[00:03] inimino: elliottcable: I am working on an ECMAScript parser, you could do some preprocessing pretty easily
[00:04] inimino: 
ACTION is planning to support some 'new syntax' stuff from Mozilla JS by translation into plain ES3/5 eventually

[00:04] inimino: ashb: ping
[00:04] ashb: inimino: yo
[00:04] ashb: got a parser for me? :D
[00:05] ashb: a lot of the ES5 things can be bootstrapped in by node
[00:05] inimino: yeah, I made a little demo :)
[00:05] ashb: (i.e. they are possible in C++ code, and you just have to bind that to JS space
[00:05] ashb: cool! lets see?
[00:05] inimino: sure
[00:06] inimino: http://boshi.inimino.org/3box/PEG/build/demo.html
[00:06] inimino: probably only works in Firefox, if that
[00:06] inimino: I'm going to build a demo for the ES5 grammar I have, but that's a project for another day
[00:07] ashb: how easy is it to type the ← char?
[00:07] inimino: the actual code is all dumped in one file, a fair amount of which is generated code... I don't really have a proper build system for any of this yet
[00:07] inimino: oh, pretty easy
[00:07] inimino: well, it depends on your editor
[00:08] ashb: nice
[00:08] ashb: (it does run in FF. not in safari)
[00:08] inimino: I have an editor that allows Unicode input by typing 'U' followed by hex, and then you hit 'x' after that to magically convert it
[00:08] inimino: not surprising
[00:08] inimino: I'll clean it up over the next few weeks and get it in better shape... this is the first I've released any of it, so it's super-alpha
[00:10] ashb: does the PEG parse itself?
[00:10] ashb: i.e. you parse the PEG input with a PEG?
[00:10] ashb: (all the coolest tools are self hosting)
[00:10] inimino: also that's all served by my little node instance and my buggy as hell httpd so don't be surprised if it all goes away ;)
[00:10] ashb: >_>
[00:10] inimino: ashb: yes
[00:10] ashb: win.
[00:10] inimino: yeah
[00:11] ashb: inimino: i like it.
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[00:12] inimino: cool :)
[00:12] inimino: I want to get my ES5 grammar going again and benchmark it in v8
[00:12] ashb: (i'd probably end up allowing '<-' tho)
[00:12] inimino: I only tested it in Firefox last time
[00:13] inimino: yeah, I'd planned on adding an ASCII syntax too
[00:13] ashb: using hte unicode arrow is cool for showing off tho
[00:13] inimino: hehe
[00:13] inimino: the PEG grammar itself could probably use some more thought, I don't think it's set in stone or anything
[00:14] aeosynth: any idea when node will support 64 bit architectures?
[00:14] ashb: aeosynth: it should do already, no?
[00:14] ashb: v8 does now anyway i thought
[00:14] aeosynth: ashb: make test fails for me
[00:14] inimino: (it's here: http://boshi.inimino.org/3box/PEG/PEG.peg)
[00:14] inimino: some, anyway
[00:14] inimino: which 64-bit architecture would that be?
[00:14] aeosynth: ubuntu
[00:15] inimino: that's an OS
[00:15] aeosynth: ok, amd 64
[00:15] ashb: x86_64 is the only 64bit that ubuntu supports
[00:15] ashb: (amd and x86_64 are basically the same thing)
[00:15] inimino: I mean what CPU are you using?
[00:15] inimino: ok
[00:15] ashb: ϵ
[00:15] ashb: / ϵ
[00:15] ashb: is cool
[00:15] ashb: >_>
[00:16] inimino: "Linux systems that use IA-32 or ARM processors" quoth http://code.google.com/apis/v8/
[00:16] inimino: cool :)
[00:16] ashb: i thought the added 64bit support
[00:17] ashb: aeosynth: use flusspferd - we support 64bit </poach>
[00:17] ashb: no cool event loop stuff (yet) tho
[00:17] Connorhd: aeosynth, what fails?
