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[03:35] _ry: so now that we have evalcx - someone should build an irc bot
[03:35] _ry: :)
[03:35] Tim_Smart: _ry: I already have
[03:35] Tim_Smart: nodejs_v8: Object
[03:35] nodejs_v8: Tim_Smart: function Object() { [native code] }
[03:36] Tim_Smart: uses the patch as an addon though
[03:37] _ry: ah okay
[03:37] _ry: nodejs_v8: 1+2
[03:37] nodejs_v8: _ry: 3
[03:37] _ry: nodejs_v8: while(true) {;}
[03:37] nodejs_v8: _ry: No Output.
[03:38] Tim_Smart: should probably have it use evalcx
[03:38] Tim_Smart: 
ACTION adds to todo list

[03:38] _ry: does it fork out to do the eval?
[03:39] Tim_Smart: _ry: Yeah
[03:39] _ry: it has some timeout for how long it can take?
[03:39] Tim_Smart: _ry: Yeah, forget what it is set to
[03:42] Tim_Smart: but currently it create a process for every eval, would be much cooler if the process only shut down with infinite loops
[03:42] Tim_Smart: *creates
[03:42] Tim_Smart: 
ACTION adds that to the todo list as well

[03:51] Cainus: TODO: solve the halting problem  :)
[03:52] Cainus: anyone know a way to detect if a script is running as the main script, or if it's a loaded module?
[03:53] Tim_Smart: Cainus: module.id === '.' ?
[03:54] Cainus: hmmm... I've never seen this module object...
[03:54] Tim_Smart: Ah ok. you have now :p
[03:55] Cainus: ah nice
[03:55] Cainus: what's the id property for?
[03:56] Cainus: matbe I should read source... is it process.Module ?
[03:57] Tim_Smart: It is the Module prototype in node.js
[03:57] Tim_Smart: The constructor is near the top, the rest of its stuff is further down
[03:59] _ry: hm
[03:59] _ry: there is a commonjs way to do that
[04:00] _ry: i forget though
[04:00] _ry: require.main == module.id ?
[04:00] Cainus: I'm looking for something like python's __main__ I guess
[04:01] _ry: require.main == module 
[04:01] Cainus: lemme give that a go...
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[04:03] Cainus: brilliant :)
[04:03] Cainus: thanks man
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[04:05] Cainus: is there any event for the completion of execution of a module?  or do I need to throw my own?
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[04:23] Tim_Smart: Cainus: The module is executed then you require() it
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[04:30] Cainus: unless you run it stand-alone
[04:31] Cainus: I'd like to run a function if and only if it's stand-alone
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[04:32] Cainus: bah... no worries... I've got a workaround
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[04:50] _ry: Cainus: completion? hmm. what does that mean?
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[04:52] Cainus: well I saw the exit event, but it doesn't look smart to try to handle that
[04:53] Cainus: I'm writing a unit-test framework, so I'm trying to do some weird stuff, but I think I've got it now... no worries
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[05:02] blazzy: the dns.js library didn't get updated to not use "process.dns"
[05:06] blazzy: doesn't look like tests get run for the dns module
[05:07] jashkenas: ha. 
[05:07] jashkenas: node> process.dns.resolve4('google.com')
[05:07] jashkenas: node> Segmentation fault
[05:09] JimBastard_: heh
[05:10] blazzy: noticed the seg fault, pulled the latest changes, and discovered the the dns module got clobbered even further :)
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[05:12] _ry: :/
[05:12] _ry: yeah the dns test is disabled.
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[05:18] blazzy: ah it does look a bit outdated. is that why it was disabled?
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[05:47] isaacs: so, node has evalcx now, right?  am i doing something wrong, or how is this supposed to work?
[05:47] isaacs: process.evalcx("foo", {foo:"bar"});
[05:47] isaacs: that should return "bar", right?
[05:48] isaacs: that's what evalcx does in spidermonkey, anyway
[05:48] Tim_Smart: process.evalCX
[05:48] isaacs: js> evalcx("foo", {foo:"bar"});
[05:48] isaacs: "bar"
[05:48] gbot2: isaacs: "bar"
[05:48] Tim_Smart: can't remember what it is called now
[05:49] isaacs: Tim_Smart: process.evalcx is what it's called.
[05:49] isaacs: i'm looking at the code, and it SEEMS like it should be working...
[05:50] isaacs: but process.evalcx("foo", {foo:"bar"}); throws an error that "foo" is undefined
[05:50] Tim_Smart: hmm yeah it does for me too
[05:50] isaacs: also, is gbot running spidermonkey, apparently? weird.
