavaScript-high-quality-applications-libraries/dp/1847194141
[07:11] sh1mmer: Tobsn: http://www.amazon.com/JavaScript-Good-Parts-Douglas-Crockford/dp/0596517742
[07:11] jetienne: saikat: 10mbyte in a browser?
[07:11] saikat: jetienne: 10 MB PDF file for example
[07:11] sh1mmer: yeah that does seem like a lot to send to a browser
[07:11] sh1mmer: saikat: download?
[07:11] saikat: well it's a downlaod
[07:11] sh1mmer: have you looked at github's download server
[07:11] sh1mmer: I imagine the solution is chunking
[07:12] jetienne: saikat: the websocket to download may not be easy
[07:12] saikat: yeah good point
[07:12] sh1mmer: but I haven't looked at socket.io enough to tell you exactly
[07:12] saikat: actually
[07:12] jetienne: saikat: maybe with a data: url
[07:12] saikat: i wouldn't use websockets to do the download
[07:12] saikat: i'm an idiot
[07:12] saikat: i would just use it to check the job status
[07:12] sh1mmer: saikat: http://github.com/blog/678-meet-nodeload-the-new-download-server
[07:12] saikat: and once it's done do a normal download
[07:12] saikat: sh1mmer: oh cool, thanks
[07:12] sh1mmer: saikat: you could probably hit up technoweenie for details
[07:13] saikat: yeah will do - hadn't seen that
[07:13] saikat: thanks a lot
[07:13] sh1mmer: np
[07:15] technoweenie: saikat: i dont poll processes anymore, i start them in node and wait for them to finish before redirecting to nginx for the actual download
[07:15] saikat: yeah makes sense
[07:15] saikat: i would probably do the same
[07:15] technoweenie: our old ruby archive server would kick off a resque job and then periodically check it before redirecting
[07:15] saikat: nginx keeps giving some of my bigger projects 499s
[07:15] saikat: which i'm not entirely sure why - but i get a feeling that constant short polls are not being treated nicely
[07:16] technoweenie: also if your processes are command line based: http://techno-weenie.net/2010/6/28/tee_and_child_processes/
[07:16] sh1mmer: seriously, I should write something up about traffic server
[07:16] sh1mmer: we've had pretty favourable comparisons to nginx
[07:16] technoweenie: git obviously is... so tee helped simplify my workflow
[07:16] sh1mmer: we use it to do all yahoo's internal akamai service
[07:17] technoweenie: yes pleasee
[07:17] _announcer: Twitter: "YouTube - Node.js: JavaScript on the Server: Google Tech Talk July 28, 2010 ABSTRACT Presented by Ryan Dahl, the c... http://bit.ly/cR18JL" -- mark grip. http://twitter.com/mark_want/status/19975494043
[07:17] technoweenie: i tried streaming downloads through nginx too, but initially hit a nasty memleak. and even now it takes more memory than i'd like
[07:18] saikat: yes, mine are as well (command-line based that is) - hadn't heard of tee before
[07:18] sh1mmer: have you tried ATS at all yet?
[07:18] saikat: well thanks technoweenie and sh1mmer
[07:18] sh1mmer: :)
[07:18] technoweenie: ATS?
[07:18] technoweenie: also: http://techno-weenie.net/2010/7/13/in-process-node-queues/
[07:18] sh1mmer: apache traffic server
[07:19] technoweenie: i wrote chain-gang so i could ensure that i'm not running 50 git archive commands at once, especially for the same file
[07:19] technoweenie: its not in use yet though
[07:19] technoweenie: sh1mmer: no but nginx is already in our stack
[07:19] jetienne: technoweenie: you use a lot coffeescript ? this is for a poll
[07:19] sh1mmer: right
[07:19] technoweenie: jetienne: yup
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[07:41] Tobsn: fuck it
[07:41] Tobsn: i give up.
[07:41] Tobsn: idk what nodejs's problem is with my object.