[00:17] aeosynth: i just reran make test
[00:18] aeosynth: hopefully this won't get me kicked
[00:18] Connorhd: pastebin :P
[00:18] aeosynth: right, i should try that
[00:18] aeosynth: 1 sec
[00:18] inimino: yes :)
[00:19] aeosynth: ok - 
[00:19] aeosynth: argh! terminals
[00:19] aeosynth: http://pastebin.com/d67529e9
[00:19] inimino: ashb: the stuff most likely to change is the numerous ways of specifying characters and ranges, some of the stuff like "[U+005C]" isn't fully baked
[00:19] Connorhd: you need apachebench for that test
[00:19] inimino: aeosynth: looks like your platform isn't the problem
[00:19] Connorhd: the rest of them passed, its fine
[00:20] ashb: inimino: kk
[00:20] aeosynth: oh ok, cool
[00:20] aeosynth: guess i was worried for  nothing :)
[00:20] ashb: inimino: anything about classes or properties on the resulting nodes (like treetop) does?
[00:20] inimino: apt-get install apache-utils (or something like that)
[00:20] inimino: ashb: that's also extremely likely to change :-)
[00:20] inimino: ashb: what the output format should be I really don't know yet
[00:20] ashb: :D
[00:21] ashb: still you've done most of hte hard work of getting it parsing and generating
[00:21] inimino: ashb: but when I was parsing jQuery with my ES5 grammar on the client side I was getting back really big trees so I optimized for memory
[00:21] ashb: you've written an ES5 grammar too?
[00:22] ashb: inimino: is this on github yet?
[00:22] inimino: currently nodes are stored as arrays tagged by integer, like [14,<child nodes>]
[00:22] inimino: ashb: yeah, I have an ES5 grammar
[00:22] inimino: ashb: no, I don't use github
[00:22] inimino: I do use git though, or did until fairly recently
[00:23] ashb: inimino: instances of strings shouldn'y use up more memory for repeated use btw
[00:23] ashb: strings are immutable singletons
[00:23] inimino: yeah, so I would have thought
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[00:23] inimino: I also thought creating new strings that are subsets of old strings wouldn't allocate more space
[00:23] ashb: certainyl is the case in SM
[00:24] JimBastard: sup Connorhd
[00:24] ashb: i assume 14 in that example was a type not a number of child nodes?
[00:24] inimino: this turned out not to be the case
[00:24] inimino: ashb: yeah, the parse node type, just an index into the list of rules in the input PEG
[00:24] Connorhd: errm, nothing? :P
[00:24] ashb: inimino: ah
[00:25] JimBastard: i've made a whole bunch of additions to your node_debug, you wanna take a look?
[00:25] JimBastard: :-)
[00:25] inimino: ashb: if that's supposed to be the case in SM, I may have hit a bug or something
[00:25] Connorhd: oh, where?
[00:25] JimBastard: ill pm
[00:25] inimino: ashb: but I had code that relied on that and it ended up taking O(n^2) space much to my chagrin
[00:26] ashb: inimino: i thought it was anyway
[00:26] ashb: i've not acutally checked for sure
[00:26] inimino: me neither
[00:27] inimino: lots of this stuff is optional code paths in the code I have, so it'll be easy to experiment with stuff, and try optimizing for various engines, etc
[00:27] inimino: ashb: if you have any specific ideas on parse tree output format, that would be cool
[00:28] ashb: inimino: not really.
[00:28] ashb: not yet anyway
[00:28] ashb: might do once i start using it in anger tho
[00:28] inimino: ashb: I looked at some of the JSONML stuff that v8 uses for it's ES5 parse tree output, might copy that
[00:28] ashb: (release early, and release often, even if only to a few people)
[00:28] inimino: cool
[00:28] ashb: inimino: yeah JSONML might work
[00:28] inimino: yeah, feels good :)
[00:29] ashb: 'All tests successful'
[00:29] ashb: if only i had more tests :(
[00:29] ashb: eek. need to sleep
[00:29] inimino: heh
[00:30] ashb: last day tomorrow \o/
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[00:30] ashb: (i'm binding a compliant DOM API
[00:30] inimino: "all 0 tests successful"?
[00:30] inimino: ooh
[00:30] ashb: so that i can use sizzle (jquery's selector engine) on teh servorz
[00:30] inimino: ah, cool
[00:31] ashb: kinda like env.js i guess
[00:31] ashb: but HTML parsing too. and backed onto a full XML engine
[00:32] inimino: yeah
[00:32] ashb: using a C++ library that will wrap expat, libxml2, Xerces or MSXML
[00:32] inimino: ah, like XPath and such?
