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[00:01] mjr_: mikeal: are you guys having open source beers at your office?
[00:01] mikeal: nobody is in the office today
[00:01] mikeal: damien and jchris are on vacation, i'm working from home, and jan is at jsocnf
[00:01] mikeal: er jsconf
[00:02] mjr_: Yeah, I wish I was at jsconf as well, but alas.
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[00:27] chewbranca: anyone using the interlock fragment caching plugin?
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[02:00] _ry: felixge: ping
[02:01] _ry: i just realized we need to get rid of deps/coupling and replace it with file streams
[02:01] _ry: multiple thread pools = pain
[02:01] _ry: reuse code = pain also, but perhaps good once it stablize
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[02:34] pkrumins: anyone knows of a templating system for nodejs?
[02:34] ncb000gt: Mu
[02:35] ncb000gt: it's a mustache implementation
[02:35] pkrumins: looking
[02:44] polyrhythmic: you can use haml-js
[02:44] joshthecoder: yeah was about to link that one up: http://github.com/creationix/haml-js
[02:44] joshthecoder: mainly found that one while reading up about Wheat
[02:44] polyrhythmic: I've been using JSON templates for a long time clientside
[02:44] polyrhythmic: I love them
[02:45] joshthecoder: howtonode.org has some good reads
[02:45] ncb000gt: joshthecoder: agreed.
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[03:22] creationix: _ry: so why did you want me to get the new howtonode side done by this weekend?  Any plans for it?
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[04:20] _ry: latex all night long
[04:20] _ry: yey
[04:20] _ry: :/
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[04:22] JimBastard_: one guess who won the best presentation at scruvyconf and is speaking on track a of JSConf
[04:22] _ry: JimBastard_: you?
[04:23] JimBastard_: OHH HELLL YA
[04:23] _ry: :)
[04:23] _ry: sweet
[04:23] JimBastard_: _ry: i meet a few of your canuck joyent assosciates
[04:23] JimBastard_: also im drunk
[04:23] icey: JimBastard_: congrats!
[04:23] JimBastard_: thank you thank you
[04:23] _ry: 
ACTION is holed up finishing his presentation

[04:23] JimBastard_: hee hee
[04:24] JimBastard_: im looking forward to it ry
[04:24] JimBastard_: i'll be the guy in the domokun hat go, WOOO NODE
[04:24] JimBastard_: going*
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[04:24] _ry: i hope tomorrow also has beer... 
[04:26] micheil: moin all
[04:26] JimBastard_: i think the boat ride will be epic
[04:26] micheil: _ry: did you see that patch I had for http.js?
[04:27] _ry: micheil: updateHead?
[04:27] micheil: umm.. no
[04:27] _ry: then no :)
[04:27] micheil: it was to make the http.Sever have only optional args
[04:28] _ry: remind me about it on monday
[04:28] micheil: http://gist.github.com/368678
[04:28] micheil: okay
[04:28] micheil: it was a few additions for an if statement
[04:28] micheil: makes it heaps cleaner to implement things that use upgrade headers
[04:29] micheil: http://github.com/miksago/node-websocket-server/blob/httpServer/lib/ws.js#L21
[04:29] JimBastard_: i think my john resig joke sealed the deal
[04:30] JimBastard_: i congratulated him on his new acting career. i told him he was great in hot tub time machine
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[04:30] micheil: JimBastard: sealed the deal? which deal :P
[04:31] JimBastard_: winning scruvyconf
[04:31] micheil: oh
[04:31] JimBastard_: and getting to speak at jsconf track a
[04:31] micheil: btw, ask john if he's on IRC much, I've gotta talk to him about some stuff
[04:32] JimBastard_: im uber excited and the node.js room is really the only place where i could brag about such things
[04:32] micheil: (if you could? )
[04:32] JimBastard_: hes on irc
[04:32] micheil: oh, neat.
[04:32] JimBastard_: ive seen him in here a few times
[04:32] JimBastard_: JohnResig
[04:32] micheil: I have too, just not sure if it's him or his server
[04:33] micheil: so, what are you talking about at jsconf?
[04:33] JimBastard_: hook.io and the evented web
[04:33] JimBastard_: and my deep love for node
[04:33] micheil: nice
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[04:47] JimBastard_: fuck i gotta buy some clothes or something i didnt pack a bag
[04:48] micheil: lol.
[04:48] micheil: JimBastard: pst.. Fail.
[04:48] micheil: :P
[04:48] JimBastard_: you have no idea man
[04:48] JimBastard_: lol
[04:48] micheil: haha
[04:48] JimBastard_: i got a free hotel room and a free ticket
[04:48] micheil: heh heh
[04:49] JimBastard_: :p
[04:49] JimBastard_: NOW ALL I WANT IS A DECENT PAIR OF PANTS
[04:49] JimBastard_: ok im wasted
[04:49] JimBastard_: tune in tomorrow for more of JimBastard's hilarious antics 
[04:49] micheil: but.. but.. it's not 5 am yet?