[07:41] Tobsn: n8
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[07:45] sh1mmer: I just didn't have the energy to teach him JavaScript
[07:46] sh1mmer: :(
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[07:48] _announcer: Twitter: "@ifnubima MongoDB itu **Binary** JSON. Not textual JSON. But, MongoDB + NodeJS? There you go: http://www.mongodb.org/display/DOCS/node.JS" -- exavolt. http://twitter.com/exavolt/status/19976790943
[07:48] JimBastard: !tweet @ifnubima http://couch.io
[07:49] JimBastard: !tweet @ifnubima http://github.com/cloudhead/cradle
[07:52] _announcer: Twitter: "@strlen connect my Prolog to some Node.js and that shit will hum along nicely." -- Nick Kallen. http://twitter.com/nk/status/19976988267
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[07:59] tekky: wouldnt "binary JSON" be... a JS object ??
[08:02] _announcer: Twitter: "@ryah speaks about #nodejs at Google Tech Talks http://bit.ly/bvmgBd" -- Denis Jacquemin. http://twitter.com/denisjacquemin/status/19977420856
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[08:07] sh1mmer: tekky: binary json?
[08:07] sh1mmer: that smells of bullshit
[08:08] tekky: sh1mmer: the 3rd _announcer comment from the bottom
[08:08] tekky: made me thing of the jQuery "pro" from linkedin
[08:08] sh1mmer: heh
[08:10] tekky: poor guy actually almost got all the flack off from his first post as a "typo" but then.... he tried again...
[08:12] sh1mmer: nini
[08:12] tekky: gnite
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[08:23] cloudhead: so is there a prefered way to daemonize node?
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[08:32] mscdex: i just use upstart
[08:32] _announcer: Twitter: ""Deploying Node.js With Upstart and Monit" http://bit.ly/bmfhqH" -- Nicola Orritos. http://twitter.com/nicola_orritos/status/19978621097
[08:32] mscdex: heh ^
[08:33] pquerna: i use runit/daemontools
[08:33] mscdex: the daemontools name is already taken :p
[08:34] pquerna: you mean by the window sthing?
[08:34] pquerna: the real deamontools was from qmail world way back :|
[08:34] pquerna: runit is a more modern implementation
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[08:39] stride: strange, make hung up on me yesterday at compiling api.cc, now it just went through in a few minutes.. I really have to get my development server VM from our production box..
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[09:20] _announcer: Twitter: "Alex Payne — #Node and #Scaling in the Small vs Scaling in the Large http://goo.gl/fb/0Q3eB #scalability #nodejs" -- Delicious Over 50. http://twitter.com/readelicious/status/19980459616
[09:20] elliottkember: hey is anybody using Express?
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[09:42] Ned_: what databases do people recommend to use with nodejs?
[09:42] Ned_: (i.e. which ones have good drivers)
[09:42] Ned_: happy to use either SQL, or no-SQL databases :-)
[09:43] micheil: mongodb, and riak
[09:44] micheil: and redis
[09:44] micheil: (but I'm a fan of noSQL type databases)
[10:02] _announcer: Twitter: "@konobi thanks for sharing recent posts about Joyent/node.js. Interesting stuff." -- Mark Stockley. http://twitter.com/MarkStockley/status/19982071539
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[10:06] Ned_: micheil: yes, I think I'm keen to try a noSQL
[10:06] Ned_: :-)
[10:06] Ned_: mongo looks quite cool
[10:06] Ned_: micheil: wait, are you the websocket author ?
[10:08] _announcer: Twitter: "Google tech talk on Node.js http://bit.ly/8ZjCcj" -- Justin Vincent. http://twitter.com/justinvincent/status/19982290457
[10:11] Ned_: micheil: I submitted an issue ... I _think_ it's a bug, but it seems when you did the hijacking existing server support, you broke the 'request' event for the case where you're not hijacking ...