[05:52] isaacs: and the relevant bit of the test is commented out with a /* TODO?
[05:52] Tim_Smart: Yeah I saw that
[06:00] isaacs: anyone know how to get the actual character bytes out of a v8::String?
[06:04] inimino: isaacs: yes, it's spidermonkey (somewhat old spidermonkey)
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[06:11] isaacs: yeah, the global in the evalcxed code is *not* getting those values.
[06:15] isaacs: AHA!!!
[06:15] isaacs: found it
[06:15] isaacs: you have to ->Enter() the context before the global object is available to hang stuff on
[06:15] isaacs: also, need to manually copy stuff back out onto the sandbox obj
[06:18] isaacs: sweet.  passing the TODO test now.
[06:19] JimBastard_: i just accidentallied the whole github repo
[06:19] JimBastard_: oops
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[07:59] chenosaurus: yo
[07:59] chenosaurus: anyone awake?
[08:02] chenosaurus: hello
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[08:02] chenosaurus: hi
[08:02] chenosaurus: i'm building a chatroulette clone using node.js
[08:02] chenosaurus: anyone wnana help test it?
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[09:02] tiglionabbit: is node-couchdb supposed to work?
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[09:05] tiglionabbit: what kind of database would you use with couchdb?
[09:05] tiglionabbit: I mean with node.js
[09:06] tiglionabbit: I am trying to use couchdb but I'm not sure how to get it to work
[09:06] Tim_Smart: couchdb, mongodb or riak
[09:06] tiglionabbit: mongo works now?
[09:06] Tim_Smart: Not sure
[09:06] tiglionabbit: where can I get the bindings?
[09:06] Tim_Smart: There was a binding for it
[09:07] tiglionabbit: they all seem kinda partially done, and then node changes so much that no libraries can keep up with all the deprecated features
[09:07] tiglionabbit: so
[09:07] tiglionabbit: are there any database libraries at all that work right now?
[09:08] tiglionabbit: or can you recommend a version pairing that would be stable?
[09:09] Tim_Smart: Have you gone through the module list?
[09:10] tiglionabbit: yeah, but I've just been frustrated
[09:10] tiglionabbit: so I wanted to hear from someone who is actually using something that works
[09:11] Tim_Smart: http://github.com/orlandov/node-mongodb ?
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[09:14] tiglionabbit: I'll pull that one again and check it out
[09:14] Tim_Smart: and http://github.com/felixge/node-couchdb
[09:14] tiglionabbit: just tried that one and it failed miserably
[09:14] Tim_Smart: ah ok
[09:14] felixge: tiglionabbit: couchdb failed?
[09:14] tiglionabbit: the tutorial even tries to import things with .js in the name which hasn't been supported for a long time I think
[09:15] tiglionabbit: felixge: yeah it gives me a screenful of errors and deprecation notices.  I'll pastebin it
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[09:15] felixge: tiglionabbit: yeah, it's hard to keep up with node ...
[09:16] tiglionabbit: it must be frustrating.  Dunno how they can just drop core features left and right
[09:16] tiglionabbit: you should document what version of node your library works with
[09:16] Tim_Smart: tiglionabbit: It is all for the better usually
[09:16] felixge: tiglionabbit: "they" do that for making node kick-ass ;)
[09:16] tiglionabbit: some of them just say "use trunk" but then inevitably trunk just removed a feature they depend on
[09:16] felixge: I mean node is 0.1.XX
[09:17] felixge: you should be reasonably scared by that
[09:17] tiglionabbit: yeah I guess so
[09:17] tiglionabbit: is there a better library for streaming server side javascript stuff?
[09:17] felixge: 0.2 will stabelize the API
[09:17] felixge: tiglionabbit: no, there is no better library in any language, afaik
[09:18] tiglionabbit: I just wanna get my project done and I've been putting it off due to frustration
[09:18] felixge: tiglionabbit: if you're coming here and expecting everything to work out of the box, you're here too early :/
[09:18] felixge: tiglionabbit: understandable, I have the same problem
[09:18] felixge: I have to rewrite my entire app (it's huge)
[09:18] tiglionabbit: heh
[09:18] felixge: but this time I have a unit test for everything, so upgrading will not be as much of a pain anymore
[09:18] tiglionabbit: I just want to make an extremely lightweight server that is dumb and relays messages for me
[09:19] felixge: tiglionabbit: do you need a db for that?