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[05:15] micheil: anyone know where tim caswell / creationix is about?
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[08:58] micheil: is it possible to create a HTTP Res?
[08:59] micheil: nvm. got it.
[09:00] micheil: it'd probably be nicer if http#ServerResponse and http#Server#parser.onIncoming were publicx
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[10:54] qFox: how do you read keyboard input from the console...?
[10:54] qFox: from the api i cant really tell whether that's even possible
[10:55] javajunky: it is possible
[10:56] nsm: qFox: use process.openStdin()
[10:56] qFox: k
[10:56] nsm: and add a listener for 'data'
[10:56] nsm: on the stream
[10:56] qFox: ah, thanks
[10:56] qFox: was searching for keyboard, console, etc :)
[10:57] javajunky: http://github.com/ciaranj/kiwi/blob/master/bin/kiwi.js#L742
[10:57] javajunky: ( as an example .. but it may not currently work against node 0.1.91)
[10:57] qFox: ty
[10:57] javajunky: in fact yeah it wont .. listen to nsm ;)
[10:58] javajunky: anyone seen weird behaviour with 'join' in latest node.. is it even possible that node could affect array.join ?
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[11:01] nsm: javajunky: do you mean it joining by ',' and not by the character you want?
[11:02] herbySk: hello, any (gc)c hackers here? I'm trying to add new cc/h pair to node, copied existing one, added .cc to wscript, but got this link error:
[11:02] herbySk: default/src/node_script_6.o(.text+0x231): In function `node::Script::New(v8::Arguments const&)':
[11:02] herbySk: : undefined reference to `vtable for node::Script'
[11:02] javajunky: I've got a *really* weird behaviour when joinging by '' , 
[11:04] javajunky:  https://gist.github.com/07bab06095a2542cfe88
[11:06] javajunky: I *hope* its just something stupid I've done, otherwise its a bit disconcerting :)
[11:10] nsm: herbySk: Please post full code somewhere gist/pastebin
[11:10] herbySk: mmt
[11:12] herbySk: http://gist.github.com/369476
[11:12] javajunky: *sob* its nothing to do with arrays, I'm now so lost
[11:14] N`: javajunky: node> sys.puts(result);
[11:14] N`: U,e,E,3,j,L,A,E,E,g,N,,G,,G
[11:14] N`: I don't think it's expected to have ,, in result
[11:15] nsm: javajunky: getting unpredictable responses, once 21, once 20
[11:15] N`: javajunky: got it, you have ',G' in your NONCE_CHARS
[11:16] nsm: :D
[11:17] javajunky: spot on, literally just found it 
[11:17] javajunky: thanks, phew! 
[11:17] javajunky: one of those days I guess!
[11:17] nsm: herbySk: C++ doesn't allow () for the default c'tor, use new node::Script, I think that should fix it
[11:18] herbySk: nsm: didn't help (I just copied it from node_timer and there () was as well)
[11:19] nsm: hmm, could you post your .h too?
[11:21] herbySk: it's there
[11:21] nsm: herbySk: sorry
[11:21] herbySk: np
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[11:37] herbySk: i solved it. I missed destructor definition in .cc and this cryptic link error was the outcome
[11:38] ewdafa: what js libraries are people using with node? js itself seems a little sparse and i've ended up prototyping my own functions into a ton of objects, but i'm probably just reinventing the wheel here
[11:39] nsm: herbySk: You haven't defined a destructor in your .cc, that fixes it
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[11:43] nsm: ewdafa: wiki.github.com/ry/node/modules has a list of useful stuff
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[14:30] JimBastard_: has anyone done any work with twitter-node by technoweenie?
[14:30] JimBastard_: or any node twitter integrations?
[14:30] JimBastard_: also is anyone awake
[14:30] micheil: not yet
[14:30] micheil: to the first two questions
[14:30] JimBastard_: i found this
[14:30] JimBastard_: http://github.com/ryanmcgrath/twitscript
[14:30] micheil: to the last: no, of course not, you're just so tired that your' dreaming this.
[14:31] micheil: JimBastard: I'm in your dreams.... 
[14:31] JimBastard_: its possible
[14:31] micheil: :P
[14:31] JimBastard_: i gotta do a 45 minute talk tommorow
[14:31] JimBastard_: on hook.io
[14:31] micheil: heh heh
[14:31] micheil: okay
[14:31] JimBastard_: i have nothing prepared
[14:31] micheil: JimBastard: can websockets talk with hook.io
[14:31] micheil: ?
[14:31] JimBastard_: the answer is yes, but can you be more specific?
[14:31] JimBastard_: thats a fairly broad question
[14:32] JimBastard_: hook.io can listen for events in two ways
[14:32] JimBastard_: polling and sockets
[14:32] JimBastard_: even rest requests are considered sockets
[14:32] micheil: okay
[14:32] JimBastard_: as we have an open http socket (node) waiting for requests
[14:32] micheil: so, that's one side of the story
[14:32] JimBastard_: why do you ask?