[10:12] _announcer: Twitter: "# CreativeHacker. Not out of # nodejs another girl Tue 1 session." [th] -- roofimon. http://twitter.com/roofimon/status/19982456933
[10:18] _announcer: Twitter: "If I understood that recent error message correctly, @node_knockout is not made with #nodejs. Right on." -- Lachlan Hardy. http://twitter.com/lachlanhardy/status/19982663784
[10:28] _announcer: Twitter: "i heard of it couple of times but actually never used it. I like the idea bringing JS async call style to the server #nodejs" -- Stephan Linzner. http://twitter.com/onlythoughtwork/status/19983061942
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[11:22] _announcer: Twitter: "Node.js: JavaScript on the Server http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6k8lTrAE2g a nervous prezzo but nevertheless insightful" -- Quinton Parker. http://twitter.com/quintonparker/status/19985197858
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[11:48] _announcer: Twitter: "Played around with #Node.js. I cant tell what it is yet, but I can tell it is a lot of fun! To reuse the old Unix process, what an idea!" -- Olle Kullberg. http://twitter.com/ollekullberg/status/19986309184
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[11:50] _announcer: Twitter: "@onlythoughtwork concept of #nodejs sounds great, but I wonder how it performs at such en early stage. Evented coding style is a great idea." -- Phil. http://twitter.com/ischi/status/19986384508
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[12:16] _announcer: Twitter: "All are so accustomed to the standard # js, that almost never use the new features, take the same # nodejs" [ru] -- Anton Byrna. http://twitter.com/itrelease/status/19987598144
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[12:27] _announcer: Twitter: "[The] [from FlatSpace] YouTube - Node.js: JavaScript on the Server: http://url4.eu/6dCS4" [it] -- sldfjd ldajds. http://twitter.com/sldfjd/status/19988123250
[12:31] _announcer: Twitter: "Experimenting with Node.js - Jeff Kreeftmeijer http://ow.ly/18n3kv" -- Javascript News. http://twitter.com/del_javascript/status/19988293334
[12:34] _announcer: Twitter: "Time to play around with some html5 (websockets, storage) and node.js with a bit of redis thrown in. I'm so hip." -- Jim Neath. http://twitter.com/jimneath/status/19988468711
[12:36] _announcer: Twitter: "OMG, how cool: http://bit.ly/aFxR8S # nodejs" [de] -- Rene Meissner. http://twitter.com/qrios/status/19988548778
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[12:42] konobi: are there any docs for http client POST request arguments?
[12:44] V1: Does anybody know if someone is working on SPDY protocol implementation for node yet?
[12:45] stride: hm, connect crashes on me when someone requests http://foobar// anybondy knows if there's a workaround for that?
[12:46] stride: konobi: I think there are modules to decode the http body
[12:46] konobi: it should work out of the box, i'm just noting there's no documentation
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[12:51] FransWillem: Is there any way to get Node.js or V8 to the lowest common denominator of browser compatibility? e.g. take out things like Array.forEach, Array.filter, Array.shift/unshift, etc ?
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[12:52] konobi: no, V8 is designed to support the ES5 spec (most of the way there)
[12:53] stride: konobi: I don't see any HTTP body related stuff in the tests for http-parser either, guess you really have to go with a module
[12:54] konobi: worked it out... it's a writeableStream object
[12:54] stride: http://github.com/felixge/node-formidable this was proposed before I think
[12:54] stride: hmkay :)
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[13:03] _announcer: Twitter: "why switching from Ruby / Sinatra to Node.js http://bit.ly/91my61 <- Basically because of Ruby Version Hell." -- Jeremy Day. http://twitter.com/jeremyday/status/19989953426
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[13:28] bradleymeck2: base64 how i doth crave easier ways
[13:32] _announcer: Twitter: "vienna.js August meetup has talks on node.js and unit testing, and maybe your talk? http://meetup.com/u/8t5" -- vienna!. http://twitter.com/viennajs/status/19991529058
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[13:43] _announcer: Twitter: "http://github.com/ncr/node.ws.js just hit 100 watchers. Thanks!" -- Jacek Becela. http://twitter.com/jacek_becela/status/19992160885
[13:55] bradleymeck2: is there an easy way to get url.parse object's results w/o the protocol? or do i have to slice the href?
[13:58] micheil: Ned_: yeah, I'm the websockets guy.