[00:32] inimino: ah, nice
[00:32] ashb: yeah
[00:32] inimino: 
ACTION misses XPath

[00:32] inimino: it's the only thing from the entire XML ecosystem I miss, but I do miss it
[00:32] ashb: i've not bound hte xpath part yet tho
[00:33] inimino: ok
[00:33] ashb: first is basic dom
[00:33] ashb: then i need to think about maybe getting the DOM compliance tests
[00:33] ashb: but the W3C ones (even the JS ones) are bit shit insanely written
[00:33] inimino: yeah
[00:33] inimino: ah
[00:34] ashb: they are in some weird form where they are XSLT transformed into JAva and JS
[00:34] inimino: moz and webkit probably have some too
[00:34] inimino: eww
[00:34] ashb: moz have the W3C ones mostly
[00:34] ashb: maybe a few others
[00:35] ashb: need to double check tho
[00:35] inimino: DOM supporting Java has made the Web so much uglier
[00:35] inimino: maybe Opera too, though I can't remember how much of their testing stuff was ever public
[00:36] ashb: oh. and it just occurs to me i've not wrapped the exception objects properly yet
[00:36] ashb: so you just get a normal Error thrown instead of a DOMException object
[00:36] ashb: but eh :D
[00:36] inimino: heh
[00:37] inimino: well, holiday time for me, bbl
[00:37] ashb: byew
[00:53] JimBastard: does anyone wanna to build something node_drop where a method is exposed that will load a JS assett from a (relative filepath, url, absolute filepath)
[00:53] JimBastard: something like*
[01:12] yurivish: is there any way to know when the client has cancelled the page-load request?
[01:12] yurivish: if I'm loading a page that doesn't immediately call .finish(), and then I hit the browser's stop button
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[02:14] JimBastard: whats up party people
[02:16] elliottcable: awesomeness
[02:16] elliottcable: shit
[02:16] elliottcable: I just spent an hour hitting on some older woman
[02:17] elliottcable: and *completely* forgot to finish jessc!
[02:17] elliottcable: 
ACTION goes to hack

[02:17] JimBastard: check it out http://maraksquires.com:8080/ node_debug
[02:17] JimBastard: just added some optional firebug logging
[02:19] JimBastard: multiple clients accessing the node_debug will get broadcasted every elses debug.log() calls
[02:19] JimBastard: so its a running image of the server
[02:21] JimBastard: anyone?
[02:22] elliottcable: anyone?
[02:22] elliottcable: someone.
[02:27] Connorhd: firebug logging?
[02:34] JimBastard: yeah i added the debug.log() from debug.js
[02:34] JimBastard: the client-side one
[02:34] JimBastard: so it just kinda dumps stuff in the console if its there
[02:34] JimBastard: gtg
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[04:33] JimBastard: sup party people
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[04:37] JimBastard: is there a good node.js performance test? so i can compare how my hardware is doing to others
[04:38] inimino: node --quake-demo
[04:38] JimBastard: for real?
[04:39] inimino: no
[04:39] inimino: but if you want to implement it that would be nice
[04:39] JimBastard: i need something simple
[04:40] JimBastard: are there unit tests
[04:40] JimBastard: http://four.livejournal.com/1019177.html
[04:40] JimBastard: i have an idea..!!
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[04:48] gwoo: elliottcable: sounds like you need to get your priorities straight ;)
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[06:23] inimino: gwoo: is that in reference to the hitting-on-women-vs-hacking thing or the acquire-vs-securable-modules thing?
[06:24] gwoo: modules of course ;)
[06:25] JimBastard: check it out
[06:25] JimBastard: http://maraksquires.com:8080/
[06:25] JimBastard: but if you click shut down server, its gonna stop working
[06:26] JimBastard: the log is shared among all instances
[06:26] JimBastard: i can send you guys messages
[06:26] inimino: heh
[06:26] inimino: 'shut down server' eh?
[06:26] JimBastard: :p
[06:26] JimBastard: look at the snippets
[06:26] JimBastard: i got apache ab hooked into it
[06:27] JimBastard: its uber unsecure now
[06:27] inimino: I should add that to all my Web apps ;)
[06:27] JimBastard: did you see my messages
[06:27] JimBastard: you can talk in the log by debug.log()
[06:27] inimino: hehe
[06:27] inimino: "don't push this button"
[06:27] inimino: I do
[06:27] inimino: ah
[06:27] JimBastard: history and snippets work
[06:28] JimBastard: are you leet enough to message me back?