[14:33] micheil: what are the four main question for anything?
[14:33] JimBastard_: ?
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[14:33] micheil: What, How, Can I use it, and Why / FAQs
[14:33] JimBastard_: ohh yeah i mean
[14:33] JimBastard_: i'll pull something together
[14:34] JimBastard_: i have 10 slides from last night, but most of them are crockford or my little pony
[14:34] CrockBot: The character Obi Wan Kenobi was actually modeled after Douglas Crockford   heisenthought
[14:34] JimBastard_: thanks CrockBot 
[14:34] CrockBot: Douglas Crockford can normalize the DOM without exposing a single function.   sbesselsen
[14:34] micheil: if you don't have much as slides, then that's one angle to approach it
[14:35] JimBastard_: ill probaly do a 20 minute explanation and then do QA, dont think it will go the whole length
[14:35] micheil: hmm..
[14:35] micheil: what three things come first to your mind?
[14:35] micheil: Unicorns, Crack and Coffee.
[14:35] micheil: (don't ask.. :P)
[14:36] JimBastard_: deanlandolt: you mess with any node twitter integration
[14:36] micheil: JimBastard: btw, relevance: can hook.io use twitters new streaming and anywhere apis?
[14:36] micheil: (theoretical)
[14:37] JimBastard_: yeah thats kinda the problem im dealing with now
[14:37] micheil: okay
[14:37] JimBastard_: im not too familiar with the twatter api, but im using rick olsons lib
[14:37] JimBastard_: for doing streaming
[14:37] JimBastard_: but it seems that streaming is more for listening / querying data
[14:38] JimBastard_: i just need a simple status update for nwo
[14:38] JimBastard_: have you seen http://github.com/Marak/twitter-node
[14:38] JimBastard_: i cant figure out if this lib can currently do simple API calls
[14:39] micheil: hhm..
[14:39] micheil: it's funny that.. I'm busy talking to a dude from denmark who's also trying to work out twitter related stuff
[14:39] JimBastard_: im sure wrapping the twitter api is simple enough
[14:39] JimBastard_: but id much rather build on someone elses work
[14:40] micheil: answer: no, that can't do updates
[14:40] micheil: it's for the streaming apis
[14:40] micheil:  / firehose
[14:41] micheil: http://github.com/technoweenie/pdxjs-twitter-node
[14:41] micheil: maybe?
[14:43] JimBastard_: fuck i killed crockbot
[14:43] JimBastard_: i don't know what that lib does
[14:44] micheil: it's not a lib. it's slides, of no help
[14:45] micheil: JimBastard: http://apiwiki.twitter.com/Twitter-REST-API-Method%3A-statuses%C2%A0update
[14:45] micheil: and use basic auth.
[14:45] micheil: then it's just a matter of using either http.Client or net.Stream
[14:45] JimBastard_: yeah i mean
[14:45] JimBastard_: like i said
[14:45] micheil: if no lib exists, it's DIY
[14:45] micheil: or PDI
[14:45] JimBastard_: wrapping the api is easy, i sent a message to teecho
[14:46] micheil: (new term for the day, "please do investigate")
[14:46] JimBastard_: ya ya
[14:46] micheil: once node gets back(?) ssl, we can write up OAuth libraries
[14:46] JimBastard_: sorry im at the conf today kinda up and down
[14:46] JimBastard_: tim smart started an oauth lib
[14:47] JimBastard_: he was handling all the twitter o-auth stuff but he kinda bailed for the moment
[14:47] micheil: (and we can do secure-smtp, https, something else, and other cool things)
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[14:48] JimBastard_: brb
[14:49] micheil: k
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[14:54] micheil: aaaaaandy: jim will brb.
[14:54] micheil: (supposedly)
[14:54] aaaaaandy: Ohai
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[15:13] micheil: aaaaaandy: it's JimBastard_ 
[15:14] JimBastard_: hihi
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[15:14] JimBastard_: http://github.com/gf3/IRC-js/ seems broken
[15:14] JimBastard_: needs 0.1.9 update i think
[15:14] aaaaaandy: Thanks and hi — I've figured it out though, so no worries :)
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[15:24] JimBastard_: so yeah i dont think rick olson's twitter stuff does plain twitter api calls
[15:24] JimBastard_: seems to be only streaming
[15:24] JimBastard_: i just forked http://github.com/Marak/twitscript
[15:24] JimBastard_: update time 
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[15:28] micheil: oki
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[15:51] JimBastard_: sop gwoo 
[15:51] gwoo: yo JimBastard_ 
[15:51] JimBastard_: i got the best talk at scurvyconf, so i get to do a 45 minute hook.io talk on sunday
[15:52] JimBastard_: pretty excited
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[15:53] gwoo: JimBastard_: that is freakin awesome
[15:53] JimBastard_: :-D
[15:53] JimBastard_: im trying to get the twitter stuff setup today
[15:53] JimBastard_: it would be nice to get banned from twitter during my presentation
[15:53] gwoo: do we need the oauth working for that?