[09:19] tiglionabbit: yeah it needs to store the messages forever
[09:19] felixge: I pretty much try to stay away from 3rd party libraries with node whenever possible. Fixing my own code is easy, fixing other peoples code is hard
[09:20] tiglionabbit: anyway my first question is on the installation bit -- putting stuff in ~/.node_libraries actually works?  Can I symlink to there?   Seems a little silly
[09:20] felixge: tiglionabbit: why  is that silly?
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[09:20] tiglionabbit: cuz it hides things
[09:20] felixge: tiglionabbit: ?
[09:20] felixge: you mean the dot?
[09:20] tiglionabbit: I don't hide my libraries in personal configuration file directories
[09:21] tiglionabbit: yeah
[09:21] felixge: I think ruby gems does the same
[09:21] tiglionabbit: no those go in a site-packages directory
[09:21] tiglionabbit: http://friendpaste.com/niQxiuu18pD3i0mZ8rZb8
[09:21] felixge: tiglionabbit: if those are not writeable, it falls back to your home dir
[09:22] tiglionabbit: that's different then.  I used it back when you had to configure that manually if you wanted it :P
[09:22] felixge: yeah, those tests look simple enough to fix
[09:22] felixge: I'm a little upset with process.mixin() removed
[09:22] felixge: but oh well
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[09:23] felixge: tiglionabbit: anyway, I
[09:23] tiglionabbit: so uh, how do I require couchdb.js?  The way you do it in the tutorial isn't working for me
[09:23] felixge: * I'm going on vacation for a week on thursday, won't have time to fix it before then
[09:23] felixge: tiglionabbit: yeah, that was a typo
[09:24] tiglionabbit: it complains about the .js, and if I remove that it complains that it can't find it
[09:24] felixge: just exclude the '.js' part
[09:24] felixge: oh
[09:24] tiglionabbit: so, how do I use this?
[09:24] felixge: tiglionabbit: well, if you copy the project in ~/.node_libraries
[09:25] tiglionabbit: I symlinked it, but I'll try actually putting it there instead
[09:25] felixge: you should use: require('node-couchdb/lib/couchdb')
[09:25] tiglionabbit: oh
[09:25] felixge: I should add an index.js file at some point
[09:25] tiglionabbit: ok
[09:26] tiglionabbit: huh, all the output I get is: 
[09:26] tiglionabbit: Client.<anonymous> (http:393:14)
[09:26] tiglionabbit: node.js:811:9
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[09:26] tiglionabbit: shouldn't those sys.puts get called at some point?
[09:27] blackdog`: what's the best way to check a file exists? stat it and check exception?
[09:27] tiglionabbit: my couchdb server logs a PUT, but not a GET
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[09:31] Tim_Smart: blackdog`: Do whatever you want to do with it, and catch the error if it fails
[09:32] Tim_Smart: Otherwise there is an API for checking if a file exists from memory
[09:32] blackdog`: ok, thanks
[09:32] felixge: tiglionabbit: I just looked into it
[09:32] felixge: not sure what's going on
[09:33] felixge: tiglionabbit: http://github.com/felixge/node-couchdb/commit/0151569bb5879862b8430feffab611ce64f1ce03
[09:33] felixge: I fixed the process.mixin stuff, maybe you can figure out what the other problems are
[09:34] felixge: it's probably the http client API that changed a little or something
[09:34] tiglionabbit: yeah no more deprecation notice, but the rest of the output is still the same
[09:35] felixge: tiglionabbit: right, I would love to help you - but I'm really short on time since I'm leaving on thursday
[09:35] felixge: :(
[09:35] tiglionabbit: thanks anyway =]
[09:36] felixge: (also fixed the tutorial sample)
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[09:50] tiglionabbit: oh cool, after fixing the way node-mongodb is included, I can now use it
[09:50] tiglionabbit: huzzah
[09:52] Tim_Smart: :D
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[10:57] blackdog`: javajunky: ah better :) thanks
[10:59] javajunky: np.
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[11:06] Tim_Smart: Ah, finally got vim in terminal to look half decent
[11:06] Tim_Smart: I miss my 256 color gnome-terminal ;(
[11:07] joshholt: Tim_Smart: that does hurt sometimes
[11:07] Tim_Smart: tell me about it ;)
[11:08] Tim_Smart: apparently running linux on Mac outside a VM is bad as well
[11:08] Tim_Smart: Due to no SMC drivers
[11:08] joshholt: Ah, that's why
[11:10] Tim_Smart: Yeah, Apply definitely played it cheap there 
[11:10] Tim_Smart: *Apple
[11:10] joshholt: Oh well. Until it gets fixed ( prolly never ) :syntax on will have to do
[11:10] Tim_Smart: yup
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[11:29] blackdog`: how do i do a file seek? readSync(fd,0,pos) ?