[14:00] bradleymeck2: there can be only one!
[14:02] _announcer: Twitter: "Scaling in the Small vs Scaling in the Large — http://bit.ly/9IRwVO #NodeJS" -- Romain Ruetschi. http://twitter.com/romac17/status/19993275911
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[14:15] _announcer: Twitter: "NodeJS really tempting to play ~ to installing Ubuntu" [zh-CN] -- Kristy Swan. http://twitter.com/LonelySwan/status/19994099349
[14:16] stride: SubStack: great work with DNode, just used it to communicate between syslog-server (root) and reporting component that is executed as a regular user, works like a charm
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[14:18] _announcer: Twitter: "@jkreeftmeijer do i hear a Node.js? :p" -- Robert Beekman. http://twitter.com/Matsimitsu/status/19994284934
[14:20] bradleymeck2: !tweet @Matsimitsu #node.js hears all... *spooky noises*
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[14:25] _announcer: Twitter: "Making a quick pancake breakfast , and then biking off to drop.io HQ to learn more about node.js" -- Chris Ricca. http://twitter.com/ChrisRicca/status/19994693108
[14:29] _announcer: Twitter: "Bunny paper to study NodeJS to slightly ~" [zh-CN] -- Kristy Swan. http://twitter.com/LonelySwan/status/19994963978
[14:29] _announcer: Twitter: "@ChrisRicca You love node.js. are you using it @dropio yet?" -- Bill Piel. http://twitter.com/bpiel/status/19994992955
[14:30] _announcer: Twitter: "Had to look into the #Node.js since the buzz, Google-talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6k8lTrAE2g. Looks very promising." -- Jonas Grimfelt. http://twitter.com/grimen/status/19995016607
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[14:37] micheil: morning pengwynn
[14:37] pengwynn: yo micheil
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[15:16] bradleymeck2: we got an smtp client yet?
[15:17] mape: Anyone having issues with npm?
[15:17] bradleymeck2: had one yesterday
[15:17] mape: npm ! Error: not_found document not found - at IncomingMessage. (/home/mape/.node_libraries/.npm/npm/0.1.21/package/lib/utils/registry/request.js:79:45)
[15:18] bradleymeck2: mmm
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[15:18] bradleymeck2: did registry go down?
[15:19] bradleymeck2: what were you trying to do
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[15:19] mape: npm ls installed | awk -F @ '{print $1}' | xargs sudo npm install
[15:20] bradleymeck2: registry is up, went through steps of it manually, idk
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[15:28] _announcer: Twitter: "node app.js... It has the same old problems as rails did before bundler age." -- Jai-Gouk Kim. http://twitter.com/jaigouk/status/19998961045
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[15:32] jamescarr: http://s3.amazonaws.com/giles/rspec_122908/dinosaurs_lasers.jpg
[15:32] _announcer: Twitter: ""One can view node.js as being to Joyent was Java was to Sun" http://dtrace.org/blogs/bmc/2010/07/30/hello-joyent/" -- Mikeal. http://twitter.com/mikeal/status/19999230128
[15:32] maushu: bundler age?