[15:53] JimBastard_: or at least spam a bunch of stuff
[15:54] JimBastard_: im not 100% on that
[15:54] JimBastard_: im looking into it all right now
[15:54] JimBastard_: i think its possible to use the api over plaintext
[15:54] JimBastard_: which sucks, but is okay for an early version
[15:55] gwoo: yeah, it sucks with standard api
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[15:55] gwoo: i had the oauth almost working, i could try putting in some more time
[15:55] JimBastard_: i think Tim_smart has a repo going
[15:55] JimBastard_: have you ever done any work with the twitter api before? can i just do a plain ole post without oatuh for update status
[15:56] gwoo: yeah i have done lots
[15:56] JimBastard_: yeah basic auth is there
[15:57] gwoo: they are shutting it down in june
[15:57] gwoo: but for a demo it's fine
[15:57] JimBastard_: word
[15:57] gwoo: we were having issues with the hash lib
[15:58] JimBastard_: yeah im really close to getting twitter protocol working for simple updates
[15:59] JimBastard_: just gotta get the header of the outgoing request to have the auth info.....i think
[16:00] micheil: res.writeHead
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[16:00] micheil: and then add the keys in to the hash
[16:00] JimBastard_: yeah i just need to know what the header is suppose to look like
[16:00] micheil: res.writeHead(200, {...})
[16:00] micheil: that's for server message
[16:00] micheil: checking for client request
[16:01] JimBastard_: http://gist.github.com/369640
[16:01] JimBastard_: i mean specifcally for the twitter api micheil 
[16:01] micheil: ah, okay
[16:01] micheil: it'll be basic http auth
[16:02] micheil: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2068#section-11.1
[16:02] micheil: will be the headers
[16:02] micheil: and http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2068#section-14.8
[16:03] gwoo: WWW-Authenticate
[16:03] micheil: requires base64 libds
[16:03] JimBastard_: ive got all that
[16:03] JimBastard_: i understand what has to be done too
[16:03] micheil: it'd be good to see things like base64, md5 and such be added to core of node
[16:03] JimBastard_: just drawing a blank on the syntax
[16:03] micheil: (basic crypt stuff)
[16:04] JimBastard_: micheil: i think there is node-crytp
[16:04] JimBastard_: micheil: i think there is node-cryto
[16:04] micheil: try
[16:04] gwoo: yeah i used that for oauth stuff 
[16:04] micheil: true
[16:04] gwoo: but it was not working for hmac for some reason
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[16:05] micheil: var req = http.createClient(80, "api.twitter.com");
[16:06] JimBastard_: yeah i know mang
[16:06] micheil: yeah
[16:06] JimBastard_: i think there is an issue with this lib thats unrelated i gotta look into it
[16:06] micheil: last arg is headers
[16:06] JimBastard_: :p
[16:07] micheil: so, {"WWW-Authenticate": base64(username+password)}
[16:07] micheil: iirc.
[16:08] JimBastard_: ohh wow it worked
[16:08] JimBastard_: just giving me a bad message
[16:08] JimBastard_: http://twitter.com/hookIO
[16:08] JimBastard_: lol
[16:09] gwoo: JimBastard_: awesome
[16:10] JimBastard_: its acting strange
[16:10] JimBastard_: i think it worked the first time but now its not, just gotta keep digging
[16:12] micheil: hmm..
[16:15] JimBastard_: fucking strange
[16:15] gwoo: ?
[16:16] JimBastard_: i cant figure out why it worked the first time and now its throwing 403 errors
[16:16] JimBastard_: strangeness
[16:16] JimBastard_: i thought there was a header issue, but i guess that never existed
[16:16] JimBastard_: i didnt really change anything in the code, and reverted it all back
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[16:18] gwoo: hmm
[16:18] JimBastard_: im gonna try with another account, see if that matters
[16:22] JimBastard_: okay so this worked using the same code : http://twitter.com/maraksquires
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[16:22] JimBastard_: im gonna try to run it again and see what happens
[16:22] mape: will they be publishing the videos from jsconf?
[16:22] mape: or live stream even?
[16:22] JimBastard_: in a month or so
[16:22] mape: k
[16:22] JimBastard_: im amped for _ry talk in an hour
[16:23] mape: Noone is up for streaming it over ustream? ;)
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[16:24] JimBastard_: i mean
[16:24] JimBastard_: i dont know if they would be happy
[16:25] malkomalko_: are you down at JSConf Jim?
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[16:26] mape: People don't go there for the talks?