[06:28] JimBastard: yhee hee
[06:28] JimBastard: so yeah, its running as root
[06:28] JimBastard: i killed it
[06:28] JimBastard: ahah
[06:29] JimBastard: pretty cool though right
[06:29] inimino: hm, 
[06:29] inimino: oh I thought I killed it
[06:29] inimino: yeah, very cool
[06:29] JimBastard: any suggestions for what to do next? im gonna probaly do a screencast tommorow
[06:30] JimBastard: thinking about node_drop maybe
[06:30] JimBastard: or i could start to build out a file explorer
[06:30] JimBastard: c99 style
[06:30] inimino: what would that be?
[06:30] inimino: (c99 style)?
[06:30] JimBastard: remote administrator tool lol
[06:30] inimino: oh
[06:31] JimBastard: like c99.php
[06:32] inimino: ok, C99 only means a dialect of C to me ;)
[06:32] JimBastard: what you thinking
[06:32] JimBastard: for features
[06:33] inimino: what would node_drop do?
[06:33] JimBastard: a wrapper for require()
[06:34] JimBastard: that would take a bunch of diffirent types of locations and also have the option to inject into DOM of browser
[06:34] JimBastard: so
[06:34] JimBastard: drop('somerandom.js');
[06:34] JimBastard: drop('http://randomserver.com/myjs.js');
[06:34] JimBastard: drop('http://randomserver.com/myjs.js', true);
[06:34] inimino: oh
[06:34] JimBastard: but it was also keep track
[06:34] JimBastard: of what was already dynamically loaded
[06:36] JimBastard: i could also start to add basic session tracking and debug connections
[06:37] JimBastard: so you could know how many instances of the web console were open and who was doing what
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[10:49] halorgium: hey dudes
[10:50] halorgium: i'm trying to find an example of writing to a process i've started with sys.exec
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[10:53] sztanpet: processyouexecd.write(data, encoding) ?
[10:54] halorgium: sys.exec("foo") returns the promise
[10:55] sztanpet: go with process.ChildProcess
[10:55] sztanpet: createChildProcess
[10:56] halorgium: ah, thanks
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[12:29] cmlenz: hey all
[12:29] cmlenz: is it intentional that http.ClientResponse does not emit a "complete" event for responses with an empty body?
[12:29] cmlenz: such as responses to HEAD requests
[12:34] cmlenz: at least that's what I'm seeing in my testing
[12:34] sztanpet: good question, its too early in america i guess so ryah_away might not respond for a time but wondered about that myself
[12:35] ashb: HEAD needs to be special cased
[12:35] ashb: since it has a non-zero Content-Length
[12:35] cmlenz: yeah
[12:35] ashb: but explicitly has no body
[12:41] cmlenz: so that would need to be fixed in http_parser.c?
[12:42] ashb: not sure where in the code
[13:01] jan____: cmlenz: heya :D
[13:06] cmlenz: hi jan____ 
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[13:18] mAritz: Is there any way to donate money to node.js or ryan particularly? He said he'd like to have more money for the development of node.js and I'd like to donate a little to him for the amazing work. But I just can't find a simple way to do so. (like paypal)
[13:19] jan____: mAritz: that's very generous. Ryan is likely still asleep (west coast usa), it's probably best to send him an email.
[13:19] mAritz: hm, okay.
[13:20] mAritz: do you by any chance know what the development status/plan for dbslayer is? can't find much about it except that the last activity on the repository is from july and says "one last fix" :/
[13:21] the_undefined: I hope ryan finds a company that will let him work on node
[13:21] the_undefined: mAritz: no idea, I'm talking to a pool of PHP processes via stdio to do my MySql stuff :)
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[13:21] mAritz: the_undefined: ouch :D
[13:21] the_undefined: it actually works pretty well :)
[13:22] the_undefined: (I don't need a lot of MySql queries luckily ^^)
[13:22] mAritz: isn't the overhead of php a little too much?
[13:22] mAritz: oh, ok :D
[13:22] the_undefined: mAritz: actually, its not much overhead. The PHP script just hangs until it gets a query to execute via stdin
[13:22] the_undefined: and returns the result via stdout
[13:23] the_undefined: it's evil so
[13:23] the_undefined: :)
[13:23] the_undefined: I agree
[13:23] mAritz: The thing about dbslayer is, that I can't find any news/blog entries about it being canned or anything.  And I don't think NYTimes just stopped developing it without any info on it. After all they heavily use it as far as I know.
[13:24] mAritz: wait, you don't actually call the php but have it running all the time? that truly is evil.
