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[02:05] tmpvar: _ry, 2 week iterations, nice
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[02:24] _ry: tmpvar: it should be a bit faster
[02:24] _ry: this one got pushed back though
[02:25] _ry: okay. so i'm going to try to make some progress towards 0.2 this weekend
[02:25] tmpvar: nice
[02:25] tmpvar: 0.2.0 is?
[02:26] _ry: Buffers, unix sockets, splitting up process.stdio into process.stdin,err,out
[02:26] Tim_Smart: :D
[02:30] tmpvar: i like
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[02:43] ryanmcgrath: Hey-o
[02:43] ryanmcgrath: Is there any way to set fs.rmdirSync to be recursive?
[02:43] ryanmcgrath: i.e, the equivalent of rm -rf
[02:46] _ry: you have to do it manually
[02:46] creationix: does anyone here have much experience with libev, the #schmorp room seems very quiet this time of day
[02:46] _ry: creationix: i do
[02:47] creationix: do you have a second to help out a c noob?
[02:47] _ry: sure
[02:47] creationix: I want a simple process that communicates with other processes over tcp and has some time based events
[02:48] ryanmcgrath: Bleh, that kinda blows. :\
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[02:48] ryanmcgrath: Alright though
[02:48] creationix: from what I can tell libev helps with this
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[02:48] creationix: _ry: I got this far http://pastie.org/856796
[02:48] _ry: :)
[02:49] _ry: you're almost there :)
[02:49] creationix: obviously I'm better at JS
[02:49] tmpvar: HA
[02:49] tmpvar: i'd hope so
[02:49] _ry: creationix: libev is pretty low-level - it just gives you notifications of when your fds are readable or writable
[02:49] _ry: creationix: maybe you want to use evcom - which is for streaming over libev
[02:50] creationix: _ry: that's the one you made right?
[02:51] _ry: yeah
[02:51] _ry: creationix: http://github.com/ry/evcom/blob/master/evcom.h
[02:51] _ry: no docs though :)
[02:51] creationix: hmm, seems to require gnutls
[02:52] creationix: can I disable that?
[02:52] _ry: yeah
[02:52] _ry: by default it's disabled
[02:52] _ry: what do you want to do though?
[02:53] creationix: I just need tcp sockets over a lan
[02:53] creationix: and timeouts
[02:53] creationix: interprocess protocol stuff
[02:53] _ry: to do what?
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[02:54] creationix: a simulation of the Ricart Agrawala protocol
[02:54] tmpvar: tcp is slow, udp is like lightning
[02:55] tmpvar: 
ACTION throws wrenches

[02:55] creationix: I'm fine with udp if it's easier, the test will be over ethernet
[02:55] tmpvar: probably not easier
[02:55] _ry: creationix: sounds hard - why not use node?
[02:55] creationix: solaris sparc
[02:55] _ry: ah
[02:55] _ry: twisted?
[02:56] creationix: has to be c or java
[02:56] _ry: mm
[02:56] _ry: 
ACTION is glad he's not in school

[02:56] creationix: tell me about it
[02:58] _ry: so you get like, a list of sites?
[02:58] creationix: I'll poke around evcom a bit and see what I can figure out.  I was taught c 10 years ago, but never used it since
[02:58] _ry: you open a connection to all of them?
[02:58] creationix: for the simulation?
[02:58] _ry: yeah
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[02:59] creationix: I read a config file that specifies parameters like how long each node is in the critical section and how many nodes there are
[02:59] creationix: then I fork up that many nodes, give each one of them a list of all the other nodes and the specs
[02:59] creationix: then they trade messages according to the specs and the protocol till they're done
[02:59] _ry: oh
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[03:00] creationix: all the while outputting log files
[03:00] _ry: all on the same computer?
[03:00] creationix: It has to work across machines if needed
[03:01] creationix: I'm not sure how to launch them all at once though, maybe a bash script with ssh keys
[03:02] creationix: yeah, I'll use bash for the test-runner
[03:02] _ry: anyway - it's doable - just going to take a bit. use evcom if you want to be non-blocking
[03:02] _ry: it'll help with the writes
[03:03] creationix:  thanks, I'm tweaking the makefile now
[03:03] creationix: evcom runs on sparc right?