[11:31] javajunky: set 'pos' ? .. probably worth looking at the non-sync methods though if thats feasible.
[11:32] blackdog`: i'm doing a compatibility layer for an existing system, needs to be Sync in this case
[11:32] blackdog`: i was trying to do a read of 0 length and change the position with that readSync
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[11:50] christkv: hey is the net2 branch back on ?
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[12:41] micheil: Heads up chaps: http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/dailyjs/~3/3QZzjDlL4M8/hosting-nodejs-apps
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[13:30] jasondavies: felixge_: yo
[13:30] felixge_: jasondavies: heya
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[13:31] jasondavies: felixge_: what's the latest on parsing XML in node.js? I'm writing a simple XML API -> JSON proxy
[13:31] jasondavies: I'm not bothered about strictness, just something that works and is fairly quick
[13:32] felixge_: jasondavies: http://github.com/isaacs/sax-js
[13:32] jasondavies: felixge_: cool, thanks
[13:32] felixge_: np
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[13:41] carsonm: Is there a reason that ./configure --debug doesn't enable v8 debug?
[13:42] carsonm: It looks as if the wscript has the option of switching v8 to compile with debug but it is hard coded to always be compiled for release.
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[14:53] codeswing: How can I get timezone specific time in node.js does new Date(); API support it ?
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[15:09] codeswing: Hi guys
[15:09] codeswing: anybody here
[15:09] codeswing: Can i include regular js e.g. strftime.js into the node.js
[15:09] codeswing: and use it
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[15:15] jherdman: hi codeswing. you'll need to put it into a module first
[15:16] codeswing: jherdman: it gave me error that 'document' is not defined
[15:16] codeswing: looks like there is long way to make existing js compatible with node.js
[15:16] jherdman: yeah, that's to be expected. you're not dealing with the DOM right
[15:17] jherdman: you may need to modify the script
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[15:18] codeswing: yeah
[15:18] codeswing: btw I have a date object created with "new Date()" 
[15:19] codeswing: I am using node.js to generate date on the server side .. now want to print the dates on UI  as per timezones
[15:19] codeswing: does node.js Date class support timezone dates
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[15:31] jherdman: hey codeswing. the regular JavaScript Date class supports timezones. Node is all about async IO.
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[15:42] codeswing: jherdman: so it means all javascript libs like prototype, jquery wont be converted to node.js
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[15:42] jherdman: why would they?
[15:42] tmpvar: hi
[15:42] codeswing: jherdman: I thought they can be converted to node
[15:42] codeswing: tmpvar: hey 
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[15:43] jherdman: it's a different problem domain though. jQuery and Prototype are about dealing with the DOM. Node is about dealing with IO.
[15:43] codeswing: okay
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[15:45] tmpvar: what are we takinga bout?
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[15:47] jherdman: codeswing was asking me if jQuery (et al) would be ported to Node
[15:48] tmpvar: ive gotten a *slightly* modified version of sizzle working on node + jsdom
[15:49] tmpvar: example lives here: http://github.com/tmpvar/jsdom/blob/master/example/pure/run.js
[15:49] tmpvar: things like window.location and friends are sort of pointless on node though
[15:50] codeswing: okay.. that's cool
[15:50] jherdman: yeah. i'm a bit confused as to why you'd want jQuery on Node. jQuery is all about the DOM, Node is all about IO
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[15:51] tmpvar: jherdman, my intent is using it for templating html pages for non-js enabled browsers
[15:51] jherdman: ahhhh
[15:51] tmpvar: hence the use of pure
[15:52] codeswing: jherdman: yeah .. that is true .. but somewhere I feel that if node.js is javascript interpreter ... it should also can use jquery
[15:52] codeswing: limitations are fine
[15:52] tmpvar: pure is nice in other reasons, but that was the immediate use case
[15:52] tmpvar: s/in/for
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[16:49] kjeldahl: 90074651
[16:56] kjeldahl: wrong window, sorry
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[17:07] stevebiscuit: jed_: would I be right in thinking fab doesn't support POST form data?
[17:08] jed_: stevebiscuit: not currently, no.