[13:24] the_undefined: mAritz: sure, but its the best solution I see right now
[13:24] frodeniu1: nah, fcgi works like that too
[13:25] the_undefined: essentially its the same thing as dbslayer
[13:25] the_undefined: only that I interface via stdio rather than http
[13:25] mAritz: you could use something that is more fit for constantly running and listening to stdin... like c/c++ :D
[13:25] the_undefined: mAritz: PHP is actually surprisingly suitable as a long running process
[13:26] the_undefined: unlike ruby it doesn't have much memory leak issues
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[13:26] the_undefined: (or lets say compared to ruby)
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[13:27] the_undefined: anyway, I'm not using PHP because its so awesome ^^. It's just something I already have in my stack and it does the job
[13:27] mAritz: yep
[13:27] the_undefined: the proper solution is a native mysql modul for node, and that will come soon
[13:28] jan____: the_undefined: yes, I really hope ryan will be able to work on node.js full time
[13:28] jan____: the_undefined: PHP is full of leaks, too :)
[13:28] mAritz: soon as in "a few weeks" or as in "when it's done" or as in "right after duke nukem forever"
[13:28] the_undefined: jan____: probably. I did some experiments with writing daemons in PHP and while I can't say that those turned out to be very pretty, they were running for weeks without leaking memory
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[13:29] the_undefined: mAritz: "soon" as in "lots of people want it so it has good chances to get tackled"
[13:29] the_undefined: actually I migh look into lib drizzle over the weekend
[13:29] jan____: the_undefined: yes, you can make it work, but then, even the compiler makes leaky assumptions :0
[13:29] sztanpet: there are some shitty modules for php, but the stock ones are usually rock solid
[13:30] the_undefined: maybe I can get something started and have better people help out as they can't stand watching me screwing something important like this up
[13:30] sztanpet: were running some simple long-running proccesses and had no problem yet
[13:30] the_undefined: My main problem with PHP is that literally all the smart people have stopped using it, all the innovative stuff is written in ruby
[13:31] mAritz: hmmm... what does that tell us? :D
[13:31] jan____: the_undefined: ack. and now (node.)js :)
[13:31] sztanpet: for good reason tho, i cant say im not happier when im done for the day in php :D
[13:31] the_undefined: I think most people picked up ruby for the wrong reasons, they just looked at rails and assumed anything in rails land must be über-awesome
[13:31] the_undefined: it could just as well have been python
[13:31] the_undefined: or io
[13:31] the_undefined: or lua
[13:31] the_undefined: or whatever
[13:31] sztanpet: javascript annoys me too though, im liking lua the most
[13:32] sztanpet: very clean, very simple very focused
[13:32] the_undefined: (I actually like ruby a lot these days, but the biggest reason is all the awesome stuff other people have already written for me)
[13:32] [k2]: keetology
[13:32] [k2]: oops, wrong window. x)
[13:32] the_undefined: sztanpet: yeah, lua seems nice
[13:33] the_undefined: anyway, forget the past, time for node ;)
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[19:21] hug: frodbot: help.
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[19:31] frodenius: oh
[19:31] frodenius: someone found my readme... :/ should change it until the bot's up
[19:33] inimino: the googlebot has found URLs I didn't even know I had
[19:33] JimBastard: sounds painful
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[19:35] inimino: 
ACTION considers what to work on

[19:35] inimino: maybe I should make my nhttpd close the file descriptors it opens
[19:35] JimBastard: hey inimino
[19:35] JimBastard: why dont you halp me a bit with some code snippets
[19:35] inimino: JimBastard: yes?
[19:36] JimBastard: http://maraksquires.com:8080/
[19:36] JimBastard: im about to do a screen cast
[19:36] JimBastard: check out the snippets
[19:36] inimino: like what?
[19:36] inimino: ah
[19:36] JimBastard:  sys.exec('ab -kc 10 -t 30 http://localhost/').addCallback(function (stdout, stderr) {   debug.log(stdout); });
[19:37] JimBastard: debug.log() now works client-side and server-side
[19:37] JimBastard: i gotta rework the innards of the ajax, but its a good start
[19:37] inimino: just ran that one
[19:37] inimino: cool
[19:37] JimBastard: notice it debugs the promise first
[19:37] JimBastard: then eventually drops in the result
[19:38] JimBastard: need to add some connection information as well
[19:38] JimBastard: so we know how many people are connected to the instance through a debug console
[19:38] inimino: yeah
[19:38] inimino: window resizing is a little off
[19:39] inimino: yeah, and some sort of authentication maybe
[19:39] JimBastard: session
[19:39] JimBastard: that goes with connection manager
[19:39] inimino: ok
[19:39] JimBastard: so like everyone who hits the http will get a guest session that they are stuck with, unless they authenticate
[19:39] JimBastard: you know how to do session code?