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[16:26] mape: I assumed it was for meeting people
[16:27] mape: Doubt they would loose attending people if they were to stream it live, but then again I'm not running the conf
[16:33] gwoo: mape: i agree
[16:33] gwoo: mape: i think video feeds help to promote the ticket sails
[16:33] mape: they have sails made out of tickets?
[16:33] gwoo: haha
[16:33] mape: I knew the theme was pirates but jikes ;)
[16:33] gwoo: 
ACTION sails a lot

[16:33] gwoo: :)
[16:40] mape: heh
[16:40] mape: owell guess I'll have to wait
[16:41] gwoo: it's not that easy to setup a feed
[16:41] gwoo: and if you want to do nice videos its even more time
[16:42] mape: well if they are recording them
[16:42] mape: it shouldn't be hard to 
[16:42] mape: just feed that into ustream
[16:43] mape: and save it at the same time
[16:43] gwoo: yeah
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[17:03] JimBastard_: now i spun the instance up again and the exact same twitter code is tossing me an error
[17:03] JimBastard_: maybe the limit for basic auth is way more severe then oauth?
[17:04] JimBastard_: maybe theres a race condition with the connection hrmmm
[17:05] JimBastard_: yeah i think that was it
[17:05] JimBastard_: great success
[17:06] JimBastard_: so now maybe i should setup hook.io to watch one of my twitter accounts for updates and post updates to another twitter account when its updated
[17:06] JimBastard_: and loop that
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[17:08] gwoo: JimBastard: nice 
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[18:00] mape: Aww wanna listen to the talk :/
[18:00] sh1mmer: watch the video later
[18:00] sh1mmer: it is the hotness though
[18:01] mape: Yeah, hard seeing comments on twitter and sitting here
[18:01] ncb000gt: Would be great if it was streamed.
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[18:03] JimBastard_: does anyone know if ryanmcgrath is in IRC?
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[18:09] mape: ry?
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[18:13] JimBastard_: ry is on stage mape
[18:13] JimBastard_: hes talking about node
[18:14] mape: Yeah I know
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[18:22] _ry: http://nodejs.org/jsconf2010.pdf
[18:23] gwoo: wooohooo
[18:23] ncb000gt: :)
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[18:29] MattJ: "Cooperative threading of any sort is a bad idea." - interesting :)
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[18:46] _ry: here is  a slgihtly longer version  http://nodejs.org/jsconf2010_extended.pdf
[18:46] maushu: I really didn't want to use threading. Unfortunately that is the only way I know how to control problems like inifinite loops on untrusted code.
[18:46] _ry: maushu: process
[18:46] maushu: ...isn't that equivalent?
[18:46] _ry: no
[18:46] maushu: Humn.
[18:47] _ry: threads have a shared address space
[18:47] JimBastard_: maushu: are you in your bathtub right now?
[18:47] maushu: ...
[18:47] maushu: Why?
[18:47] JimBastard_: wait were you not the bathtub programmer
[18:47] maushu: No.
[18:48] JimBastard_: lol 
[18:48] JimBastard_: sorry
[18:48] JimBastard_: masuidrive
[18:48] JimBastard_: thats him
[18:48] maushu: But what if I'm in a bathtub? Completely hypothetical question, of course.
[18:50] maushu: _ry, would there be a way to decrease the number of processes and/or memory usage? If I wanted many pieces of code running in their sandboxes.
[18:51] maushu: ...the only thing that comes to mind is creating and destroying sandbox at will, but that would be counter productive... unless.. pooling sandboxes? Huh.
[18:53] _ry: maushu: pooling the processes 
[18:53] maushu: Yeah.
[18:53] _ry: you probably want new contexts
[18:53] _ry: yeah why not
[18:53] maushu: _ry, btw, why the date has a link to your e-mail?
[18:54] _ry: what?
[18:54] maushu: Or is that just foxit reader being an idiot.
[18:55] maushu: In the extended pdf the e-mail link is half-way the e-mail and half-way the date.
[18:56] maushu: There is a chance that it's just foxit being a moron though.
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[19:07] mjr__: Look at that, new REPL gets a full slide.
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[19:11] maushu: Looks like node sucks at serving large files. Damn. :|
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[19:11] maushu: Oh wait, Buffer comes to the rescue.
[19:14] rnewson: maushu: I'm not so sure. large responses in chunked mode still don't terminate beyond a certain size.
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[19:15] maushu: But that is in the http section, right?
[19:15] rnewson: yes
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[19:17] mjr__: rnewson: your issue #77 still plagues us.
[19:17] mjr__: sadly
[19:17] rnewson: *nods sadly* plagues me also.
[19:17] rnewson: were it not for #77 I'd have made my couchdb proxy in node.js and not Erlang.
[19:18] rnewson: anything I can do to assist?
[19:18] mjr__: How far did you get in debugging it?
[19:18] mjr__: I mean, isolating where the problem might be.
[19:18] rnewson: not very, I was distracted, but I'm looking at it again right now.