[15:33] MattJ: The age of bundlers is nigh
[15:39] _announcer: Twitter: "Who wants octopus, mini golf and what not when I have ridden a setup with websockets and giving glory MATAMEMATAMEAHORA node.js" [es] -- mort. http://twitter.com/mort/status/19999669624
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[15:51] _announcer: Twitter: "NodeJS Bahrain had. . . Try first to a ab" [zh-CN] -- Kristy Swan. http://twitter.com/LonelySwan/status/20000476330
[15:51] _announcer: Twitter: "@fzammetti endless parades are the best kind of parades. Also... That code was ran in my tweet and your mind, not the browser :) //#node.js" -- RyanGahl. http://twitter.com/RyanGahl/status/20000491410
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[16:09] _announcer: Twitter: "Why Node.js is great: "It’s never your computer’s processor that slows you down anymore, it’s the inputs and outputs.." http://bit.ly/dxo3fS" -- Rafael Corrales. http://twitter.com/RafaelCorrales/status/20001705303
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[16:22] _announcer: Twitter: "NodeJS not legendary so fast Mody. . . Is it used VirtualBox Host-Only Network Adapter for the cause?" [zh-CN] -- Kristy Swan. http://twitter.com/LonelySwan/status/20002590637
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[16:24] _announcer: Twitter: "A very interesting article regarding node.js Check it out, Stefan Talpalaru! Guess we are on the right track... http://fb.me/G3YzCHWy" -- Odeon Consulting. http://twitter.com/odeoncg/status/20002741115
[16:25] _announcer: Twitter: "Hacking on some node.js! (@ drop.io World HQ) http://4sq.com/7pSkO0" -- Samuel Cole. http://twitter.com/samuelcole/status/20002797528
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[16:31] _announcer: Twitter: "sorry it looks like i am missing the node.js event at @dropio world hq ... sounds like it will be fun" -- sam lessin. http://twitter.com/lessin/status/20003160582
[16:32] _announcer: Twitter: "i'm at @dropio hq for a nodejs hackshop put on by @nycjs. come on down. 68 jay st. brooklyn." -- alexander sicular. http://twitter.com/siculars/status/20003257217
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[16:41] _announcer: Twitter: "if you're in NYC right now you should head over to @dropio for the node.js hackshop" -- Mikeal. http://twitter.com/mikeal/status/20003834786
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[16:46] _announcer: Twitter: "Ok... just because of Bryan Cantrill, I think I'll look seriously at node.js. #fanboyism" -- Osvaldo Doederlein. http://twitter.com/opinali/status/20004167025
[16:47] _announcer: Twitter: "Lesson #1 - if you run `node` without any arguments, you can enter an interactive shell. #nodejs -- I'm learning new stuff already!" -- Chris Ricca. http://twitter.com/ChrisRicca/status/20004205262
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[16:51] _announcer: Twitter: "coffee script on node.js oh sweet jesus it's beautiful" -- Bill Casarin. http://twitter.com/jb55/status/20004437411
[16:52] _announcer: Twitter: "Yahoo Mail looking into using NodeJS: http://developer.yahoo.net/blog/archives/2010/07/multicore_http_server_with_nodejs.html" -- Jonathan Holmes. http://twitter.com/yoniholmes/status/20004548556
[16:53] _announcer: Twitter: "Grasshopper 0.2.0 supports i18n and validations. http://github.com/tuxychandru/grasshopper/tree/0.2.0 #grasshopperjs #nodejs" -- Chandra Sekar. http://twitter.com/tuxychandru/status/20004558469
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[17:06] _announcer: Twitter: "OK, what the heck is node.js? http://is.gd/dTUqu #devops" -- Ade Rixon. http://twitter.com/aderixon/status/20005420384
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[17:13] bradleymeck2: !tweet @aderixon node.js is a javascript execution environment based upon the idea of asynchronous non-blocking calls. #node.js in freenode has plenty to say
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[17:14] _announcer: Twitter: "Checking out Node.js: http://youtu.be/F6k8lTrAE2g #nodejs" -- Christian Neeb. http://twitter.com/chneeb/status/20005951925
[17:15] bradleymeck2: !tweet @chneeb let us know in freenode.net#node.js if you have any questions
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[17:18] _announcer: Twitter: "Ah see, like most smart-alec Web 2.0 tech, node.js is of no conceivable use to me personally. #iamnotaprogrammer" -- Ade Rixon. http://twitter.com/aderixon/status/20006192042
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[17:24] _announcer: Twitter: "at a node.js workshop put on by @binary42 (account deleted?). Digging it." -- Justin Lilly. http://twitter.com/justinlilly/status/20006570124
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[17:31] SubStack: stride: \o/
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[17:44] zemanel: any suggestions for a template engine?
[17:46] d3x7r0: zemanel, check here: http://wiki.github.com/ry/node/modules#templating
[17:47] zemanel: d3x7r0, ah thx
[17:47] d3x7r0: I would personally go for JSON Template :)
[17:47] zemanel: thanks i missed that
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[17:52] indexzero: ACTION says wattup from the node hackshop in nyc
[17:53] mape: indexzero: A lot of people there?