[03:04] _ry: sure
[03:04] _ry: you might need to fix an error here or there
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[03:06] creationix: this will be a long night
[03:06] creationix: at least I'll know the innards of node a little better when I'm done
[03:12] ryanmcgrath: Might be a stupid question, but whatevs: what's the different between stats/lstat?
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[03:17] creationix: ryanmcgrath: I think one of them dereferences symlinks and the other doesn't
[03:18] ryanmcgrath: Hmmmm
[03:18] creationix: I think the commit message where it was added explains it
[03:18] creationix: I personally have no clue
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[03:25] Tim_Smart: nodejs_v8 has a home now, temporarily...
[03:27] creationix: Tim_Smart: how does it work?
[03:27] Tim_Smart: nodejs_v8: Object.getOwnPropertyNames(this)
[03:27] nodejs_v8: Tim_Smart: ["TypeError", "decodeURI", "String", "Function", "Number", "undefined", "parseFloat", "encodeURI", "encodeURIComponent", "ReferenceError", "RegExp", "escape", "Array", "isNaN", "URIError", "unescape", "RangeError", "Date", "Infinity", "decodeURIComponent", "EvalError", "Math", "Boolean", "Error", "SyntaxError", "Object", "NaN", "eval", "parseInt", "execScript", "JSON", "isFinite"]
[03:27] Tim_Smart: I just found a server for it, thats all
[03:28] creationix: nodejs_v8: Object.getOwnPropertyNames(Object)
[03:28] nodejs_v8: creationix: ["getOwnPropertyNames", "arguments", "length", "create", "name", "keys", "prototype", "getOwnPropertyDescriptor", "caller", "getPrototypeOf", "defineProperty", "defineProperties"]
[03:28] creationix: sweet, latest v8
[03:28] Tim_Smart: whats new in the latest v8?
[03:29] creationix: 2.1.0 added Object.getOwnPropertyNames and 2.1.1 added Object.defineProperty
[03:29] creationix: though 2.1.2 was just bugfixes
[03:30] Tim_Smart: right
[03:30] Tim_Smart: creationix: Btw, I added you to biggie, and biggie-orm
[03:30] creationix: I saw
[03:30] Tim_Smart: I'm going to start work on biggie-orm first, as that is the biggest road-block for now
[03:30] konobi: what does "persistent" mean in the fs.watchFile options?
[03:31] creationix: Tim_Smart: I'll look at it after this weekend, I'm totally swamped
[03:31] ryanmcgrath: is fs.stat always async?
[03:31] Tim_Smart: creationix: Yeah, de-swamp yourself first
[03:32] creationix: Tim_Smart: then ry has dibs on my time, I'm doing the new docs for node, so it will be a while
[03:33] creationix: ryanmcgrath: fs.statSync is sync
[03:33] creationix: most the fs functions have a sync version
[03:33] ryanmcgrath: Mmmm thanks
[03:33] ryanmcgrath: Yeah, I just somehow missed that.
[03:34] creationix: just don't use sync stuff inside event loops, but you probably knew that
[03:35] ryanmcgrath: Huh
[03:35] ryanmcgrath: I get an error when I try to use statSync
[03:36] ryanmcgrath: Oooh
[03:36] ryanmcgrath: I bet I see why
[03:36] ryanmcgrath: Yeeaaahhh
[03:36] creationix: nodejs_v8: require('fs').statSync(__dirname)
[03:36] nodejs_v8: creationix: Exception: ReferenceError: require is not defined
[03:37] ryanmcgrath: Got what I needed now
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[03:38] Tim_Smart: creationix: I don't think I'll add node.js stuff to the sandbox. Some smart kid would: createChildProcess('rm', ['-Rf', '/']); or something
[03:38] creationix: true
[03:38] Tim_Smart: It's not running as root though, so it should be fine mostly
[03:39] creationix: you could run it in a chroot and have it auto-restart if it kills itself
[03:39] creationix: of course it could still do stuff like form bombs
[03:39] creationix: *fork bombs
[03:40] Tim_Smart: creationix: Yeah a clean sandbox is fine for now, otherwise I would spend a lot of time patching a custom node install or something
[03:40] Tim_Smart: or overwriting a whole lot of stuff
[03:41] creationix: well, I'd better close irc or I'll never get my work done
[03:41] creationix: goodnight everyone
[03:42] ryanmcgrath: Huh
[03:43] ryanmcgrath: How does one go about removing a file in Node?