[19:18] rnewson: first thing is to find out if it's http.js or the c source or v8 itself?
[19:19] maushu: I have a similar problem... I send a 168kb file and only receive 128kb. Sometimes.
[19:19] rnewson: hm, related, perhaps.
[19:19] mjr__: The last I heard from _ry, he sort of suspected it was a buffer-slicing thing, then he fixed two bugs in buffer slicing, but still issue #77 is there, then he gave up and went to jsconf.
[19:19] rnewson: *nod*
[19:19] rnewson: there's another bug on github that sounds the same btw, filed a bit after $77.
[19:19] rnewson: #77
[19:20] mjr__: which?
[19:21] rnewson: #89, I think. the one where HEAD doesn't emit end in chunked mode.
[19:21] mjr__: HEAD is broken right now
[19:21] rnewson: ah, k.
[19:22] mjr__: Somehow my node-based proxy for couchdb doesn't run into this problem.
[19:22] mjr__: And I stream multi-megabyte couchdb responses all day.
[19:22] rnewson: interesting. try inserting the debian 5.0 iso and seeing if you can stream it out again through your proxy?
[19:23] rnewson: that's what I'm trying here.
[19:23] rnewson: it appears to transfer all the bytes but never ends the http response.
[19:23] mjr__: They chunks that come back from couchdb are generally kind of small though, like 1400 bytes or less.
[19:23] rnewson: that is, curl hangs.
[19:23] rnewson: yes, that sounds right.
[19:23] mjr__: Every now and then, couch will emit a giant chunk.  I think that's what confuses it, the larger chunk sizes.
[19:23] rnewson: couchdb uses mochiweb which only reads in fairly small chunks, up to 4k iirc.
[19:23] rnewson: define "giant"?
[19:24] mjr__: I think I've seen some 10KB chunks from couchdb, but maybe I'm confused.
[19:24] rnewson: oh, there's a 1mb max buffer thing somewhere too.
[19:24] rnewson: but I've never seen that happen, it's always under 4k.
[19:24] mjr__: My proxy problems went away with the buffer slicing fixes last week.
[19:25] rnewson: I retested with 0.1.91
[19:25] rnewson: the slicing fix is newer than that?
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[19:26] mjr__: I think it is included in 1.91
[19:27] rnewson: *nod* and master is no better.
[19:27] rnewson: it's odd, actually. it downloads the 647mb or so, then nothing, then it starts downloading more stuff...
[19:27] rnewson: even though it's finished.
[19:27] rnewson: curious.
[19:27] mjr__: Your failing test is part of node, BTW:  /test/disabled/test-http-big-proxy-responses.js
[19:28] rnewson: I do this: http://friendpaste.com/2PrYokdq0XxJyRprLoCyCB
[19:28] rnewson: oh, cool.
[19:28] mjr__: I gotta run and tend to my kids.  I hope you can figure this proxy thing out.
[19:29] rnewson: I think it must be the C code.
[19:29] rnewson: the  http.js file just doesn't do the chunked transfer slicing, it handles higher level stuff, which makes sense.
[19:29] rnewson: the disabled test does the same as I see though. lots of data, then it freezes, then more. weird.
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[20:42] JimBastard_: ohhh shiiiit
[20:42] JimBastard_: http://twitter.com/hookIO
[20:43] maushu: BATTLESTATION FULLY OPERATIONAL.
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[20:45] JimBastard_: its getting thar
[20:45] maushu: JimBastard_, btw, I just noticed. Your hookio project is similar to an experimental idea I have.
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[20:45] JimBastard_: cool
[20:46] JimBastard_: is it a subset of hook.io functionality? or just similiar?
[20:46] maushu: I will now engage my lawyer armies^H^H^H^H^H^Hrebels to sue^H^H^H destroy you.
[20:46] JimBastard_: get in line
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[20:46] maushu: It's a subset.
[20:46] JimBastard_: yeah
[20:46] JimBastard_: lots and lots of web apps are subsets of hook.io
[20:46] JimBastard_: thats kinda the point
[20:46] maushu: Basically allow connections with twitter and so on. Besides tha tthere isn't anything similar.
[20:46] JimBastard_: yeah 
[20:47] JimBastard_: hook.io is about arbitrary web apis and arbitrary connections 
[20:47] maushu: Perhaps in the future we might form an alliance and conquer the world.
[20:49] maushu: JimBastard_, I do have a question, what http server are you using?
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[20:50] JimBastard_: ?
[20:50] JimBastard_: node?
[20:50] JimBastard_: maushu
[20:50] JimBastard_: im using the http module in node?
[20:50] maushu: Nevermind, I checked.
[20:51] maushu: Nginx as a reverse proxy?
[20:51] JimBastard_: aye
[20:51] JimBastard_: hook.io has no front-end
[20:51] JimBastard_: its decoupled
[20:51] maushu: Interesting.