[17:53] indexzero: mape: yeah we got about 20
[17:53] mape: Nice
[17:53] indexzero: hey, anyone had to strip SCRIPT tags from html before in JS? Found a nasty little bug in node-htmlparser I'm trying to fix
[17:54] indexzero: http://gist.github.com/498560
[17:54] mape: indexzero: yeah
[17:54] bradleymeck2: mmm?
[17:54] _announcer: Twitter: "28 most tweeted VIDEO in Tech || Node.js: JavaScript on the Server http://bit.ly/9jAUFe" -- ZOCIAL.tv. http://twitter.com/ZOCIALtv/status/20008349244
[17:54] indexzero: node-htmlparser fails on the inner SCR"+"IPT tag, so I want to ignore everything inside the SCRIPT
[17:54] mape: I'm piping everything through htmltidy before I use htmlparser
[17:54] indexzero: mape: hadn't heard of it
[17:54] indexzero: thanks for the tip
[17:55] indexzero: is there a node implementation or is it just an external service?
[17:55] mape: I just use exec
[17:55] mape: and catch the stdout
[17:56] indexzero: is this it?
[17:56] indexzero: http://tidy.sourceforge.net/
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[17:58] elliottkember: hey all
[17:58] elliottkember: anybody around?
[17:58] mape: indexzero: yeah looks like it
[17:59] indexzero: mape: thanks
[17:59] bradleymeck2: heya
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[17:59] mape: indexzero: did it like this: exec('curl --silent -L "'+path+'" | sed /form/d | tidy -quiet', function (error, stdout, stderr){call(stdout);});
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[18:00] indexzero: mape: what platform are you on?
[18:00] mape: where call is the callback
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[18:00] mape: linux, debian
[18:02] indexzero: thanks, what's sed /form/d do? Reading a little bit about it now
[18:03] mape: It strips all lines with form in it
[18:03] mape: could probly remove it
[18:03] mape: was a site specific issue I stepped uppon
[18:03] indexzero: ok
[18:05] _announcer: Twitter: "@creationix I'm diving into Node.js.. Looks really interesting!" -- Henk Jurriens. http://twitter.com/henkjurriens/status/20009003405
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[18:09] _announcer: Twitter: "@seldo They may be getting devoured by the Oracle corporabeast now, but they had a VERY good run. Comparing nodejs to Java is harsh, tho ;)" -- Ⓘⓢⓐⓐⓒ. http://twitter.com/izs/status/20009225911
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[18:12] _announcer: Twitter: "Impressed with what can be done with Node.js" [es] -- jordim. http://twitter.com/jordim/status/20009377127
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[18:26] _announcer: Twitter: "apparently this is the weekend everyone is finding out about node.js" -- Mikeal. http://twitter.com/mikeal/status/20010171519
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[18:31] _announcer: Twitter: "What is the Node.js + MongoDB experience like? Has anyone tried it?" -- James Dennis. http://twitter.com/j2labs/status/20010398512
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[18:40] isaacs: mikeal: yeah, I'm guessing it's the google talk
[18:42] mikeal: i actually think it's the Bryan Cantrill thing
[18:42] mikeal: a lot of people follow him
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[18:43] mikeal: and they are in communities we haven't reached as much
[18:44] mape: Well isn't he a heavy hitter, so him saying node.js is the java of joyent is a big deal
[18:44] bradleymeck2: well its not necessarily bad
[18:44] mikeal: and him joining joyent and parising node.js
[18:44] mikeal: it's a positive comment
[18:44] mikeal: Java made Sun a full stack company
[18:45] mikeal: before that they made hardware and operating systems
[18:45] mape: isaacs: btw: http://gist.github.com/502481
[18:45] isaacs: yeah
[18:46] mape: oh installed doesn't return anything..
[18:46] isaacs: mikeal: as much as it grates on me to think of my beloved nodejs compared to ugly wicked fetishistically oop verbose java, it is actually a very apt analogy
[18:47] isaacs: mape: OMG, can I tell you, I canNOT figure that out.