[03:43] ryanmcgrath: I see ways to remove directories/symlinks/etc; maybe I've missed something?
[03:50] _ry: Tim_Smart: more deps/v8/ChangeLog
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[03:51] Tim_Smart: _ry: ?
[03:51] Tim_Smart: _ry: Ah gotcha
[03:58] ryanmcgrath: I feel like I must be missing something here. :\
[03:59] Tim_Smart: ryanmcgrath: I think there a function for unlink-ing files
[03:59] ryanmcgrath: Is that the same as deleting, though? I may just be oblivious to the terminology.
[03:59] ryanmcgrath: 
ACTION shrugs

[03:59] inimino: ryanmcgrath: yes.
[04:00] ryanmcgrath: Oh wow
[04:00] ryanmcgrath: Yeah, that's what I need.
[04:00] ryanmcgrath: Thanks
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[04:14] konobi: _ry: ping
[04:19] konobi: _ry: could you rebase/merge master into net2 plz
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[04:50] tmpvar: hey isaacs 
[04:50] isaacs: hiya, tmpvar 
[04:51] _ry: konobi: ok
[04:52] CIA-77: node: 03Ryan Dahl 07master * ra258992 10/ src/node.cc : Depreciation process.unloop() - http://bit.ly/bN3EBi
[04:52] _ry: konobi:done
[04:53] dandean: hello! I just did: git pull, then make, and it blew up with this message: "The project was not configured: run "waf configure" first!".  I didn't have to do that the first time I installed node. Any pointers?
[04:53] tmpvar: ./configure
[04:53] dandean: ahhh! duh. thanks
[04:53] tmpvar: make && sudo make install
[04:55] konobi: _ry: I'm also getting a weird error with node... where the only info I get is "node.js:758:9"
[04:56] tmpvar: sounds like you are throwing a non new Error()
[04:56] tmpvar: (could be wrong though)
[04:56] _ry: konobi: yes throwing a non Error
[04:57] _ry: konobi: that use to still give a nice error message though
[04:57] _ry: i wonder what changed
[04:57] _ry: i should add a test for that..
[04:57] konobi: yup, that fixed it
[04:57] tmpvar: dunno, i experienced that a couple days ago
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[04:59] konobi: hhhmmm... now to work out how up update a submodule
[04:59] tmpvar: konobi, what are you working on?
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[05:00] konobi: tmpvar: some internal-ish tools
[05:00] konobi: amqp, etc.
[05:00] tmpvar: ah
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[05:00] _ry: konobi: just like normal - git pull; git checkout net2
[05:01] tmpvar: net2 is deprecated, no?
[05:01] _ry: well - it never was 
[05:01] _ry: :)
[05:01] konobi: _ry: submodules are headless, so there's nothing to pull against, iirc
[05:01] tmpvar: ha, i thought about that after i said it.. 
[05:02] _ry: konobi: within the submodule dir it's a normal git repo
[05:02] _ry: konobi: but from outside it's just a commit reference
[05:03] _ry: i think
[05:03] _ry: :)
[05:03] tmpvar: man, logs would be great if they were searchable
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[05:04] _ry: 
ACTION away

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[05:19] konobi: sys is gone too?
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[05:31] ryanmcgrath: Anybody know what an ideal way to get the equivalent of ~ in Node would be?
[05:31] ryanmcgrath: i.e, I'm trying to generically target the home directory
[05:41] _ry: konobi: no, it's there
[05:41] _ry: ryanmcgrath: $HOME ?
[05:42] _ry: ryanmcgrath: process.env.HOME
[05:42] ryanmcgrath: Mmm, thanks
[05:50] dmpk2k: Is there a way to set a timeout on an http.ClientRequest?
[05:52] ryanmcgrath: What's an optimal way to check the permissions of a file in Node?
[05:54] tmpvar: fs.stat i believe
[05:54] tmpvar: ryanmcgrath, ^
[05:54] tmpvar: dmpk2k, what do you mean?
[05:55] ryanmcgrath: Eh, I'm somewhat confused, I'll admit - the "mode" that's reported by fs.stat, what exactly is that?
[05:56] ryanmcgrath: Like, how does it relate to something like 755, 666, etc?
[05:56] ryanmcgrath: And I apologize if I'm polluting the room with useless questions. XD
[05:56] konobi: _ry: yeah... just having some trouble updating the submodule (from within the top level git repo)
[05:57] brainproxy: how's the biggie coming?