[17:08] jed_: but it'll be easy to add in v3.
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[17:09] jed_: stevebiscuit: i haven't launched it yet, but it's getting there: http://github.com/jed/fab/tree/v3/
[17:09] jed_: (the architecture is much better: basically, every single piece of functionality is implemented as "middleware")
[17:10] jed_: stevebiscuit: more info here: http://gist.github.com/327241
[17:10] jed_: (okay, hope that helped. i'm gonna head to sleep... 2am over here!)
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[17:50] CIA-77: node: 03isaacs 07master * r943b2c6 10/ (src/node.cc test/simple/test-eval-cx.js): 
[17:50] CIA-77: node: Make evalcx work like it's supposed to.
[17:50] CIA-77: node: 1. Move the context->Enter() call so that the global obj is available for writing.
[17:50] CIA-77: node: 2. On success, copy the modified global out to the sandbox object.
[17:50] CIA-77: node: 3. Don't copy functions in either direction. They have scope and closures, and make for craziness when trying to keep contexts separate.
[17:50] CIA-77: node: 4. Only do the ->ToObject->Clone() on objects, so that simple values stay simple.
[17:50] CIA-77: node: 5. Update the test so that it tests all this stuff. - http://bit.ly/9ta5nQ
[17:50] CIA-77: node: 03Krishna Rajendran 07master * r3847add 10/ lib/dns.js : Fix calls to dns bindings in dns.js - http://bit.ly/cZQBpj
[17:50] CIA-77: node: 03Krishna Rajendran 07master * r3c97a43 10/ test/disabled/test-dns.js : Update test-dns.js to work with latest api - http://bit.ly/baXxOE
[17:50] CIA-77: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * r217e4b4 10/ (src/node_dns.cc test/disabled/test-dns.js): Check for callback argument in DNS functions - http://bit.ly/9M0enm
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[18:34] kris928: is there a ruby like debugger tool for node.js yet?
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[18:42] jherdman: kris928: there appears to be a debugger for v8, but i can't seem to find a tool to use it
[18:42] kris928: yeah eclipse works with it apparently
[18:43] kris928: I'd love to just have a simple way of setting break points and getting a console
[18:43] jherdman: me too. sounds like a project someone should start
[18:43] jherdman: could be fun to play around with
[18:45] inimino: you can node with the v8 debugger
[18:45] inimino: there's a command-line option for it
[18:46] inimino: I don't know if it's in the docs or not but it's been mentioned on the mailing list
[18:48] kris928: inimino, thanks, i'll look into that
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[19:05] maushu: Is using facebook's js sdk, instead of the rest api, with node.js a good idea?
[19:05] maushu: tl;dr: I find the implementation of node-facebook, weird.
[19:12] inimino: 
ACTION marks package management thread as 'read'

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[19:33] maushu: Is there a way to run a piece of untrusted code that might infinite loop without using child processes? I don't want to run a child process everytime I want to run this code... unless I make a wrapper and the child doesn't exit... hmmm.
[19:35] konobi: maushu: fork() isn't that expensive
[19:35] konobi: an exec() however is
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[19:35] maushu: Hmm, the child process function uses fork, I'm guessing?
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[19:36] konobi: nope
[19:36] konobi: oh... looks like node doesn't currently expose a fork()
[19:36] maushu: ._.
[19:38] konobi: _ry: any reason for not having a fork() ?
[19:39] maushu: Well, the only way I can think is using two processes, the main one and sub one. The sub process would run the could-infinite-loop code so that if it got killed only the untrusted code would.
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[19:40] maushu: Everytime I needed to change the code I would eval it in the sub-process and replace the code.
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[19:54] tauren: I've just started looking at node.js and it looks quite interesting. Could someone give me an idea of how difficult it would be to implement this simple MonsterID/Gravatar php script with it? 
[19:54] tauren: http://www.splitbrain.org/blog/2007-01/20_monsterid_as_gravatar_fallback
[19:55] tauren: Is it possible to do image manipulation and such using nodejs?
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[20:03] JimBastard: is it possible to override or to prototype the "function" keyword? i need to do some aspect oriented programming, would like to wrap all my function calls in a try / catch block
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[20:18] inimino: JimBastard: it's not
[20:19] inimino: you could parse the JavaScript and modify every function declaration, but that's about it
[20:20] JimBastard: yeah thats what i thought
[20:20] frodenius: what has wrapping the calls to do with the function keyword?