[18:47] isaacs: it totally works for me
[18:47] mape: isaacs: should npm ls show connect-assetmanager@0.0.1 =mape latest remote
[18:47] mape: ?
[18:47] mape: npm ls |grep mape that is
[18:47] mape: or is the parsing broken?
[18:47] isaacs: mape: yeah, it's on there
[18:48] isaacs: mape: http://registry.npmjs.org/connect-assetmanager
[18:48] mape: No I mean.. I can't do npm ls installed
[18:48] mape: http://gist.github.com/502487
[18:48] isaacs: mape: AHA!!!!
[18:48] mape: should it look like that?
[18:49] isaacs: ok, i think i figured it out
[18:49] isaacs: it's not showing installed stuff that's also on the regstry. not sure why
[18:49] isaacs: digging in now, thank you for this clue, that's awesome
[18:49] mape: np, I can't figure out when you are being sarcastic so I'll just keep throwing stuff at you :P
[18:49] isaacs: it's only showing installed stuff if that pkg/version is not on the registry, adn since i have mostly link stuff, i figured it was working.
[18:49] isaacs: hahah
[18:50] isaacs: mape: i'm always being sarcastic, except when I'm not, so yeah, throw stuff at me. totally. LOVE that.
[18:50] mape: .. Yeah..
[18:50] isaacs: ACTION lost track of the sarcasm stack there... not sure what he means any more...
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[18:50] isaacs: no, seriously, this is great, i've been puzzling over this for a day or two now.
[18:50] mape: But that is a server side change? Since I it worked before and I haven't updated the client that I remember
[18:51] isaacs: you have npm 0.1.21, that's where the bug was introduced
[18:51] mape: Ah k
[18:51] mikeal: jchris asked me yesterday if installing packages in node is better than Python
[18:51] mikeal: i said "by a mile"
[18:51] isaacs: mikeal: :)
[18:51] mape: When they are in the repo
[18:52] mape: And people remember to update them
[18:52] isaacs: mikeal: maybe we can make it a 5K once "npm update" lands.
[18:53] jchris: also, is there a way to bundle my script with all the runtime dependencies into a single .exe file?
[18:53] mape: isaacs: are there still plans on doing a push to commit packages to all major modules that aren't already on npm? Seen you done some for newer modules
[18:53] mikeal: i think nDistro might be the closest thing to that
[18:54] pquerna: jchris: not yet, but I'm very interested in doing that soonish
[18:55] pquerna: jchris: i'll need it for a $work project, so somehting will get done
[18:55] jchris: pquerna: cool, I'm thinking of using to to push applications to non-programmers
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[18:56] pquerna: yup, thats mostly my use case as well, need to build single binaries for distribution to 3rd parties
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[18:56] JimBastard: reporting in from the node.js workshop at drop.io
[18:56] pquerna: (not to 'protect code', it'll be open source, but just to simplify deployment and depdnenecies)
[18:57] jchris: yep. I feel like a jerk everytime I consider telling my mom to install cygwin
[18:57] pquerna: hehe
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[18:59] isaacs: mape: i usually add a package.json for anything I feel like using or checking out
[18:59] isaacs: mape: fixed that bug. v0.1.22
[18:59] isaacs: mape: 0.1.21 was teh shortest lived npm version ever.
[19:00] isaacs: and 0.1.22 is the smallest diff in an npm package ever. but ls must work, so that's a nasty bug.
[19:00] mape: bah damit >_<
[19:00] mape: npm install npm, -> error, need to use sudo, and when I do "nothing to install"
[19:00] _announcer: Twitter: "@johnderosa I wrote Python full time for more than 5 years. node.js is already better at everything I was doing in Python and much easier" -- Mikeal. http://twitter.com/mikeal/status/20011953703
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[19:01] isaacs: mape: try npm install npm@latest
[19:01] mape: Same
[19:01] isaacs: mape: which version you got?