[19:40] JimBastard: openid would probaly be a good idea
[19:40] inimino: is there supposed to be a way to create snippets?
[19:40] inimino: openID is probably a little heavy unless someone already wrote that for node
[19:40] inimino: otherwise, maybe I'll write it
[19:40] inimino: I need it pretty soon anyway
[19:40] inimino: has it been done?
[19:41] JimBastard: snippets are currently hard coded into JSON document
[19:41] JimBastard: crud handler for json docs would be nice
[19:41] JimBastard: but i dont really care about that right now
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[19:41] inimino: ok
[19:41] inimino: I want to write a little JSON editor too
[19:41] inimino: but it's not a priority
[19:42] JimBastard: i've got a lot little snippets already for things similiar to that
[19:42] JimBastard: rich JS ui
[19:42] JimBastard: JS IDE
[19:42] JimBastard: i figure the debug is the right place to start
[19:42] inimino: I am building something like that :)
[19:42] inimino: yeah, debug is good
[19:42] JimBastard: caus without being able to manage node.js instances from a web console
[19:42] JimBastard: whats the fucking point
[19:43] inimino: hehe
[19:43] JimBastard: i need node_drop
[19:43] JimBastard: and node_session
[19:43] JimBastard: really
[19:43] JimBastard: and if node_session used openid somehow that would be good
[19:43] inimino: I manage mine by doing PUTs and POSTS from localhost
[19:43] inimino: would be from any browser if I had some user auth
[19:43] inimino: exactly
[19:44] inimino: so does anybody have some OpenID code in JavaScript?
[19:44] inimino: maybe I could do that over the weekend, I don't remember how complex OpenID is exactly
[19:44] JimBastard: http://openid-selector.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/demo.html
[19:44] JimBastard: ?
[19:45] JimBastard: well fuck that for a second
[19:45] JimBastard: local sessions need to work first
[19:45] JimBastard: i looked through the code for express and couldnt really find any session stuff it seemed all stubbed out
[19:45] JimBastard: are you familiar with setting up a session token and unique id
[19:45] inimino: that looks like it's just a UI thing, doesn't actually *do* anything
[19:46] inimino: oh sessions, yeah
[19:46] inimino: somebody must have done that by now
[19:46] inimino: what's express?
[19:47] JimBastard: some nodejs framework
[19:47] inimino: oh, haven't seen it I guess
[19:47] JimBastard: chat server demo has them i bet, but its probaly really basic
[19:47] inimino: probably
[19:48] JimBastard: http://github.com/ry/node_chat/blob/master/server.js
[19:48] JimBastard: line 70
[19:48] JimBastard: this is really really basic
[19:48] JimBastard: so we'd need the session functionality from that ripped out and encapuslated as a seperate module
[19:49] JimBastard: and it would need some aspects
[19:49] JimBastard: onSessionStart
[19:49] JimBastard: onSessionEnd
[19:50] inimino: hm, yeah
[19:50] inimino: needs some events yeah
[19:51] JimBastard: it should also work client-side too
[19:51] the_undefined: inimino: I'd love a JSON editor
[19:51] JimBastard: so keep that in mind
[19:51] the_undefined: inimino: I could need that for a project of mine
[19:51] the_undefined: seems like nobody created a decent one so far
[19:51] JimBastard: ive got the perfect place to stick one
[19:51] inimino: the_undefined: ok, I'll move it up a notch
[19:51] inimino: I haven't looked at any of the ones already created though
[19:52] the_undefined: inimino: a jQuery based otherwise dependency-free one wold be nice :)
[19:52] the_undefined: I have, nothing usuable
[19:52] the_undefined: I'm using an embedded bespin editor for now
[19:52] inimino: but basic tree-editors aren't rocket science
[19:52] inimino: ok
[19:52] inimino: yeah, I have my own bare-bones text editor
[19:53] inimino: by bare-bones I mean a textbox in a window :-)
[19:53] mdg: goofy guy
[19:54] JimBastard: i have a pretty good javascript template that does it
[19:54] inimino: I can edit anything on my server by adding ".ed" on the end of the URI
[19:54] JimBastard: microtemplate
[19:54] inimino: s/anything/any text file/
[19:55] JimBastard: the problem is re-rendering chili over and over again for code hightlighting
[19:55] JimBastard: very slow
[19:55] inimino: yeah, that's why I wrote a parser generator :)
[19:55] inimino: standard text highlighting is shit
[19:55] Biscuits: parser generator in JS ?