[20:20] JimBastard: fuck
[20:20] brapse: JimBastard: you could write a function that returns a function wrapped in a try catch
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[20:28] JimBastard: back sorry
[20:28] JimBastard: brapse:  the issue is i have a large code base already in play
[20:28] JimBastard: so i cant just rewrite every method
[20:29] JimBastard: ive been messing with window.onerror, but its not as awesome as you'd think
[20:29] JimBastard: frodenius: i'd like to be able to "extend" all my existing function calls so they are automatically wrapped in try / catches that will fire a global error event i have created
[20:30] JimBastard: would also be nice to add an optional debug.log() statement at the start of every method 
[20:30] brapse: JimBastard: i feel overwritting global error handling is cruising for a bruising
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[20:32] JimBastard: brapse:  pretend you had a complex front-end with 1000s of views and JS interactions built over the past few years
[20:33] JimBastard: how else would you suggest looking for errors sitewide? 
[20:33] JimBastard: without a rewrite?
[20:33] JimBastard: if i get a global error handler (currently using window.onerror) i can send notifications to our error server
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[20:34] JimBastard: morning Tim_Smart !
[20:34] Tim_Smart: :o
[20:34] Tim_Smart: shower time!
[20:34] JimBastard: i knew i forgot something this morning
[20:34] brapse: JimBastard: that seems to be your best option.
[20:34] JimBastard: let me again apologize for accendinetallied the whole github repo again Tim_Smart 
[20:34] JimBastard: friends dont lets friends fix the git repo at 4am
[20:35] JimBastard: ;-)
[20:35] JimBastard: brapse:  i think so yeah..... i have another solution but i dont like it
[20:35] JimBastard: ive done it before for doing AOP in JS
[20:35] JimBastard: which is take all your methods.....run a .toString() on them....add your aspects....and eval
[20:35] JimBastard: :-(
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[20:36] JimBastard: voodootikigod:  might have some insight on this. trying to figure out how to throw aspects on top of every single function in a JS app
[20:36] jherdman: JimBastard: is function() {} equivalent to new Function()?
[20:37] JimBastard: i.e. add a try / catch around every method with a global error catcher
[20:37] JimBastard: i think so?
[20:37] jherdman: if so... maybe you could override the constructor?
[20:37] voodootikigod: what
[20:37] JimBastard: AOP
[20:38] voodootikigod: as in overriding function() {}
[20:38] JimBastard: yeah 
[20:38] voodootikigod: or as in proper handling with callback injection
[20:38] JimBastard: well we have a large legacy app
[20:38] JimBastard: with lots of already defined methods
[20:38] JimBastard: so all i know is that rewriting is the last option
[20:39] rektide: tmpvar: your README.md on node-avro delinieates three reasons why the project is discontinued, yet you still appear to be doing at least some work on the project...
[20:39] JimBastard: ive been playing with window.onerror() but its not quite there 
[20:39] rektide: what is its status?
[20:39] voodootikigod: and you are trying to trace it?
[20:40] JimBastard: trace what?
[20:41] voodootikigod: i jumped in at teh insight part
[20:41] JimBastard: we've got a large app with a lot of views and JS pages, now that im in charge of managing the JS i'd like to be able to know if a minor change i make somewhere affects another view i didnt even know existed
[20:41] voodootikigod: so ia am trying to figure out what you are doing
[20:41] JimBastard: sorry
[20:41] JimBastard: i want to send hoptoad notifications on JS errors client-side
[20:41] JimBastard: if it was one method its crazy simple
[20:41] JimBastard: wrap it in a try / catch
[20:41] JimBastard: have the catch block call my hoptop ajax call
[20:41] brapse: JimBastard: if you toString every function, remember that you will re-closing upon the current conext, this could be a huge cluster fuck
[20:41] JimBastard: brapse: that solution i brought up with toString() isnt really viable
[20:42] JimBastard: back to voodootikigod 
[20:42] JimBastard: so since its 1000s of methods
[20:42] JimBastard: i can't rewrite each one
[20:42] JimBastard: i mean i could, but i dont want to
[20:43] maushu: tauren, http://wiki.github.com/ry/node/modules#graphics
[20:43] voodootikigod: can you control the target env
[20:43] voodootikigod: ?
[20:43] JimBastard: how do you mean voodootikigod ?