[05:57] tmpvar: design stages 
[05:58] tmpvar: konobi, if you drop into the sub modules dir, you should be able to run git pull, no?
[05:58] dmpk2k: ryanmcgrath: take a look at man 2 stat, or check out some of the number attributes in the process object.
[05:59] dmpk2k: tmpvar: I'm trying to make an HTTP connection from node.js. I'd like to change the default timeout from 60s to 10s.
[05:59] brainproxy: will it be something lightweight along the lines of sinatra, or even gunning for something with a ton of plugins like rails?
[05:59] ryanmcgrath: dmpk2k: Thanks
[06:00] konobi: tmpvar: yes... but as soon as you run git submodule init; and git submodule update; it reverts back to the commit where it was added
[06:00] konobi: btw... when I watchFile with an interval, it fires after that interval... even though the file hasn't changed... that seem odd?
[06:01] tmpvar: damn, honestly im in over my head :P
[06:03] dmpk2k: Man, node.js makes a great anti-proxy scanner.
[06:07] ryanmcgrath: Does fs.chmod act recursively? I'm guess not, but I figured I'd ask.
[06:11] konobi: ah... think i worked it out
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[06:17] Tim_Smart: brainproxy: Currently I'm look at the ORM design
[06:17] Tim_Smart: *looking
[06:17] Tim_Smart: for biggie-orm
[06:20] konobi: ah... for some reason fs.Stat(mtime) is giving me "Fri Mar 05 2010 18:00:56 GMT-0800 (PST)" instead of "2009-06-29T11:11:40Z"
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[06:36] brainproxy: Tim_Smart: cool
[06:37] brainproxy: I wish I could help, but I'm more a user of web frameworks (likes RoR and Sinatra), but wouldn't know how to go about building one, at least not yet
[06:37] brainproxy: I am using node.js for a project though
[06:37] brainproxy: in fact it's a central piece
[06:37] brainproxy: coupled to redis
[06:38] brainproxy: but I'm not doing a lot of fancy, high level stuff w/ node; it's basically acting as a broker for a lot of xhr
[06:38] brainproxy: as bibbie develops, I'll definitely be intereted in taking it for a spin to see if I can use it to replace other stuff
[06:39] brainproxy: *biggie
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[06:51] _ry: it's so quiet on friday night :)
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[06:55] Tim_Smart: _ry: Saturday night here :p
[06:56] Tim_Smart: brainproxy: Well, there is bound to be some more trivial work to be done
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[07:01] konobi: _ry: any luck on the execname stuff or still pondering?
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[07:52] _ry: konobi: no - haven't thought about it yet
[07:53] _ry: i'm coding the piece of code that will solve all of my problems
[07:53] _ry: (a better tcp.Connection object)
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[09:04] konobi: _ry: a relocatable node would be a major boon i would think
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[11:09] unomi: relocatable in what sense?
[11:09] unomi: konobi: 
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[11:43] piranha_: http://paste.in.ua/416/ any ideas why?
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[15:47] maushu: Woah, weird. Since yesterday 136 unique persons visit my website, and I did nothing.
[15:47] maushu: Maybe because I placed it on github? Probably.
[15:47] maushu: Makes me wonder where people get so much free time to visit random websites.
[15:52] maushu: Who the heck is 173.208.34.253 and why does he keep ident'ing me.
[15:56] inimino: 253.34.208.173.in-addr.arpa. 14400 inimino PTRbuilding7.us.afternet.org.
[15:57] inimino: wtf
[15:57] inimino: that's "IN" not "inimino"
[15:57] ashb: tab :)
[15:58] inimino: tab-complete + tab-separated values = paste fail
[16:02] tisba: tab completion ftw ;)
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[16:11] embwbam: Is there an easy way to read a file a line at a time without coding it myself?
[16:11] embwbam: I can't read the whole file because it's huge
[16:13] inimino: embwbam: I have an API that returns files line by line in fileIO
[16:13] inimino: http://inimino.org/~inimino/blog/fileio_v0.2
[16:13] embwbam: thanks
[16:15] inimino: streamLines is the function, the documentation is here: http://boshi.inimino.org/3box/asof/1267132336815/fileIO/doc/streams
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[16:16] inimino: and it's probably a little unfamiliar of an API style, probably not to everyone's taste, and could be unstable...