[20:51] JimBastard_: i have a front-end repo setup thats powering hook.io
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[20:51] JimBastard_: it communicates over the JSON-RPC through our browser-side javascript api
[20:51] JimBastard_: having a decoupled front-end is important
[20:52] maushu: So, all requests pass through nginx?
[20:52] JimBastard_: to the api
[20:52] JimBastard_: any requests to /api get proxy_pass to hook.io
[20:52] JimBastard_: everything else is static html
[20:52] JimBastard_: being served by nginx
[20:53] JimBastard_: you could build a completely front-end app that used hook.io as a SaaS
[20:53] maushu: Yeah, I had the idea of using node.js but performance wise that is not the best idea.
[20:53] JimBastard_: i just gotta hook up the jsonp stuff for cross-browser
[20:53] JimBastard_: node.js performance for what?
[20:53] JimBastard_: static html?
[20:53] maushu: Static stuff.
[20:53] JimBastard_: yeah
[20:53] JimBastard_: fuck that
[20:53] JimBastard_: nginx
[20:53] JimBastard_: or whatever
[20:53] JimBastard_: i use nginx because its robust and easy
[20:54] JimBastard_: but you can use any front-end including your file system
[20:54] maushu: By using nginx we sacrifice some stuff, like streaming.
[20:54] JimBastard_: i havent really gotten that far yet, but ill deal with it
[20:55] maushu: I find it silly that they don't have a streaming option for the reverse proxy.
[20:55] JimBastard_: my battery is about to die i gtg
[20:55] maushu: bye
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[21:05] creationix: _ry: just read your slides, how did the presentation go?
[21:21] creationix: maushu: node is pretty fast with static files if you do it right
[21:21] maushu: ...I want to know how to do it right. I WANT TO JOIN THE LIGHT SIDE OF THE FORCE.
[21:22] creationix: especially if you're going to be serving the same small files over and over
[21:22] creationix: just cache them in memory using buffers
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[21:22] maushu: ...
[21:23] maushu: Yeah, the problem are the larger files.
[21:23] creationix: maushu: what kind of static serving do you have
[21:23] maushu: Right now?
[21:23] creationix: if it's something you can afford to keep in memory it's easy
[21:23] creationix: if it's too big, I'm pretty sure the fs module supports buffer based streams, I know http does
[21:23] maushu: No no, the files are too large. Bigger than 2 MiB in most cases.
[21:24] creationix: I don't think there is readfile support though
[21:24] maushu: creationix, but using them is performance wise?
[21:24] creationix: of course with a nginx proxy you can use the special nginx sendfile header from a node app
[21:25] creationix: I always use nginx simply to handle my virtual hosts
[21:25] creationix: most my config files are just a single proxy pass with a server name
[21:25] maushu: Yeah, I don't want to use nginx since I want to handle the virtual hosts myself.
[21:25] creationix: I'd have to benchmark streaming large files using node buffers
[21:26] creationix: I imagine it's not that bad, just DON'T use strings
[21:26] maushu: Please do. I don't trust my benchamrks.
[21:26] creationix: so we're talking m3p sized files (2-4mb)
[21:26] creationix: *mp3
[21:26] maushu: Yeah.
[21:27] creationix: ok, I'm going to have an mp3 streamer as part of my next conference presentation anyway, so I can benchmark it and write up an howtonode article
[21:27] maushu: Perhaps thinking of a file hosting service would be best.
[21:27] creationix: maushu: so how do you handle virtual host in node?  then all your sites are in the same process right?
[21:27] maushu: Like rapidshare, megaupload and alike. Would be better to use nginx or node.js?
[21:28] maushu: creationix, nope. Each site has a process, that is controlled by the main process.
[21:29] creationix: ahh, so you have a node based reverse proxy
[21:29] mattly: oh neat
[21:29] creationix: except it probably works at some lower level, not http
[21:29] mattly: i've been looking at node deployment strategies
[21:29] maushu: ..and since Im using a wildcard subdomain I can also handle any subdomains.
[21:29] maushu: creationix, unfortunately I need to read the host header so I'm using http.
[21:29] creationix: sounds good
[21:29] mattly: and have been coming around to the idea i might just need a node-based reverse proxy
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[21:30] creationix: maushu: you could probably design your own protocol that's more effecient and easier to use than http and speak that to all the back-end apps
[21:30] maushu: True.
[21:30] creationix: but then only apps written for your front-end would work
[21:31] maushu: The problem here is not implementing it but if its worth it.
[21:31] creationix: well, if nginx isn't good enough for the proxy, then you probably have special needs
[21:31] creationix: nginx is a very good proxy
[21:31] creationix: haproxy isn't bad either
[21:32] maushu: I'm afraid that would end up with an (awesome) system but so much slower than nginx that it's unusable.
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[21:32] creationix: maushu: did you see _ry's slides from today?
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[21:32] maushu: creationix, yeah.