[20:44] voodootikigod: IE internal pages v external pages
[20:44] JimBastard: well we want to test our users experience, so cross-browser is great but if we are stuck with a few browsers to start (like FF) it wouldnt be too bad
[20:44] voodootikigod: so ff has method missing
[20:45] voodootikigod: which could allow you easily to recreate hoptoad browser side
[20:45] voodootikigod: another option is to rewrite the error object
[20:45] voodootikigod: and then inject your code for errors
[20:45] JimBastard: heh i like the second idea
[20:45] JimBastard: i didnt know you could do that
[20:45] voodootikigod: the better option
[20:45] voodootikigod: create tests
[20:45] voodootikigod: and run them on selenium
[20:45] JimBastard: :-D
[20:45] JimBastard: i agree
[20:45] voodootikigod: i know a guy
[20:45] JimBastard: getting good test covereage for this project will take a long time
[20:46] JimBastard: and maintaining the tests will be a pita
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[20:46] voodootikigod: look i rarely if ever advocate testing
[20:46] voodootikigod: :)
[20:46] voodootikigod: or test swarm
[20:46] voodootikigod: http://testswarm.com/
[20:46] JimBastard: i signed up for that a while ago, no email
[20:47] voodootikigod: i knows a guy
[20:47] JimBastard: could you get me into testswarm?
[20:47] JimBastard: i mean if it wasnt a huge pain for you
[20:47] voodootikigod: i can try but i think sauce rc might be better for what you are trying to do
[20:48] JimBastard: i'd make you my #3 javascript god, after john resig and ryan dahl
[20:48] voodootikigod: http://saucelabs.com/products/sauce-ondemand
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[20:48] voodootikigod: i dont like being counted
[20:48] voodootikigod: :)
[20:49] JimBastard: dont worry i overrode the Number() method
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[20:50] voodootikigod: haha
[20:51] voodootikigod: are you coming down for jsconf
[20:51] JimBastard: i wish man
[20:51] JimBastard: i didnt have the budget for tickets when they went on sale and then it sold out
[20:51] JimBastard: considering crashing it
[20:51] voodootikigod: umm i would not let that happen
[20:51] voodootikigod: but
[20:51] voodootikigod: you could come down for the parties
[20:51] voodootikigod: i can intro you to the people you need ot chat with 
[20:52] voodootikigod: hugs owes me anyhow
[20:53] voodootikigod: resig should be there too
[20:53] voodootikigod: you can have them fight to the death for a winner
[20:54] JimBastard: i mean this is just a small issue im having at work
[20:54] JimBastard: i really wanted to give a lightning talk about my latest web project
[20:55] voodootikigod: if you can make it to scurvyconf
[20:55] voodootikigod: you could do it there
[20:57] JimBastard: is that gonna be at the same time?
[20:57] voodootikigod: its friday night
[20:57] JimBastard: i am considering coming down just for the party
[20:57] voodootikigod: http://jsconf.us/2010/schedule.html
[20:58] JimBastard: yeah that looks good ill try to make it out
[20:58] JimBastard: if you hear of any extra tickets i'd be willing to pay for them
[20:58] voodootikigod: any good with yui?
[20:58] voodootikigod: http://www.yuiblog.com/blog/2010/03/05/yui-3-gallery-contest-2010/
[20:59] JimBastard: thanks for the info, i saw that a few days ago. not really a YUI person, or someone who would win that contest anyway
[20:59] JimBastard: :-\
[21:00] JimBastard: i am having a javascript party this thursday though, creationix is coming to visit for a few days
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[21:00] JimBastard: got a few really good developers who are coming
[21:00] voodootikigod: maybe time to learn yui :)
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[21:01] JimBastard: im way too busy with this project Tim_Smart  and I are working on
[21:01] voodootikigod: haha
[21:01] voodootikigod: allg ood
[21:01] voodootikigod: anyhow
[21:01] voodootikigod: parties are tehre
[21:01] voodootikigod: you can snarf a ticket for them
[21:01] JimBastard: im in
[21:01] JimBastard: and i will try to sneak into JSConf via the bathoom window
[21:01] JimBastard: so if you see me walking around play cool
[21:01] voodootikigod: umm
[21:01] voodootikigod: its on the 4th floor
[21:01] JimBastard: im a good climber
[21:02] JimBastard: :-D back to work for me thanks for the info voodootikigod 
[21:02] JimBastard: you are one of my JS demi-gods
[21:02] voodootikigod: nah not me
[21:02] kjeldahl: So, today is "stop using kiwi" day? ;-)
[21:03] javajunky: really? how come?
[21:03] Tim_Smart: because npm is cool?