[16:17] embwbam: haha... nice
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[16:20] jashkenas: If I'm getting a "Bad file descriptor" error, (which doesn't include a callstack) is there some good way to debug it, other than adding print() all over?
[16:20] inimino: jashkenas: why isn't there a stack trace?
[16:20] jashkenas: Error: Bad file descriptor
[16:20] jashkenas:     at node.js:758:9
[16:20] jashkenas: I think because it's at the top of the event loop
[16:21] jashkenas: Right as node comes back from attempting to read or write a file.
[16:21] inimino: oh, interesting
[16:21] jashkenas: It would be lovely if the error message contained the name of the file in question, though.
[16:23] jashkenas: inimino: it gets better -- if I add a "puts(source)" right before the loop that goes and works on all the files in parallel, it fixes the bug.
[16:23] jashkenas: There must be some race condition with a shared variable.
[16:23] inimino: that line is process.loop()
[16:24] inimino: that definitely shouldn't be crashing, maybe you can put together a test case
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[16:28] jashkenas: inimino: I'm having a hard time reproducing it reliably, because of the print statement weirdness and the fact that all though most of the time I get that error, some of the time it succeeds.
[16:28] jashkenas: Here's the main method that gets called for each source file:
[16:28] jashkenas: http://gist.github.com/323781
[16:28] jashkenas: If I uncomment that "p source", the error never happens, and all is well.
[16:30] inimino: coffeescript?
[16:30] jashkenas: yep
[16:32] jashkenas: printing out the exception object itself adds: "close failed in file object destructor:
[16:32] jashkenas: Error in sys.excepthook:"
[16:34] inimino: hm, maybe you can make something reproducable if you open a bunch of files in parallel in a loop and then close them all
[16:34] inimino: or call readFile
[16:37] jashkenas: think I might have found it. Does process.stdio.write() only take strings of a certain length?
[16:38] inimino: it shouldn't
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[17:32] _ry: hello
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[17:42] creationix: _ry: hello
[17:42] creationix: I'm starting to get the hang of this c stuff
[17:43] creationix: the initial learning curve is rough, but it's a lot like any other language after that, just lower level
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[18:00] embwbam: how can I get the current directory of the file itself? Like ruby's File.join(File.dirname(__FILE__))
[18:00] creationix: embwbam: __dirname
[18:00] creationix: and __filename for the current file
[18:00] embwbam: if the executing code is in a library file, does that point to the library file or the file that included it?
[18:01] creationix: the library file I think
[18:01] embwbam: great
[18:01] creationix: argv[0] should be the executing file
[18:01] creationix: process.argv
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[18:04] creationix: actually it's process.argv[1], I forget that [0] is the node binary
[18:05] embwbam: hmm…. http://gist.github.com/323832 - works great if I run it
[18:06] embwbam: but if I include it, this.DataDir just has "../../../data"
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[18:06] embwbam: var info = require("./info")
[18:07] embwbam: sys.puts(info.DataDir)
[18:07] embwbam: any ideas?
[18:07] jviereck: hello
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[18:08] jviereck: could someone tell me where the path() function is defined used in node_file.cc?
[18:08] jviereck: like in String::Utf8Value path(args[0]->ToString());
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[18:10] embwbam: Ah, but the ../ are correct according to the including file… that will work then
[18:11] creationix: embwbam: I guess __dirname isn't always absolute then
[18:11] embwbam: no, but it does resolve to the right directory
[18:11] embwbam: sys.puts(__dirname) in the lib file resolves to the relative path to the lib file
[18:11] embwbam: good enough
[18:12] embwbam: I don't suppose there is an expand_path function built in
[18:12] creationix: noclue
[18:12] embwbam: thanks for your help
[18:14] creationix: you're welcome
[18:36] _ry: making software fast is hard :/
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[19:06] embwbam: _ry: not with node!
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[19:35] jviereck: _ry: can you help me with my problem?
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[20:08] ashb: jviereck: not if you dont say what it is
[20:08] ashb: f you have a question just ask it, don't ask to ask.
[20:08] jviereck: ashb: I've posted it earlier
[20:08] jviereck: String::Utf8Value path(args[0]->ToString());
[20:08] jviereck: I wonder where the path function comes from
[20:08] ashb: tried grepping?