[19:55] Biscuits: Any code to show ?
[19:55] inimino: Biscuits: yeah
[19:56] Biscuits: Currently doing a languages & compilers course @ uni with haskell, intend to port over some of the stuff I learn to JS
[19:56] JimBastard: haaaaassskkkeeelllll
[19:56] inimino: yeah I put up a little demo yesterday, totally pre-pre-alpha though *digs up link*
[19:56] inimino: Biscuits: oh, coll
[19:56] inimino: cool
[19:57] inimino: Biscuits: it's a PEG packrat parser
[19:57] inimino: http://boshi.inimino.org/3box/PEG/build/demo.html
[19:58] JimBastard: thats cool, too bad i know know PEG
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[19:58] JimBastard: dont know
[19:58] inimino: ah
[19:59] freenode-connect: 
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[19:59] inimino: ashb was talking about adding an LALR-mode too
[19:59] inimino: but PEG is really easy and powerful
[19:59] inimino: unlimited lookahead with linear-time parsing guarantee
[20:00] inimino: and linear memory
[20:00] inimino: tradeoff is large constant factors in memory usage but there is tons of room for optimization there, just needs slightly smarter parser generators :)
[20:01] inimino: JimBastard: yeah so the idea there is to do syntax highlighting with a real parser (so you can highlight /actual syntax/ not just lexical tokens) and an incremental parser that can only reparse what needs to be reparsed when the text changes
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[20:05] inimino: JimBastard: I guess you should serve that debug interface over SSL, in a case where you care about the server?
[20:06] JimBastard: yeah that too
[20:06] JimBastard: SSL
[20:06] JimBastard: optionally
[20:06] JimBastard: by default
[20:06] inimino: ok
[20:06] inimino: was just thinking about authentication
[20:06] JimBastard: plaintext is OK for now
[20:07] inimino: if you assume end-to-end encryption in cases where people care, it makes it easier
[20:08] inimino: is there any kind of emerging standard for request/response filters?
[20:08] JimBastard: how you mean
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[20:09] inimino: I mean like in Apache or Java servlets you have filters which can sit between the HTTP server and request handlers
[20:10] JimBastard: that filter what
[20:10] inimino: filter the output to do gzipping, or filter requests and do logging
[20:10] atlithorn: hello, having problems getting node to run on os x... known problem? couldn't find anything on google groups
[20:11] JimBastard: ahhh
[20:11] JimBastard: i dont think so
[20:11] JimBastard: not sure
[20:11] JimBastard: middleware
[20:11] inimino: yeah, middleware
[20:12] inimino: or do authentication, by looking at request headers like Cookie: or Auth: and then adding some annotation on the request like 'this request is authenticated, username is ...'
[20:12] inimino: I guess that stuff will coalesce out of the JSGI-type stuff
[20:12] inimino: 
ACTION will worry about it later

[20:13] JimBastard: do server-side sessions at first i would think
[20:13] JimBastard: just have them post some creds and you build a fingerprint for them
[20:13] JimBastard: or something
[20:14] JimBastard: and give them a token 
[20:14] JimBastard: and an ID
[20:15] inimino: yeah
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[20:16] JimBastard: okay brb lunche
[20:16] JimBastard: then screencast and blog post
[20:16] JimBastard: and then more codings
[20:20] Biscuits: Hmmm
[20:21] Biscuits: Is there any nice syntax in Js to declare operator like things ?
[20:21] Biscuits: e.g. in haskell I can define new operators
[20:21] Biscuits: like the <|> which takes two parsers and combines them in an or fashion
[20:21] inimino: Biscuits: no, only functions
[20:21] Biscuits: in JS I can only thing of or(parser1,parser2) but that moves the operator to the left
[20:21] Biscuits: or possibly
[20:21] inimino: yes, that is the way
[20:21] Biscuits: combine(parser1,or,parser2)
[20:22] Biscuits: which does something like 
[20:22] Biscuits: combine(a,b,c,d,e) => x=b(a,c) y=d(x,e) return y
[20:22] inimino: combine(parser1,'or',parser2) ? 