[21:03] kjeldahl: http://github.com/visionmedia/express/commit/670b6cfc15bbe86c1f9d2caff4232e51bf0e0c56
[21:03] javajunky: ;) Apart from that
[21:04] javajunky: ah, thats just because he got a lot of flack for making express dependent on kiwi so based on the feedback removed the dependency
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[21:06] javajunky: I can't see a massive difference between kiwi and npm tbh,  when I first starting hacking on node, there was nothing but a broken npm, which I duly fixed, but isaacs didn't have time to carry the project forward, in the mean time kiwi started up so I switched to working with that instead, … meanwhile isaacs picked up the ball and started up npm again *sob* 
[21:06] kjeldahl: Make sense. I just didn't know why, considering he gave me a couple of free lessons yesterday getting it working with kiwi. :-) Oh well, back to git. No bigge, I just wondered.
[21:06] kjeldahl: And this message: http://github.com/visionmedia/express/commit/656d7754cd9595b5ea25de93c740701a186d62b4
[21:07] kjeldahl: PM = package manager?
[21:07] javajunky: yeah, basiically the PMs are now fighting it out *sob* somewhat inevitable when a power vacuum occurs (ryan doesn't want an official PM at this point ) 
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[21:08] kjeldahl: Ok, thanks. A bit clearer now.
[21:08] javajunky: I don't really mind what wins, but it would make it a damn sight easier for me to 'sell' node.js to my colleagues… currently they're not at all cool with  tracking a series of git modules :( 
[21:08] javajunky: fiwiw I'm still using kiwi with express as several of the packages there are pretty useful to me :)
[21:09] javajunky: its a shame the npm development stalled really or this 'issue' wouldn't have arisen (one would hope!)
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[21:10] kjeldahl: "kiwi update" doesn't seem to upgrade to the latest express (or it does it without telling me)...
[21:10] javajunky: kiwi —verbose update probably will tell you more.
[21:12] maushu: Kiwi feels very buggy.
[21:12] kjeldahl: Thanks, it seems it did update after all. Those blank lines it outputs is a bit misleading, but anyway, seems to work for now.
[21:12] maushu: I don't understand why it isn't coded in node.js either.
[21:13] kjeldahl: I think he wanted it to actually be able to install node.
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[21:13] maushu: ...thats silly.
[21:13] javajunky: I've not noticed any bugs myself, I've ported the client to js here if that makes you feel any better http://github.com/ciaranj/kiwi 
[21:13] maushu: We still have to install kiwi either way.
[21:13] javajunky: but the rational was to avoid being damaged by the rate of change of node
[21:16] maushu: javajunky, you forgot to add the script header
[21:16] maushu: :P
[21:16] javajunky: sry ? 
[21:17] maushu: #!/usr/local/bin/node
[21:17] javajunky: ah yeah hadn't gotten around to that ;) 
[21:17] javajunky: I wouldn't want to fork tj's project so its not ready to roll (although it *mostly* works)  :)
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[21:43] Tim_Smart: urgh, oauth and twitter api
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[21:53] tauren: maushu, thanks!
[21:53] maushu: np
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[22:34] tmpvar: rektide, sorry about that.. meant to update it but got pulled into meetings
[22:34] tmpvar: will update shortly
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[22:40] rektide: !8ball will the update be horrificly gloomy and depressing
[22:42] tmpvar: ouch
[22:42] tmpvar: negatory
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[22:55] mjr_: Is there a good way to detect a failed exec with process.createChildProcess()? 
[22:56] Tim_Smart: mjr_: You should get the kill / end event ?
[22:56] mjr_: If you pass it a bad filename, the exec seems to succeed, and then print an error on stderr
[22:59] mjr_: By "kill / end" do you mean "exit"?  
[22:59] Tim_Smart: yeah
[23:02] mjr_: Indeed, that event shows up, there doesn't seem to be a way to differentiate a child process that ran and then exited, vs one where the execvp failed.
[23:02] mjr_: Oh well.
[23:03] Tim_Smart: mjr_: I guess check the stderr output
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[23:03] mjr_: Yeah, the stderr output is easily matchable: execvp(): No such file or directory
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[23:15] mjr_: is the third parameter, environment, to createChildProcess() expected to work?
[23:15] mjr_: It is in the API doc, but then node.js:102 says it doesn't work.  Meanwhile, node_child_process.cc:324 looks like it has plumbed through the env.
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[23:23] mjr_: It doesn't seem to work on OSX or Linux, even though it looks like it should.
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[23:56] Tim_Smart: _ry: ping