[20:09] jviereck: you mean if I have looked for the declaration?
[20:09] ashb: yes
[20:09] jviereck: I did :(
[20:09] jviereck: included the whole node project to textmate, search for it, but couldn't find it
[20:10] ashb: what file is that in?
[20:10] jviereck: also, I looked through the header files included in node_file.cc
[20:10] jviereck: node_file.cc
[20:11] ashb: oh its not a fn call
[20:11] ashb: its a variable.
[20:11] ashb: called with the default ctor
[20:11] ashb: C++
[20:11] ashb: *non-default
[20:12] jviereck: is there a certain name for this so I can look it up?
[20:12] ashb: a C++ reference
[20:12] ashb: its sort of like doing:
[20:12] ashb: String::Utf8Value path = String::Utf8Value(args[0]->ToString());
[20:12] ashb: except that would create twop and call the assignment operator
[20:12] ashb: *two
[20:13] jviereck: ahh, I see!
[20:14] jviereck: so, you just initialize the variable path with that line?
[20:14] ashb: yup
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[20:14] jviereck: arg, it's that simple if you know the answer
[20:14] jviereck: thanks a lot ashb
[20:14] ashb: i should have noticed when you asked before
[20:14] ashb: but well I was inbetween games :D
[20:14] jviereck: :D
[20:15] maushu: gf3, your bot doesn't work correctly with some servers. I think it sends its channel command too soon. I had that problem too.
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[21:01] sveisvei: 
ACTION off playing bfbc2

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[21:22] blastbyte: is forEach() async?
[21:22] blastbyte: Array.forEach()
[21:22] blastbyte: can't be
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[21:23] Tim_Smart: blastbyte: Nope
[21:23] Tim_Smart: Async is only need for things like IO and timers
[21:24] Tim_Smart: *things
[21:24] drostie: blastbyte: technically nothing in javascript is truly asynchronous. Although that's a de facto convention and not written in any spec that I know of.
[21:25] drostie: blastbyte: that's why there's no need for a synchronized keyword. :D
[21:25] blastbyte: drostie: yeah :-)
[21:26] embwbam: I just want to say - if the contributors to node and V8 are in here - you guys rock! 
[21:26] drostie: they do. srsly.
[21:27] embwbam: I wrote a pattern-matching file-splitting script… It matches the speed of split -p, and beats awk and csplit by about a factor of 5-6
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[22:07] konobi: _ry: ping
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[22:17] _ry: konobi: pong
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[22:19] konobi: _ry: is there an easy way to add a reconnect interval to amqp?
[22:19] _ry: konobi: like wait a few seconds and then reconnect?
[22:19] konobi: _ry: btw... I'm working today... quite a bit of it on node stuff, so I might have a few questions
[22:19] konobi: _ry: yup... otherwise it just goes as quickly as it can... which is sub-optimal
[22:20] konobi: also have a few other feature requests =0)
[22:20] _ry: konobi: if you look at emitter.js it does that
[22:20] _ry: from gzone_heartbeat
[22:21] _ry: konobi: i'm around - trying to merge binary stuff into master
[22:22] konobi: hhhmmm... no emitter.js in my checkout
[22:22] konobi: _ry: feature requests... daemonizing and a core getopt_long library =0)
[22:23] _ry: konobi: yeah those are good requests
[22:23] _ry: konobi: sorry heartbeater.js
[22:24] _ry: konobi: basically set a timeout in the 'close' event - the call connection.connect()
[22:24] _ry: er connection.reconnect()
[22:25] konobi: oh... i see... i'm doing it a _little_ differently here
[22:25] konobi: hhhhmmm...
[22:28] voodootikigod_: hey _ry
[22:28] voodootikigod_: dont stress the hacker news trolls
[22:28] _ry: voodootikigod_: hey
[22:29] voodootikigod_: they hate everything
[22:29] konobi: k... that's working
[22:29] _ry: voodootikigod_: thanks :)
[22:29] voodootikigod_: its hard i know
[22:29] voodootikigod_: but its best to never respond
[22:29] konobi: eh?
[22:29] voodootikigod_: and let them just sit there
[22:30] voodootikigod_: advice I wish I actually abided by
[22:30] voodootikigod_: :)
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[22:30] voodootikigod_: birfday dinner
[22:30] voodootikigod_: adios
[22:30] _ry: ciao
[22:30] _ry: konobi: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1171053
[22:30] konobi: _ry: can I confirm what "persistent" means in watchFile and what watchFile does in the scenario where the file doesn't exist?