[20:22] inimino: better just or(parser1,parser2)
[20:23] Biscuits: nah, I'd want to pass a function :p
[20:23] Biscuits: e.g. combine(a,b,c) would be equivalent to b(a,c)
[20:23] Biscuits: don't like string comparisons when not needed :p
[20:24] inimino: hehe, ok
[20:24] inimino: in that case, just or(a,c) then, would be clearer IMO
[20:24] inimino: unless you rename 'combine' 'infix' ;)
[20:25] inimino: ...trading a minor syntactic ugliness for a worse one
[20:38] inimino: Biscuits: you could also do something OO-style, like parser1.or(parser2)
[20:43] Biscuits: Yeah, but then I'd have to ensure all "parser" functions would have a certain prototype set
[20:44] inimino: yes
[20:44] inimino: but that's probably easy enough
[20:45] inimino: you'd just have some parser primitives and combinators and make sure they all return such objects
[20:45] inimino: Biscuits: did you see http://www.bluishcoder.co.nz/2007/10/javascript-parser-combinators.html
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[21:34] Biscuits: Hmmm, parser combinators, that's the chapter we're working in now :)
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[21:59] Atmoz: 
ACTION setter på suffle på musikksamlingen sin

[21:59] Atmoz: shuffle*
[21:59] Atmoz: Først ut er http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6G-8-KOJ9c
[22:02] ryah: is this spam?
[22:03] Atmoz: Oh, haha, wrong channel. Sorry
[22:03] aeosynth: are there any web hosts that support node.js, or would I have to host pages on my local machine?
[22:03] Wes-: ryah: caught 66% of your jsconf.eu presn today before a bunch of local crap blew up. Nice work!
[22:04] Atmoz: I was saying, by the way, that I activated shuffle on my old music collection. Sash was one of my good ol' favs. :-)
[22:04] Wes-: ryah: want to pick your brains re. event loop implementation at some point in the future; when are you generally around?
[22:06] ryah: Wes-: i'm on vacation at the moment, so not much for the next few days
[22:06] ryah: best to send me an email
[22:06] ryah: ry@tinyclouds.org
[22:08] Wes-: ryah: Thanks!  Your talk got a whole bunch of wheels turning.
[22:08] Wes-: ryah: BTW did you somehow make CommonJS require non-blocking?
[22:09] JimBastard: sup ryah, im working on a sweet debugger for node.js
[22:09] JimBastard: i forked node_debug, its looking good
[22:10] ryah: Wes-: require.async() is non-blocking
[22:11] ryah: JimBastard: really? tell me about it
[22:11] JimBastard: you wanna see a live demo?
[22:11] ryah: yes
[22:11] ryah: can it do breakpoints?
[22:11] JimBastard: k one sec
[22:12] JimBastard: not yet
[22:12] JimBastard: its very simple
[22:12] JimBastard: http://maraksquires.com:8080/
[22:13] JimBastard: i just have been polishing node_debug, im trying to figure out the most important features to add next
[22:13] ryah: so i was visiting the v8 people this week - we came up with lots of ideas for a web based debugger
[22:13] ryah: and profiler
[22:13] ryah: v8 has lots of support to profile 
[22:13] JimBastard: you see my messages to you?
[22:13] ryah: JimBastard: cool looks nice
[22:13] ryah: yeah
[22:14] JimBastard: check out Snippets
[22:14] JimBastard: thanks man
[22:14] JimBastard: it keeps history as well
[22:14] JimBastard: needs a login though...thats next
[22:14] JimBastard: i was gonna build a really simple session.js
[22:15] JimBastard: profiling is a good idea
[22:15] JimBastard: not sure how to get started on that or break points though
[22:16] JimBastard: is anyone else working on a debugger? id love to help
[22:17] ryah: cool. gtg. let's email about it. i'll tell you my ideas
[22:18] JimBastard: kk, ill be on mailing list
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[22:33] aeosynth_: would I have to use my local machine to host pages using node.js, or are there any web hosts that support it?
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[23:23] JimBastard: what you guys think, http://maraksquires.com/node_debug/
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[23:45] frodenius: JimBastard: awesome
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[23:47] JimBastard: you like?
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