[21:32] creationix: using buffers it's on par with nginx
[21:33] creationix: my wheat server (for howtonode) gets around 1600/second with 160k requests
[21:33] creationix: haven't tested larger files yet
[21:34] creationix: either way, I'm pretty sure node is faster than your internet pipe
[21:34] maushu: true. :3
[21:34] maushu: Other thing awesome would be that I have absolute control over the port 80.
[21:34] maushu: Cute and insane experiments would follow.
[21:34] mape: creationix: got link for the slides?
[21:35] creationix: the place where nginx really shines is memory use
[21:35] creationix: http://nodejs.org/jsconf2010_extended.pdf
[21:35] mape: thanks :)
[21:35] creationix: node uses about 10 times as much as nginx I seem to remember
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[21:36] maushu: node.js uses 2mb for each process.
[21:36] maushu: 5mb for the first one.
[21:36] creationix: of course node is still super memory efficient compared to ruby/rails
[21:36] maushu: 3 mb of shared resources obviously.
[21:36] mape: requrie(�net�);
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[21:37] maushu: It's a new type of require. It has +5 awesome skill.
[21:37] mape: nice
[21:38] mape: feels french
[21:38] maushu: It also summons cthulhu on monday.
[21:38] mape: so it needs water to function?
[21:38] maushu: Nope.
[21:38] mape: Oh neat
[21:38] maushu: The tsunami shows up first.
[21:39] maushu: No one knows if that is a feature or a bug. Decision is still on the table.
[21:39] mape: Perhaps it can be used to fix the vulcano in island?
[21:42] maushu: Perhaps. Let's just not bet on it.
[21:42] maushu: Besides, Cthulhu would show up next.
[21:42] mape: Probably for the best 
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[21:58] fictorial: damn that conf is going on now... wish I could've made it. :(
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[22:00] creationix: fictorial: tell me about it
[22:01] fictorial: I'm sitting around with my in-laws... snuck away to play on the computer a bit.  heh
[22:04] icey: has anyone heard the approximate number of attendees at jsconf? 
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[22:24] maushu: Real time streaming of jsconf, anyone?
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[22:36] botanicus: Hey guys. I'm wondering why people use "SubClass.prototype = new SuperClass();" rather than "SubClass.prototype = SuperClass.prototype;" ?
[22:36] botanicus: Because by this approach I'll get instance stuff into prototype, is it? I. e. when I'll do this.data = [] in SuperClass constructor
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[22:37] noonat: No, it's because if you set the prototype directly, anything you add to SubClass.prototype will be added to SuperClass as well
[22:38] noonat: doing new SuperClass() sets up a new fresh object with SuperClass in the prototype chain
[22:40] botanicus: I see, it makes sense
[22:40] noonat: You'll also see people doing stuff like this:
[22:41] noonat: var tempCtor = function() {}; tempCtor.prototype = SuperClass.prototype; SubClass.prototype = new tempCtor(); SubClass.prototype.constructor = SubClass;
[22:41] noonat: That's just done to get a copy of SuperClass's prototype without having to invoke its constructor
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[22:42] botanicus: noonat: so it's basically because of avoiding the problem with instance-related stuff (this.data in constructor) to propagating into the subclass prototype, right?
[22:43] noonat: Right. It's usually not appropriate to invoke the constructor at class definition time.
[22:43] botanicus: Cool. thanks for explanation noonat
[22:43] noonat: You can still invoke it in SubClass(): SuperClass.call(this);
[22:44] botanicus: noonat: and a generic solution, when I'm not sure what the superclass is? Object.getPrototypeOf(this).constructor.call(this); might work?
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[22:45] noonat: No, because the prototype will point at your own prototype
[22:46] noonat: You'd usually want to store a copy of it somewhere -- e.g. SubClass.prototype.superClass = SuperClass;
[22:46] noonat: But you have to be careful with that
[22:47] noonat: If you start chaining constructors this will point to your original object
[22:47] noonat: It's usually safer to just call the super class explicitly
[22:50] shoeman22: hello, what is the best way to deal with global variables when working with node.js?  Specifically, I have a number of objects that will have methods that need to access a db handler (dbslayer) 
[22:52] shoeman22: in something like PHP, I'd just include the db = XXX at the top of my first include file, then all the rest of my files could just get at it...I realize I could use the global object (global.db = dbslayer.Server()), but I'm just curious if there is a more appropriate way to do it.
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[23:27] dobe: shoeman22: thats one way to do it, you can also put it in your own namespace (global.mystuff.db) if you have more stuff you need to put there
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[23:28] dobe: i prefer passing such objects using a function in the modules (exports.init = function (db) { ... })
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[23:46] pkrumins: anyone knows how to quit from nodejs early? like python's sys.exit9)
[23:50] mjr__: process.exit()
[23:52] pkrumins: oic, thanks!
[23:52] mjr__: The docs are ugly, but fairly complete these days:  http://nodejs.org/api.html