[22:31] _ry: persistent?
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[22:31] _ry: oh i se
[22:32] _ry: yeah, i guess the docs don't say at all what that means :)
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[22:33] _ry: so - persistent=false means that if no other i/o is happening the process will exit
[22:33] _ry: i.e. that 'watchFile' shouldn't count as i/o
[22:34] _ry: if a file doesn't exist, i think it returns an empty stat struct
[22:34] _ry: s/struct/object/
[22:34] konobi: gd gd
[22:35] _ry: hm. 
[22:35] _ry: well you'll have to test it
[22:35] _ry: i'm not sure
[22:35] konobi: i testing seems to suggest that's what happens
[22:35] konobi: _ry: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/40389
[22:35] konobi: all look sensible?
[22:36] konobi: quite pleased with how it all goes together
[22:36] konobi: (this is a hacked version of robs code)
[22:37] konobi: if there's no config file, it'll wait around until there is one... if the config file appears, it'll use that to connect... if the config file changes, it'll shutdown the connection and reconnect
[22:38] konobi: though I'm not sure if just setting the connection to null is sufficient to make it disconnect
[22:39] konobi: also, if it gets disconnected for any reason, it'll reconnect
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[22:40] _ry: konobi: nice
[22:40] _ry: style nic: var connectionReadyHandle = function(connection) {
[22:40] _ry: function connectionReadyHandle (connection) { 
[22:40] _ry: ^-- same
[22:42] konobi: that was rob's code
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[22:43] konobi: would be nice if you could close() without emitting a "close" event
[22:43] _ry: hm
[22:43] _ry: yeah- i think so too
[22:44] _ry: getting the symmantics correct for how these streams should work is difficult
[22:44] konobi: maybe a disconnect()
[22:44] _ry: http://wiki.github.com/ry/node/streams
[22:45] konobi: can you remove a listener?
[22:45] _ry: konobi: i think forceClose() will work
[22:45] konobi: nah, bailed horrifically for me
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[22:46] _ry: yes, removeListener
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[22:47] konobi: that may be sufficient
[22:49] konobi: yeah... that worked nicely
[22:50] embwbam: Is it just me, or do none of the web frameworks work
[22:50] embwbam: ?
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[22:52] embwbam: I'm hacking on both picard and express, and needing to change both
[22:58] maushu: embwbam, node is rapidly changing. Some frameworks can't keep up.
[22:58] embwbam: yeah :) it's a good thing to complain about
[22:58] embwbam: I think I got picard running
[23:00] tmpvar: hrm, I'm finding myself in a weird position with this fbp stuff
[23:04] tmpvar: its working, but i have a feeling thats only because of the simplicity of my tests heh
[23:06] embwbam: 2606 requests per second… I'm sure it's old news to everybody else, but I continue to be impressed
[23:07] tmpvar: not terrible :)
[23:08] embwbam: yeah, I've seen worse
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[23:09] atmos: anyone using Mu successfully ?
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[23:20] ashb: _ry: var x = fun and fun x aren't always the same
[23:21] ashb: the later is hoisted
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[23:42] _ry: ashb: var is hoisted too - or?
[23:43] _ry: oh i guess not
[23:43] ashb: var x = funciton(){}; is not hoisted
[23:43] ashb: the defn of the var is
[23:43] ashb: but the assignment happens on the line
[23:43] _ry: okay good to know
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[23:44] ashb: most of the time it doens't make any difference
[23:44] ashb: but some times it might
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[23:52] creationix: _ry: evcom is having build issues on sparc
[23:52] creationix: evcom.c:1300: error: `PF_LOCAL' undeclared (first use in this function)
[23:54] creationix: I think I can just replace PF_LOCAL with PF_UNIX and be good right?
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[23:54] creationix: also it's saying 
[23:54] creationix: evcom.c:143: warning: implicit declaration of function `bzero'
[23:56] kriskowal: _ry in both cases, the declarations are hoisted.  in function statements, the assignment is also hoisted.  for var, the assignment occurs in place.
[23:56] kriskowal: oh, ashb covered it
[23:57] kriskowal: meanwhile, vimeo is almost done processing your ssjs talk
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