[19:02] mape: I got non, I did npm install npm, but got error npm ! Error: EACCES, Permission denied '/usr/local/bin/npm-0.1.22'
[19:02] mape: so I do sudo npm install npm
[19:02] mape: and then it already thinks I have it
[19:02] isaacs: ...
[19:02] mape: which I don't since it failed?
[19:02] isaacs: npm ls npm
[19:02] isaacs: oic, it failed halfway, and didn't rollback
[19:02] mape: http://gist.github.com/502500
[19:03] isaacs: sudo npm rm npm@0.1.22
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[19:03] mape: ah worked sudo npm uninstall npm@0.1.22
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[19:03] mape: and then install
[19:03] isaacs: awesome
[19:03] kjeldahl: isaacs: Any particular reason why simple things such as "npm ls ..." requires write access to .npmrc?
[19:03] mape: But it should revert if it fails and not list it as installed?
[19:04] isaacs: kjeldahl: it ought to only write out the configs if something changed at that level, but at the moment, it just always tries to save your configs on exit. i've got a massive refactor in place for configuration stuff, and that's definitely part of it.
[19:05] kjeldahl: ok, thanks
[19:05] isaacs: kjeldahl: in particular, it should only save if you did "npm config set", but I used to rely on writing the defaults to your .npmrc way back when.
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[19:08] JimBastard: ohh shit tmpvar is trending
[19:08] bradleymeck2: lol
[19:08] jesusabdullah: ruh oh
[19:09] JimBastard: i wonder who linked him
[19:09] jesusabdullah: Time to launch salvos
[19:09] isaacs: trending?
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[19:16] mape: http://github.com/explore
[19:16] mape: jsdom :)
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[19:18] bradleymeck2: jsdom needs a competitor XD
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[19:34] _announcer: Twitter: "[del] [from FlatSpace] Getting started with Node.js on Ubuntu 9.10 in about 5 minutes « Giant Flying Saucer: http://url4.eu/6dkzl" -- sldfjd ldajds. http://twitter.com/sldfjd/status/20013698927
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[19:39] _announcer: Twitter: "http://pastie.org/1068827 -- node.js newton's square root appoximator. Not sexy, but whatever." -- Justin Lilly. http://twitter.com/justinlilly/status/20013918736
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[19:42] _announcer: Twitter: "@tswicegood I'm +1 to: django (plus benefits) rewrite in node.js, learning by rolling your own, scratching itches. cc @isntitvacant #notnih" -- Jeff Triplett. http://twitter.com/webology/status/20014064880
[19:43] JimBastard: node workshop is pretty sweet
[19:43] JimBastard: binary42 is laying it down
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[19:45] JimBastard: okay, im gonna start updating some bullshit libraries
[19:45] JimBastard: they are getting stale
[19:46] _announcer: Twitter: "installing couchdb and once thats finished, installing nodejs on my virtualbox instance of ubuntu" -- Richard Sage. http://twitter.com/richardsage/status/20014279469
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[19:51] JimBastard: !tweet @richardsage http://github.com/cloudhead/cradle might help!
[19:52] mape: JimBastard: so what is happening there?
[19:53] JimBastard: about 20 people are so, we are going through a bunch of examples and then taking breaks and working on other stuff
[19:53] JimBastard: mape
[19:53] mape: kk
[19:53] JimBastard: im gonna update 3-4 libs today
[19:53] JimBastard: mostly the silly ones
[19:53] JimBastard: (its my day off)
[19:53] JimBastard: :p
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[19:57] ryah: saturday morning hacking
[19:59] ryah: http://wikis.sun.com/display/DTrace/sched+Provider :P~
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[20:02] mape: nice
[20:03] JimBastard: saturday morning cartoons turned into saturday morning hacking. i still eat cereal
[20:03] JimBastard: woot
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[20:21] _announcer: Twitter: "@j2labs http://github.com/justinlilly/ExpressMongoBlog -- node.js + mongodb (and express, a web framework)." -- Justin Lilly. http://twitter.com/justinlilly/status/20015962411
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[20:27] pkrumins: has anyone used